Hey, these are good series (at least 7 or 6/10 and you should give them a second chance

Idk bout she hulk but echo and iron heart were pretty fire

Echo is the worst Disney+ show by far
She hulk is a good show 7/10
Iron heart is a good show 7/10 6/10 for the tony stark remarks

For me, Echo was fine. Some people won’t like the ending, but it was ok.

Ironheart was definitely better than expected. Totally legit. This is a must watch for sure.

I liked She-Hulk. It was different. The comedic aspect for was great. Plus, it gave us Wongers and Madisynn. We need more of them.

She Hulk was pretty good. Iron Heart is underrated. Echo is just unnecessary

I liked them all.

I love Echo because you can tell there was actual substance behind the story, all the costumes, the set design, everything was created with great detail to really convey who this new character is and where she comes from. By the end, it was genuinely my favorite Disney+ show, despite being so short.

Haven’t seen any of the three but might watch echo just for Kingpin and the singular scene of Daredevil

None of them are a waste of your time.

Echo was good. I just didn't like giving her spirit native powers that didn't echo her opponent

Echos ending was pretty butchered. I enjoyed the cast in that show though. 


Iron heart kind of the opposite. Riri is good but all the villains were kinda goofy. I did like how that show ended though.


She hulk is WAY too hated on. Theres a couple episodes mid season that drag a bit but man the last episode is one of my favorite things in the mcu 🤣

I enjoyed the shit out of all of them.

Echo was a really good show, at least in my opinion. It had a lot more heart, and emphasis on spirit and how your past defines you. It might never get a second season, but what we did get was tremendous.

Ironheart has a LOT of narrative issues, and doesn't seem to understand the source material at all. Mephisto is amazing, and the casting was on point. However, the protagonist being like, "You think Tony Stark would be Iron Man if he wasn't a billionaire?" immediately brought back the line from his first supervillain, "Tony Stark built this in a cave! With some scrap!"

She Hulk was a little too meta for some people, and I get that. But beyond the fourth wall breaks and the wacky ending, the scenes were all very strong. The Daredevil episode alone should of cemented this series forever. And Wong and Madisynn!? You kidding me? Chef's kiss!

The one that deserves a sequel beyond all others, though: Moon Knight. That show hit its stride really well, and super compelling to boot.

i wish you were right but only she hulk is even half decent here
and even then look at what they did to my girl titania and mr immortal

Echo was a little hit or miss for me.

I had a really good time with She Hulk.

I’ve only seen the first two episodes of Ironheart but thought it was really good. I need to pick it back up.

Yes I love all of them

I enjoyed all three. Admittedly Echo was a bit mixed for me, but ultimately I did enjoy it. I totally get why some people didn't like She Hulk, but personally I went in knowing it was going to be ridiculous and I love Tatiana Maslany so of the three it is probably my favorite.

I very much enjoyed She-Hulk. It was a lot of fun! And Ironheart had a lot of good points, even if overall it was pretty meh

I've yet to bother with Echo. I wasn't particularly enthralled by her in Hawkeye, and I've yet to hear anything about her show which makes it a necessary watch

Big agree on all three.

I really enjoyed Echo in much the same way i loved Ms Marvel. I just adore those deep dives into subcultures of the US and abroad and seeing a whole nother world sitting right inside the one i live in. It was also pretty funny and i liked Maya a lot more in her show than i did on Daredevil, though i agree with everyone else that the end was super meh. When everyone started powering up i initially thought it was super cool and that her power was the ability to ‘echo’ her powers temporarily onto those surrounding her to assist when she needed but it was just some generic all her people have this random power instead. Oh well.

She-Hulk i found hysterical and was one of my favorite shows in the MCU. I loved the twist they did with the ‘villain’ of the show being the toxic portion of the fanbase that they knew were going to shit on the show no matter what. Was a clever idea, imo. And i am a sucker for fourth-wall breaking comedy, sue me.

Didnt watch Ironheart or have an interest in it, maybe one day idk but i dont follow the MCU as much anymore so eh.

ironheart doesnt deserve to be lumped in with the other two imo. it was pretty good. The other two i have to disagree with you on

Echo was not good. She Hulk was ok. Havent watched the last one.

She hulk was weird to me bcs it has no real plotline if u know what i mean but i liked her character
I did not like the echo series at all imo it was the worst series besides secret invasion
But i loved ironheart it made me like her character way more then before

"From Executive Producer... " Is best tagline you can give ironheart?

She hulk sucked.

Strong disagree.

She Hulk was actually very enjoyable if you are someone who can understand how it was made and the message or whatever lmao. The episode with DD was the best and the last episode was absolutely terrible. IronHeart wasn’t bad either, it told the story well but I think suffered from it being a short show and people not wanting it to succeed from the start


With Echo, the problems are everywhere, production writing and even the main actress, no offense I’m not trying to be mean or dig at her but to be a deaf and unable to show her emotions like normal people I imagined very exaggerated facial reactions and stuff like that. It would have made the show much more interesting and showed what level of an actor she was but her face just didn’t change the whole time idk, it was unnoticeable and felt like it could have brought a lot to the show if they would have focused on something like that

What is a 10/10 to you? Cause for me, those are at best half as good as my 10/10s

They are actually three of the very best Marvel shows and deserve so much more love and acclaim.

Yall know things are allowed to be bad right? Echo was a 5/10 at BEST and she hulk is genuinely one of the worst things the mcu has made. Iron Heart is fine, better than I expected.

No, those are not good series. All three suffer from terrible pacing, dialogue, and story. If the CW had made Marvel shows rather than DC, these are exactly the kinds of stuff I would expect to see.

Ironheart 8.5

She Hulk 7.2

Echo 6.8


She Hulk was an actually good show. It wasn't what people who already weren't fans of She-Hulk wanted, but screw those people. The pacing in the last episode was a little jarring, but that's the only legit criticism I've heard of it that didn't break down to just not liking women.

Echo, I couldn't get past episode 3. I like the premise fine, I don't even mind rehashing Kingpin. But nothing grabbed me and it just felt emotionally flat. I didn't connect with or get any kind of emotional understanding of the protagonist. The plot was dry and slow. The dialogue was mid at best.

I wanted to like Echo, it just put me to sleep.

Iron Heart was another one that just wasn't crafted well. It didn't give me much understanding of where Riri was coming from or why she was doing what she was doing. The other characters felt very flat. The highpoint was her AI, it was the only part of the plot I even remotely cared about. Actors were fine, but the storytelling and characterisations were very mid.

Also was incredibly frustrated with the scifi angle. The arc reactor is what allows the suit to work because it has an immense power output. Riris suit ran on solar and wind? That doesn't solve the issue at all, and when we see it charging up it has tiny fans and solar panels open at night as it was expending power hovering in the air.

I am happy to have Riri as the successor to Tony, I was hoping it would be a good show, but it felt like a very middling effort by people who didn't care enough to think about what they were doing.

Marvel is great when it's made by people who care and are excited about the source material, people who understand what about superhero stories draw us in and what is engaging about the world building fantasy and scifi elements.

I'm a superhero fan, I will watch bad superhero movies/shows and still enjoy them. Almost all of my favorite superheroes are women. If your superhero media puts me to sleep or I just can't invest enough to care about watching the next episode, it failed in a big way.

Echo is mid and the ending js horrible. Iron heart is trash outside the last episode.

She Hulk is easily one of the best series and its very telling of the average intelligence of MCU fans with how many people dont get it.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I can't agree or disagree since I haven't seen "Echo" or 'iron Heart' and I don't remember much about She-Hulk besides Charlie Cox and also Madisynn-and-Wongers. What really hurt that show wasn't the backlash so much as the fact that it was a supposed to be a single female lawyer comedy show written by people who had never written comedy or for legal shows. I mean, they were proud of that fact and trumpeted it to anyone who would listen. As such, the show rose and fell with the quality of the guest stars.

I didn't like Echo in "Hawkeye" so I have no urge to see that show, but perhaps I'll give Iron Heart a try.


Echo was mostly great and I feel like there should be a director's cut. There was too much studio interference and the pacing was thrown off by them cutting it down to 5 episodes. As a fan of Reservation Dogs I wish they'd given more screen time to Dallad Goldtooth and Devory Jacobs. Alaqua Cox killed it and it was nice to see so much Native American representation, especially with how involved the Choctaw Nation was in production.

I loved Ironheart and She Hulk. I think some fans just like to misinterpret things so they can be mad about something.

Only seen echo and she hulk. She hulk I thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish.

Echo I was so bored I gave up midway through ep 3 I believe.

Echo and Ironheart are 6.2/10 for me or around there. She-Hulk is my least favorite mcu project to date. Characters and actors were fine. Writing was horrible. The only reason I like Secret Invasion slightly more (I know what people are thinking) is genre only. Both have horrible writing.

Bro you really think if you scream it enough it will become correct?

At least you said 7 or 6 instead of the other way around! Sorry saying it how the text says it

First two, no, Ironheart, I was going to say yeah until they brought Sacha Cohen who is a Zionist btw, into it. If I had a nickel for everytime Disney shoehorns a Zionist actor in a black lead project, I'd have two which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

She Hulk was alright, Ironheart might be the best of these three, liked the tone of it.
Echo by the other hand, really liked most of it but the ending ruined everything for me (still can't deny that the rest was pretty cool).

Nah, I’m good. I’ve already a huge backlog of "TV show I want/need to watch" waiting for me. Outside of the Daredevil episode from **She-Hulk** that I revisit from time to time, none of these are really worth a second look.

All of the Marvel Studios live action TV shows, except for **WandaVision** and **Loki** maybe, have been ranging from mid/forgettable to really bad.

There is so much more interresting and way better written TV series out there (including shows from the old Marvel Television regime) that it feels like a waste of time to revisit those ones.

**Hawkeye** is my guilty pleasure.

It’s probably the show I revisited the most, mainly because I’m a fan of Clint & Kate from the comics and they kinda are my comfort characters, but I’m not gonna pretend that it’s a good show because, well... it’s not (and I REALLY wish it was).

We have to be honest about the lack of quality from all the shows Marvel has been putting out there recently. Even if we enjoy them, somehow.

I still looking forward to the next MCU TV projects, hoping for an improvement in quality now that they’ve finally started hiring experienced showrunners instead of overworked and underpaid screenwriters promoted to showrunner for the first time in their lives on a big budget and high profile "Marvel TV show".

I don't care for Echo, sorry


No they aint

Marvel didn’t even give Echo a chance they just released the whole thing and honestly it’s my second favorite marvel show

I thought She Hulk was a solid representation of the character and the comics, but not necessarily a good “show.” I hated Echo. It felt like it was just a filler for a better show they wanted to make. Everything takes so long and no one says anything until they’re asked 3 times. It’s boring. I didn’t get to Iron Heart before cancelling D+ so I don’t have an opinion there.

Echo was extremely average, I love she hulk!!! And Ironheart was fun i didn’t think I’d like it.

I couldn’t sit through Echo or Secret Invasion. I gave up midway. She hulk I regret finishing it. Iron Heart I’m not going to start because I don’t care about the main character. I don’t think we need another Wakanda character. We already have Shuri/Black Panther

Yup! All good to great stuff here.

Iron heart is a goated show (anyone who says otherwise hasn't watched it and thinks that iron man was always the most important marvel character and replacing him with a successor that is basically him but younger and female is a war crime)

Ironheart is especially good. I really love the second half a lot and how it ended. Excited for how her story will be built on in the MCU.

She-Hulk is fun. I enjoyed it a lot. My only criticism is I wish there were more courtroom one-offs involving superpowered people. Those were my favorite episodes. The Wong episode and the Daredevil episode had a great balance between the courtroom and superhero stories.

I enjoyed Echo. It truly is a unique show with its focus around sign language. The fighting choreography is really good. I think the main issue is the action felt few and far between.

Echo was awful. It is the worst thing Marvel has made barring Secret Invasion. The first episode is basically a clip show and the rest is just aimless

She Hulk is brilliant. Echo started decent then became a boring mess. Not watched Iron Heart yet.

Echo was as good as I expected it to be, no more, no less.

Ironheart surprised me. I really didn’t like Riri in Wakanda Forever but this shiw changed my mind, and I really liked the whole “magic vs machines” theme.

I didn’t like She-Hulk. Very anticlimactic. And the cgi just wasn’t there. But hey we did introduced to Frog & Skaar, as well as Daredevil & Abomination cameos.

Nah

No they are not and no you don’t get to tell me what I should do with my time.

Enjoy what you enjoy but leave me out of it

Don’t tell me what to do.

For me:

Echo 7/10 - enjoyed the character and the journey it had, it needed a bit more to be great.

She-Hulk 5.5/10 - the main character was really good, liked the humour, but the overall writing was just not for me, felt like there were multiple characters that were just not needed in the series, all filler and no substance.

Ironheart 2/10 - I did not really like that show. Only saving grace I found was the Mephisto character.

Echo: 6.5 this one is actually OK but they had no idea how to finish the story. I guess we’ll never see her again.

She Hulk: 5.5 Less than one good joke / episode. No story at all. Bad CGI.

Ironheart: 5.2 The drag queen type character is the least cringe and most human like and that tells you everything you need to know about the cast and the characters. There are no real humans in this show if you are not a west coast type of person. SBC only has a few minutes in the show but when he is there, it’s really obvious how bad the acting was before. He is just much better than everyone else. The CGI is really good compared to the other shows.

I enjoyed Echo slightly more than I thought I would.

I enjoyed Ironheart slightly less than I thought I would.

I place SheHulk just above Secret Invasion as the worst thing Marvel has released.

Over my dead body

Ironheart is the best of the three. She Hulk for the comedy

Some of my favourites, specially She-Hulk and Ironheart, but I really enjoyed watching Echo again as much as the first time recently.

Counterpoint. In today's world of infinite entertainment options a 6 out of 10 just isn't good enough to be worth most peoples time. Sad but true.

6/10 is a positive score?

Completely subjective . Haven’t watched Echo so can’t speak on that show but for me the She Hulk show was terrible.

She hulk was amazing and I enjoyed her as a character and her portrayal but the actual show was bad and the entire events in the show is meaningless because every storyline never leads anywhere because the show runners tried to hide their bad writing with that 4th wall break ending. It was a bad show and had no real conclusion in my opinion.

Iron Heart is fine. It was not bad but not terrible. Unfortunately I was not interested at all in RiRi so I don’t care what she does. The concept of mixing magic and technology was cool and kinda unique and how it’s displayed in the show is awesome. The show just for some reason felt like there was so much sauce and care put but then it feels like the creators lost interest in it in the middle of making it.

Completely subjective off course just my opinion

I give the three of them together a 1. Not Marvel’s best work.

We’ve got the goddamn he-man woman haters in the replies🫩

Yes, absolutely.

She hulk did not deserve it, it was a great show and it was nice to see a "sitcom like" show in the MCU, the only problem with the show honestly was the cgi but having a show where the main character is cgi was bound to look a bit iffy but nevertheless the show was good, loved the actress as she hulk and I think I'm one of the only ones that love the daredevil suit.

She hulk wasn’t bad at all, iron heart was awful. I’m only one episode into Echo and it could be good.

Gotta love ragebaiters


Echo absolutely not, it's the only movie/show that made me sleep

Echo was not good. She-Hulk was quite good. Iron Heart was between the two

I loved She-Hulk.

echo and she hulk I thought were awful and I haven’t seen ironheart, projects like these has really made me apathetic towards a lot of what’s happening in the mcu now

She Hulk is funny and silly, worked great as something to play while I worked.

Ironheart it's enjoyable if not 10/10, it was engaging.

Echo I found just boring and couldn't keep up with needing subs so often (I have visual impairment myself and subs are more of a backup if I misheard something).

Echo was ok, but extremely disappointing as someone deeply involved with native culture. I thought the ending storylines felt weirdly out of place and rushed. theres also lots of small character problems that add up to a feeling of mcu “adjacentness” as in it feels like an unofficial mcu show by the end.

Ironheart is bad. it is badly written. the characters are all extremely lacking in depth and nuance. theres black pandering everywhere and none of it feels real or raw or even interesting. the ending is absolutely abysmal. the overall themes and messages presented are ridiculous. I could a write a paper each on the underlying messages behind both the deal with the devil and the AI resurrection. the thing is it could have been great. theres a great story and complex character focused narrative buried deep under horrible writing and decisions that resulted in this abomination. I will say this; it is OVERLY HATED because of certain general bigoted ideas of criticism. but it is bad!

she hulk is the one that I agree with you the most on. I thought they delivered a fresh experience that felt both unique but also connected to the mcu on a level that pushed the overall narrative. it was funny as hell imo and just weird enough to carve its own lane. I reall think they have something special with the cast and crew of this one. I can respect that its not for everyone, but walking away with anything less than a 6/10 is insane to me. it is by far the best written “bad mcu show” and had (has???) the potential to be a cornerstone of phases 4-6 if theyd put faith into it.

Some of the worst stuff in the MCU imo


Echo 6.5/10
Ironheart 5.9/10
She-Hulk 5/10

One watch is enough.
The Netflix marvel work was so good that it got me to re watch even iron fist and defenders.
These 3 Disney mcu series were just alright.

Iron Heart was good, it kept the pace well, and the final reveal makes me wanna see more of this story.

But she hulk and Echo are forgettable. I don't even remember the plot to both of them now. She hulk could be a comedy show or something, but I don't see how Echo's story connects into the main story.

Marvel ( comics to films) uses fiction to embrace reality.

And have always been smart enough to cover all the people and situations in the world.

Young to old. Geographically. Etc.

End a boss battle with words vs a punch.


That’s why they’re the best at what they do.

All 3 were good to great.

Rewatch value is high with the MCU I just rewatched Moon Knight since it came out.

I enjoyed it more the second time and clearly see that I liked the first 2 episodes, I really liked the last 2 it’s the middle 2 that have me underrating it.

That’s pretty much the pattern of storytelling the middle is the least interesting part most of the time.

I'm sorry, but a 6/10 is not worth my time, especially not a TV show that requires multiple hours. Just because it's not bad doesn't mean it's worth watching.

I see that you left out Secret Invasion. I don't blame you.


Only seen she hulk and it was okay that's all I got.

It’s interesting that all three have female leads. Just observing. I liked all three. She Hulk was my favorite, but I like characters breaking the 4th wall. Echo had the most grounded story to me. And anything with Kingpin is dope. Ironheart is dope, but I feel like they deliberately nerfed her character which did lead to character development, but I would have liked to see her kick more ass.

they hate when is a woman main character....

i just finished Echo the other night and i was *very* impressed with it. the series felt like a breath of fresh air for the MCU. i’ve been rewatching everything in order and that was one i hadn’t seen yet that i was really looking forward to.

I loved She-Hulk. Haven’t seen the other 2 yet but I plan on it eventually

echo wasnt the best but it wasnt terrible and did have a nice setup to daredevil born again, only issue i have with it is it was a character i didnt care too much about in hawkeye and still didnt care a ton about.

ironheart i enjoyed, but that ending was a bit too vague for me. otherwise, loved it

she hulk. she hulk was. . . okay. if you ignore all the cringy weird meme stuff they put it, it was okay. but they really, and i mean REALLY lost me halfway through the final episode

Bro snuck in she hulk


Echo is just ok, not good not bad, just a good one time watch.

Ironheart is good, it doesn't deserve the hate it's getting and Mephisto in the end is clearly a surprise.

She Hulk sucks. Only thing good in the show is the cameo of Hulk and Daredevil.

As a MCU fan, i watched all these without any second thought. And i dont even regret it. Coz, i am someone who have even watched all the filler episodes of arrowverse without any complaint.

Said that, remove the connections from MCU and introduce these as some standalone shows, these shows are outright unbearable and waste of time to watch.

Ironheart is a cool show, Echo was boring as hell and She Hulk is forever a terrible show in every way.


the finale of echo where the grandma had power ranger powers was corny af, series was lit tho, hawkeye was far better tho setting it up lmao

6/10 isn't good. It's mediocre. 5.5/10 is dead center of a 1-10 scale. So 6 is just half a point above absolute mid. And while I think 6/10 might still be worth watching it under some circumstances (like if it's a plot integral component of a series, like Marvel stuff sometimes is), the reality is that in a world of streaming with literally hundreds of thousands (maybe even millions) of TV shows and movies that exist across the globe, it's hard to get excited for something that I'm being told outright is a 6/10 when there are more 8/9/10 out of 10 shows/movies than I could ever watch in a lifetime and many of them are just a click away at a moment's notice.

That being said, I think She-Hulk is better than that. I think it's more like an 8/10 and it's a lot of fun. It's also very short and easy to get through. I'd watch the other two and I intend to eventually, I'm just talking some time away from Disney+ for a while to save money. I'll go back to it when there's more to watch that I'm interested in.

Point being, my comment isn't specifically being lobbed at these shows and calling them bad. Just saying in general that if you want to entice someone to watch something, telling them it would earn a D- in the classroom isn't encouraging!

The people OP is trying to convince never gave these projects a first chance.

No these weren’t. All 3 of these series were really bad.

I'm glad you enjoyed these shows. With that said, they all had some pretty big, legit issues that will result in large portions of the potential audience thinking they are much worse than a 6 or 7/10.

Given that, why tell them different to try to get them to watch it? What is the motivation to try to oversell these shows in an attempt to convince people to watch them?

Echo just sucked

Echo 1/10 she hulk 6/10 iron heart 1/10

Echo was ok, she hulk was ok except for the ending and the way they did the wrecking crew... ironheart was terrible.

Echo and Iron heart were just okay. She hulk..definitely not. I watched them...horrible. i wish I could get my time back from She hulk

Echo was a mess that felt both rushed and drawn out. It needed to either be a low budget action movie or a 10 episode crime drama and it was in this weird limbo.

She-Hulk had a solid start and would love to see more episodes, but the end of the season was terrible and left me with a bad taste in my mouth despite my enjoyment of many of the episodes.

Iron Heart had similar issues as Echo, but was overall much better. I got really into it in the second half. Definitely want more of that show.

Iron Heart made me want them to make a show about the Hood and Mephisto.

😂😂no they aren't, and they don't deserve a 2 chance, in fact people that haven't seen these abominations should stay away.

Nah I'm good. There is this miscommunication that you should give everything a chance, even if it's not what you are looking for. That mindset just gives the studios the false impression that the fandom likes the product and they continue to make the same product. There is no change because they don't see a need to change

All of these shows were just terrible. Coping does not work for these.

Echo was lame and unnecessary, added zero to the overall MCU. Ironheart and SheHulk were fine. Just fine.

Nah. There's too many good shows out there to waste my time on mediocre to bad shows.

Echo was enjoyable, I feel like it was way too short though but it was definitely really interesting, action was fun, it’s a good standalone spotlight show

She-Hulk wasn’t bad, just very flawed. It was funny and entertaining but the CGI for some reason really knocks it down for me along with the really wacky ending (I know it’s supposed to be wacky, but maybe just a bit overly wacky) but yknow it’s fine

Ironheart was REALLY good, people hate on it for very biased or misinformed reasons. The ending was not at *all* what I expected and it’s a really, really good setup for a character who obviously has a bigger story building around her. She’s not put as “the new Iron Man” nor “Tony’s replacement” like some say she is. Highly recommended

No.