The Marvels was released 2 years ago today.

The sequel to Captain Marvel and the TV series Ms. Marvel received mixed reviews and became the lowest-grossing MCU film.

What are your thoughts on the sequel today? Have they changed since then?

Commentaires

OxfordGate2025-11-09 16:35

I had a good time with this movie!

eBICgamer20102025-11-09 16:41

Not entirely related but I really hate the synergy that came with this movie. They really killed Ms. Marvel in Wells' ASM, resurrected her as a mutant and she never recovered.

To be fair, Marvel Comics needed to clean house and it's been clear for a while now. That being said the X-Office's mistreatment of Kamala is diabolical.

megamanjason2025-11-09 16:41

Never watched it, no hate, just don’t care

Burgoonius2025-11-09 16:54

If you like action - it’s really good in this one. Everything else is meh

dpaz472025-11-09 16:41

Good, enjoyable, fun and better than the first Captain Marvel movie in my opinion.

lm_goat482025-11-09 17:32

I think this is the perfect description. Fun movies are ok, not everything needs to be deep and add to the bigger picture

3n3quarter2025-11-09 16:42

I watched it when it hit D+. The power shifting fight scene was creative but the villain was very forgettable and also something we had seen before.

On the planet where everyone sings…Star Trek did a riff on that 30+ years ago and was a super memorable episode. (Darmok.) Here it doesn’t land as none of the characters are interacting with it. I wanted their fighting style to be based off of capoeira (you’ve seen it in Tekken with Eddy Gordo if you’ve seen it anywhere) to have a sort of song and dance vibe at least, and alas no.

MrHoboTwo2025-11-09 16:43

Other than Kamala Khan and her family there wasn’t anything I liked or even really remember about this movie

NrFive2025-11-09 16:46

Fight choreo was amazing. Also the scenes with Kamala feels so relatable as a fan :)

LegendaryOutlaw2025-11-09 19:36

I will absolutely stand by the 3-way switcheroo Marvels fight as one of the best fight sequences in the whole MCU. So clever, well choreographed and just fun.

NrFive2025-11-09 19:47

Rewatched it just again, that way they swing the hammer around and hit Dar-Benn \*chef's kiss\*

RoiVampire2025-11-09 16:47

This was so fun on the big screen. Beastie Boys blaring out of theater speakers. Pure joy. The fight scenes were wild. Loved it and I’ve watched it twice since

JEC27192025-11-09 16:48

You can just tell this one got screwed by the strikes.

a_o2025-11-09 16:51

Promotionally, for sure.

the film was pushed back to autumn 2023 from its earlier release date that Quantumania took. Should’ve been pushed to spring 2024 when the SAG strike started.

JEC27192025-11-09 16:52

Not just lack of promotion, but the writers and actors being barred from being involved meant they couldn’t do the last-minute reshoots either. A telltale sign is all the ADR, you can’t unnotice when something important is being said by a character, but the character is not on screen

a_o2025-11-09 16:57

Well, yeah, the actors doing the bulk of the promotion would’ve been ideal, and that didn’t happen.

ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-09 17:45

Promotionally, I‘d argue it didn’t make much of a difference. The strikes only kept the actors from promoting the films, and actor promotion don’t impact Box Office numbers significantly.

Endgam2025-11-09 17:48

Bullshit. All the other films affected by the strike had similar performances while the Hunger Games film unaffected by the strike did much better.

ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-09 17:54

No, that‘s bullshit. The Hunger Games prequel’s Box Office numbers were in the 300 million range, *Five Nights at Freddy’s* made nearly 300 million at the Box Office, while *The Marvels* barely made 200 million.

MunsterMonch2025-11-09 18:11

Except FNAF has a ravenous online fanbase across a wide spectrum of ages that would absolutely eat that shit up no matter what it was.

Don't get me wrong Marvel also had a ravenous shit eating fanbase a few years prior to this but it was out of that phase at this point.

Being honest, I've seen neither of these films so can't comment on their quality per se but I don't think it's comparable. The closest is possibly DC's Blue Beetle which did, from memory, less than 100 million.

If Minecraft, for instance, had released during a writer's strike it still would've done well because of the property involved.

ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-09 18:31

>Don't get me wrong Marvel also had a ravenous shit eating fanbase a few years prior to this but it was out of that phase at this point.

That’s what I think the main the issue was - the general audience just wasn’t interested in watching the film.

Herogeen2025-11-09 17:16

Or it's just a boring movie with boring ideas and boring characters.

JEC27192025-11-09 17:26

It’s wild that we can say a movie with three superpowered beings accidentally swapping powers going on a space adventure would be boring

pedroktp2025-11-09 17:33

It's all about how you execute those ideas

Fawqueue2025-11-09 17:44

This is the answer.

jakelaws19872025-11-09 17:19

The movie was never going to be successful especially when none of the characters are particularly popular

JEC27192025-11-09 17:22

Marvel has made plenty of successes out of characters that were unknown or weren’t popular. But that could’ve been alleviated if the movie was good. Probably not a billion success of the first Captain Marvel, but certainly not lowest grossing of MCU history

ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-09 17:37

>Marvel has made plenty of successes out of characters that were unknown or weren’t popular.

I’m sure that isn’t what he’s referring to.

beanlikescoffee2025-11-09 18:09

Lmao you guys are really sticking to this story for The Marvels failures.

It’s one of the worst bombs of all time.

OnlyOneBT2025-11-09 16:49

This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

irregardlessbro2025-11-09 16:49

I haven't watched it, I just had no interest.

krisnewface2025-11-09 16:49

I really should watch this

ZackaryAsAlways2025-11-09 16:49

Good OTHER than having the most forgettable villain in Marvel

Andrew1990M2025-11-09 17:06

I was about to correct you and suggest Maliketh, but the fact I remember his name puts him above the villain here.

Still think it’s an underrated movie, better than the first.

AmaterasuWolf212025-11-09 19:35

Yeah, Malekith is remembered as the one who we forget about, the girl from this movie is not remembered at all

shreyas_varad2025-11-09 17:16

I feel like that's mostly due to the fact that MCU villains in general have been very well written (yes, even true for a lot of phase 4), so while Dar Benn isnt as good comparatively, she's still not rlly that bad.

pedroktp2025-11-09 17:35

I feel.like most mcu movies have badly written villains

Endgam2025-11-09 17:50

This. People forget how only Red Skull and Loki were considered good villains before Phase 3.

JonTheWonton2025-11-09 19:29

Yeah I still think taskmaster was worse

Smooth-Mix-43572025-11-09 18:55

There were articles coming out about MCU's villain problem during infinity saga

shreyas_varad2025-11-09 18:56

Some articles are just written opinions.

Smooth-Mix-43572025-11-09 19:07

Before Thanos there were very few memorable villains except a few like Loki

shreyas_varad2025-11-09 19:17

Ultron, Alexander Pierce, Yellowjacket, The Winter Soldier, Hela, Zemo, Ronan The Acuser, Ego, Red Skull

Need I go on?

Edit: I'm just adding names from phase 3 as they come to my mind. pretty sure I've got all the big names.

Smooth-Mix-43572025-11-09 19:18

Agree with Winter Soldier, Hela and Zemo. Disagree with others.

FPSGamer482025-11-09 20:05

Ronan and Yellowjacket weren’t written well, let’s not kid ourselves.

jsnxander2025-11-09 17:36

Every once in a while, Marvel embers that the villain is just as important as the hero. They didn't remember that for this movie.

Endgam2025-11-09 17:51

A boring Kree villain for a team based movie worked before.

clownysf2025-11-09 18:17

Funny - I enjoyed this movie and can’t remember for the life of me who the villain was

Tezzinator2025-11-09 16:50

Didn't care for it. Happy for those that liked it, but to me, this is a bottom tier Marvel movie.

NoobFreakT2025-11-09 16:51

Glad it flopped, was such a mediocre movie

Variation_Afraid2025-11-09 17:08

Alright you do know if one movie flops is bad for the industry right?, even if you hate a movie you should never want it to flop, that’s just moronic mentality

Herogeen2025-11-09 17:13

Bad movies should flop so studios know what kind of movies they shouldn't make.

Variation_Afraid2025-11-09 17:16

This isn’t a bad movie though… lmao go watch kraven that’s a bad movie, and even then I didn’t want it to flop and btw marvel has never been reactionary, that is why they are the most successful cinematic franchise of all time

Herogeen2025-11-09 17:21

Really? That's why Marvel didn't bring back the directors of the first Captain Marvel film for the sequel and made it a full-on team-up instead of focusing on Captain Marvel?

Variation_Afraid2025-11-09 17:24

Maybe because they wanted to make it a team up film…, and btw even if they brought that director back, who’s to say it wouldn’t have been a team up film anyway?

Herogeen2025-11-09 17:36

They even removed her name from the title and just called it The Marvels. Marvel never does that with truly successful characters. The third Cap film featured almost the entire Avengers, but they didn't remove his name from the title.

It seems that Marvel simply didn't believe that Captain Marvel herself couldn't bring much to the table, so they decided to seriously try to promote her sequel as a team-up and bring other characters into the film as the main characters. It even makes sense because even before fans had a full opinion of her after her first movie and Endgame, they wanted to make her one of the main faces of the MCU after Cap and Tony, but now they do almost nothing with her

Variation_Afraid2025-11-09 17:40

Non of that is true btw and it’s called the marvels, because it’s the name of all 3 of them as a team…, it’s really simple to understand and that name was also used in the comics

Herogeen2025-11-09 17:47

Nobody even calls them that throughout the entire film. They didn't have any common team name, they just worked together and that's it, like Steve, Sam and Natasha in The Winter Soldier or Thor, Hulk, Loki and Valkyrie in Ragnarok

Variation_Afraid2025-11-09 17:42

And btw people till this day debate whether civil war should have been called Avengers 2.0, or something like that

Herogeen2025-11-09 17:50

So? But it's still called CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR. It's a fact. Marvel didn't try to pretend that it wasn't actually his 3rd movie.

Swing-Full2025-11-09 16:53

I thought it was a lot of fun, but you can tell where the editing chopped it up. The Villain was really flat as well, Malekith 2.0

Kamala was easily the star of the whole movie, she was excellent

I'd have taken Kamala's family out of the movie and given their screen time to the develop the Villain more

I liked the Space Cats as well. Just the whole horror movie idea of the voice telling them to let the Cats eat them and everyone running afraid

Burgoonius2025-11-09 16:53

Fight scenes and action are definitely my favourite part of this movie - still overall a weak film IMO

BroeknRecrds2025-11-09 16:53

This one didn't deserve to flop. It was a fun movie

shreyas_varad2025-11-09 17:19

thankfully its the only MCU movie to have done so.

RowdyEast2025-11-09 16:54

These anniversary posts are awful

hell20_2025-11-09 19:36

The comments in these posts are filled with people teaming up to downvote each other

inthehxightse2025-11-09 16:58

Hope we get to see Teyonah in another marvel project soon

sjeiwgs2025-11-09 17:25

Isn’t she going to be in Doomsday? Ik she’s not confirmed yet but there is no way she isn’t.

AppropriatePurple6092025-11-09 17:02

This was a terrible a year to be marvel fan. A pretty good getting ripped to shreds and flopping at the box office made it comfortable for everyone to say the mcu is dead (it isn't)

Current-Channel-46352025-11-09 17:15

As someone who actually enjoyed the Marvels, I‘d say 2023 was definitely one of Marvel‘s more mixed years. On one hand, we got Loki Season 2 and GOTG 3 but on the other we also got Secret Invasion & Quantumania.

CaptHayfever2025-11-09 19:12

I would love to see a world where The Marvels came out *before* Secret Invasion & Quantumania.

shreyas_varad2025-11-09 17:18

grifters are beginning to have more and more of an influence, and not just in the movie critics landscape. people are beginning to believe anti-vaxxers over doctors who still have their licenses. the world in general is just breaking down epistemologically. and part of that, is the fact that people are leveraging this hate-train against the MCU for clicks and views.

CaptHayfever2025-11-09 19:13

Amen to that.

ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-09 17:49

It does seem like interest in the 616 MCU has waned though.

eBICgamer20102025-11-09 17:55

If it wasn't for Thunderbolts the only thing left I'm watching in the MCU would be Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and that's because it's a self-contained AU story walled from the rest of the franchise, and because it's Spider-Man (and Spider-Gwen too).

Ragnarok_6192025-11-09 19:22

By pretty good movie, you mean the Marvels? Do you really believe the audience failed the movie?

Herogeen2025-11-09 17:02

Marvel should have made a movie about Steve Rogers returning the Infinity Stones instead of The Marvels. This movie does absolutely nothing to improve Captain Marvel as a character, she remains just as boring and overpowered as she was before. Ms. Marvel is just an annoying, yapping teenager who, like the rest of the main characters, never develops for the better. Monica is just nothing burger.

What surprises me is that there are far more people who defend this film on the internet than those who actually went to see it in theaters.

CaptHayfever2025-11-09 19:15

> Marvel should have made a movie about Steve Rogers returning the Infinity Stones

That is a 10-minute-short story, not a feature-film story.

roku94132025-11-09 17:03

I liked it more than the first cap marvel but it’s still riddled with problems. Kamala no surprise is the standout.

cap12062025-11-09 17:05

I enjoyed it, but never need to see it again. The chemistry between the 3 leads was great, the fights were fun, and I loved the Flerkin kittens eating the whole crew!

The problem I had was that, while they had some good ideas, there were a couple big ones that didn't go far enough.

-The musical planet was a fun idea, but everyone should have been forced to sing, even the villain.

-the villain was taking resources from planets friendly to Carol, but we never really felt the consequences beyond that one mass evacuation.

-and we had the standard Forgettable Marvel Villain™ that's been an ongoing issue since Ronan in GOTG

JANTlvr2025-11-09 17:06

It is a not-good movie that is also overhated.

ChildofObama2025-11-09 17:08

It’s a solid movie. Disney killed it releasing it during the strikes. Should’ve delayed it to Spring 2024.

karafuto2025-11-09 17:08

Good, not great, movie with a bad trailer

bchec2025-11-09 17:08

If you just look at it as a comedy with a little heart, I honestly don’t think it’s a bad movie. It’s still less cringey than Quantumania.

Soggy-University-5242025-11-09 17:11

I love strong women, I love incorporating more female stories into the MCU, and I really like these characters separately. But this movie is not great imo.

I hope Carol and Monica appear in Doomsday and they can give that plot some actual justice and decent writing because I feel like they have struggled with it so far.

balthazar_edison2025-11-09 17:13

I felt that they just cut way too much and the movie would have been a lot better if they didn’t cut so much.

CaptHayfever2025-11-09 19:14

Yep, another 10-15 minutes would've really let the story beats breathe better. Editing is the one complaint I have about this film.

Ivan_Redditor2025-11-09 17:14

This movies was fun as hell

jakelaws19872025-11-09 17:18

And it flopped miserably two years ago today

GetReady4Action2025-11-09 17:18

It was fine, but I also think this sub hypes it a bit too much. In terms of the MCU this one is definitely towards the bottom-middle of my list. Beast cameo at the end was hype though.

dandaman642025-11-09 17:20

The only thing I remember about this movie was getting a little chuckle out of Carol saying "he's bilingual" when the singing planet's prince just started speaking in normal English

Also Carol's suit in the last act is cool

Other than that, this can be thrown on the pile with a bunch of other 5/10 MCU movies

jdlyga2025-11-09 17:22

Feels like 10 years ago.

ComprehensiveYam51062025-11-09 17:24

Aside from the singing planet it was a fun romp!

skidmarx772025-11-09 17:24

I honestly forgot this existed. Hope to get more Ms. Marvel in the future, she was excellent, but other than that, this movie is pretty forgettable.

drst0ner2025-11-09 19:46

I agree that “forgettable” is the best way to describe this movie. I can’t remember who the villain was or how the movie ended.

TheGhostrunner212025-11-09 17:32

The only marvel movie that I haven't seen and have no intention of seeing.

Skyless_M00N2025-11-09 17:37

And nobody knew or cared about the lady on the right

Unknownuser192832025-11-09 17:40

🗑️

Buhos_En_Pantelones2025-11-09 17:41

I've seen it and all I remember is jump rope and singing planet. I think other things happened but I'm not sure. Oh, Beast was in it.

TheRealLG092025-11-09 18:00

I thought this movie was great. Super fun and funny. It gets to much unwarranted hate. Iman Vellani really needs to be in more projects, and I can’t wait to see what happens with Monica.

TheRealPallando2025-11-09 18:02

And queue the definitely-not-Incel brigading in 3...2...1...

CaptHayfever2025-11-09 19:16

Every single thread about this movie.

ChilliWithFries2025-11-09 18:14

I liked the rapport of the three leads but also felt it was a misplaced adventure considering we should get to know Captain Marvel and defining her more first before introducing others.

Same issue I had with Dr Strange where it was half a Wanda sequel.

It also has the most generic villain ever and I still don’t remember her name in the movie and probably never will.

Fawqueue2025-11-09 18:20

My thoughts are the same as they were two years ago. A flawed movie with weak writing, terrible editing, one of the worst villains in the franchise, and is utterly forgettable. There's a reason it is still the MCU's biggest box office failure.

Margaritajoe4202025-11-09 18:23

I turned it off when they got to the dancing planet, was beyond cringe

UltimateArtist8292025-11-09 18:30

No offense to those who liked it, but this whole movie just screams straight to streaming Disney+ movie to me.

factualopinion22025-11-09 18:40

It was an underwhelming birthday movie but I loved the ms marvel scenes

R4cco0n2025-11-09 18:42

Wonderful film. I just watched it again. I really enjoyed it.

Vaqueroparate2025-11-09 18:58

Wouldn't know

urbalcloud2025-11-09 18:59

This movie is a blast. And at least Dar-Ben looked cool. 🤷‍♀️

Jajaloo2025-11-09 19:00

Cast me in the Defenders, because I love this movie and won’t hear a bad word against it.

I get Nia’s frustrations, but creative directors wanting to step into the Marvel machine and then are “shocked” they don’t have 100% creative freedom will never not be wild to me.

Ragnarok_6192025-11-09 19:20

One of the worst movies in MCU history. The whiplash is still felt in general consensus and box office

Leowolf162025-11-09 19:21

I’m aware this will be an unpopular opinion but honestly it’s probably the most fun I’ve had watching a Marvel movie

Radiant-Teach91982025-11-09 19:24

A sad day, indeed

tmet10272025-11-09 19:26

Only thing that matters in this movie is the post credit scene.

Wild_Voice_27692025-11-09 19:28

Black girl Magic!!

Mediocre-Ad25112025-11-09 19:30

It’s not bad, not great, but still okay. But I think the main problem is that it’s very forgettable

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ConnorRoseSaiyan012025-11-09 19:42

Whole thing felt like a D+ special than an actual movie. Really did not care of anything in this one