Antman did not come back to his universe
I believe Antman never came back to his original universe. Look at the paints and the objects in the background. Either they moved or disappeared. I remember seeing that a while ago and noticed that some objects were missing, anyone can access the IMAX version and confirm other changes. Enjoy (re)watching!
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So since this scene was added late into the game, the set department may had simply messed up
If it's one of those cafes that displays local art for sale (I know of two near me), then they get changed around quite frequently.
That said, this entire plotline is most certainly going to be completely forgotten and never brought up again.
The implication being that new Loki is an empathetic guy and likely wouldn't mess with a kid if he wasn't a threat. Unlike the Kang TVA that tried to eliminate Sylvie simply on the grounds that she was a rebellious female Loki that was just about to choose the Valkyrie life instead of the Loki life.
In S1 E6, when Sylvie and Loki arrived at the citadel of He Who Remains, HWR had known everything that was going to happen. He said "I paved the road - you just walked down it." Although he admitted to not being able to see what happened *after* Sylvie and Loki arrived, he seemed pretty confident that one or both of them would want to take over from him, so he could retire / die in peace.
This can be interpreted to mean that not only was Sylvie's childhood abduction quite intentional (not random / algorithmic), her escape and survival as a refugee was also intentional. HWR designed it all to hone Sylvie's skills and motivations, to ensure Sylvie and Loki would meet, and to manipulate them into showing up at his doorstep - ready to stop him and eager to take over.
The idea that all of one's choices are shaped by an unseen, unaccountable overlord is chilling indeed, and it makes the show even more profound and memorable, in my opinion.
It's also the whole point of the last Loki season in that his whole life he's played a role for others: he was the trickster spirit really only as a contrast to Thor, there was no reason for him to be portrayed as "Evil" other than due to Odin's disdain of him as son of the enemy mixed with his affection for him and his intentional favoritism of Thor over him. It was a manufactured role. So when he finds out that his whole existence is manufactured by he who remains, it drives him and Sylvie over the edge.
It's the whole reason when he gets the power he uses it to free all the timelines and give them freedom of choice.
It's the whole message of the series.
However, that doesn't remove from the fact that the treatment of Sylvie is the direct result of the rules manufactured by He Who Remain's TVA to squash any and all variations to maintain one single and true timeline.
He who remains works in opposition and is a contrast to the God Loki ending.
Your argument, though I can hear it, that it was his plan all along is not false BUT the series makes it explicit that the moment he loses his all seeing abilities is when they make that choice. It's why he's so excited.
So yes it was all planned. But he did not know the final result.
I never said Sylvie's abduction was random, much to the contrary it was precise and intentional. It was the result of his rules: eliminate all variations.
Separately from this, yes it was intentional on the behalf of he who remains to put her and Loki in a confrontation so he would have two potential heirs, but this works parallel and separately from the TVAs actions as by that point they were mostly automated via the robots.
Go back to the Council of Kangs, and they’re all dead. Just piles of dead Kangs everywhere. You see metal boots walking through the carnage. Pan up to show Doctor Doom, brushing dirt off his shoulder. “Kang the Conquerer… Pathetic.”
If you need to tell a “Doom wipes out all the Kangs” story, you could tell it without it being implausible.
Pre-Infinity War, most people wouldn’t have thought Thanos could beat Hulk in a fistfight, but it happened. It’s comic books; every character is exactly as strong or as weak as they need to be to tell the story you’re telling.
And yes, I know the Kang Dynasty was the reason Kang Prime was in the Quantum Realm, but that's cyclic time travel storytelling for you.
Im not going to get into the laundry list of reasons i thought the movie was fucking terrible. But i promise that there are valid reasons to dislike the movie
I hate the rest of the movie but Majors stole every scene with his performance and its a shame that he couldn't be a decent human being so we could get more damn Kang cos he was clearly great in the role (whenever he wasn't hamming it up to make paper-thin characters seem distinct. \*ahem\* quantamania ending \*Ahem\*)
I think it ends the trilogy incredibly well and if it had been marked as the end of the Ant-Man trilogy instead of the "introduction of the new big bad" I think people would have taken to it a bit better than they did.
(1) The plot didn't make a ton of sense - why didn't Janet ever warn anyone of the dangers in the Quantum Realm, if it's so accessable that even a teenager can build a device to travel there?
(2) The visual effects didn't sit well with me. There was too much monotonous, candy-colored ridiculousness, and I started to feel kind of seasick after an hour of it.
(3) I didn't like Modok being pathetically absurd instead of sinister. It left a bad taste in my mouth, especially his death scene, which was played for laughs but which was actually gruesome and sad.
(4) The ending was kind of anticlimactic - not that I wanted Scott to die, and not that I minded Kang being defeated in some way, but it just seemed like it had been slapped on at the end without enough thought.
To each their own! Not trying to say you shouldn't have liked it, just explaining why I (and many others) didn't.
Production and design should have remade the set as it was, but the script supervisor should have picked up on the differences
Everything is logged, stored and referenced, so that when they come and do a reshoot, the set can be reproduced to the exact specifications.
It's possible they used something else - but it would reflect quite poorly on several departments. It would be relatively easy to reproduce if such a painting were lost / unavailable.
Having said that, I'd have to rewatch it to get the feel here .
Not really anything to build off of i just thought it was weird.
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Either a different universe, an altered version of the main universe, or it’s genuinely a reshoot mistake.
If they do a total reboot of the MCU like theorized then I can totally see them trying to do Kang again years down the line. What I don’t understand is why they didn’t just recast. I mean its not like Kang was so established that recasting would have affected the story in any way. Although I thought Majors did a fantastic job as Kang and his variants in the projects he was in
Later in season two we found out that Loki had "just" traveled back in time to a version of the TVA where He Who Remains had not yet erase all traces of his existence.
But at the time it seemed that the TVA Loki knew had been replaced with a version where a variant of He Who Remains/Kang was in control.
Some people said that it wasn't the same TVA... but the point is that there is only one TVA. So he couldn't simply return to the one he knew before.
And this ending suggests something similar. Because if Scott and Hope simply returned to the wrong timeline, they could find a way back to the "sacred timeline".
Instead the ending suggests that the other variants of Kang have already retroactively changed the sacred timeline. And that Scott can never feel safe again.
But hey, they could still retcon it.
Although, I think that they will redcon it if that was the original plan. Since they go with DR. Doom now instead of Kang.
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There is also a LOT and purple and green coloring in peoples outfits/lights/baloons.
I don't think its he didn't make it back to his universe. I think its that the council of kangs started to deal with him by messing with his time.
Oh wait no they said that it was a completely separate universe, didn't they? Or is it a dimension? What's the difference anymore?
_Ugh this whole cinematic universe is so fucked_
And how have you extrapolated this from a painting being replaced?? Is it impossible for the guy to have just moved his painting? Does that mean it has to be a different universe?
Also this is proof to you haven't watched movie with common sense turned on because Cassie bring Scott and Hope back to 616.
And to add, time twisters don't have any presence in movie! The same thing Avengers enter while doing time/chronology travel via threads of time (the same blue thingy as seen in Loki show).
How this theory got +1K upvotes is beyond me XD