How much time did it take for Loki to redeem himself in each of the arcs and which was the better one?
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Dell0c02025-11-07 17:02
The 2nd Loki took more time, but showed he was a better person.
Beeman6162025-11-07 17:15
It's hard to separate them tbh. Second Loki became the more heroic of the two, but him witnessing first Loki's demise was a part of that arc.
HomsarWasRight2025-11-07 22:07
Exactly. He kinda got to jump to the end of the arc by watching it all. I think the idea is that he always thought so little of himself deep down, that villainy was easier. Seeing that there really was something heroic in him helped kinda jump start it.
mrbaryonyx2025-11-07 17:53
I like IW for conciseness, finality (or so we thought) and irony.
The thing about Infinity War is that, by this point, Thor (and the audience) thought he had Loki figured out. By the end of Ragnarok, Thor is officially ahead of Loki, and he does this by coming to terms with the fact that Loki is a narcissist. He can never fully trust him, but he loves him (he even counts on Loki coming to rescue him, motivated by that narcissism). So when Loki nearly lets him die in IW, it's fine. Thor dies a warrior's death like all good asgardians, Loki will live, maybe even rule (or at least avoid prison on Earth) and Thanos doesn't get what he wants. Sure, Loki betrayed him again, but whatever, he always does that. It all works out.
Except it doesn't, because what Thor forgot is: **Loki does love him, actually**, enough to give up the tesseract and his life (two things that Thor does not want him to do). Loki's greatest act of selflessness (up until that point) and love pushes him to perform **the worst betrayal he ever has**. He literally dooms half the universe.
Shit like that is why IW is so magical; the writers needed to get Loki out of the way in a way that does right by his character and his twenty film arc, without taking up too much screen time, and they did it brilliantly.
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-07 19:52
I’m predicting in Doomsday we’re going to see the variant Loki ultimately make the same choice his other self did by giving up the multiverse out of love for Thor
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-07 19:47
I’ll always love original Loki more. Way more compelling, way more meaningful. The character was at his best as a villain who never stopped loving his family and was driven to heroic acts purely by his love for them.
Riley__642025-11-07 20:38
Something that needs to be taken into account is a major factor that made the second Loki redeem himself was seeing that he was capable of doing it in his original timeline.
evapotranspire2025-11-07 21:10
Yes, excellent point. In Loki S1 E1, Loki was at absolutely rock bottom, with his world forever lost to him and his self-image obliterated. In the TVA's Time Theater, seeing what he *would* have become capable of back on the main timeline provided a spark of meaning that set him on a new path. From then on, there was nowhere to go but up, with Mobius as his guide.
TomBeanWoL2025-11-07 21:00
I think the moment Loki begins his steps towards redemption is with the death of Frigga, one of those two Loki's saw that happen a lot earlier then the other and knew it was his fault. Original Loki still wants to rule Asgard but also he only Exiles Odin, rather than killing him, which he very easily could have done, he slowly redeems himself after finding a reason to be a hero. TVA Loki has a similar arc where he's only really a villain because he doesn't have a reason to be a hero, he slowly finds something to protect and a reason to fight for it.
SinginGidget2025-11-07 22:56
Someone needs to add an asterisk to "killed Agent Coulson". ;P
Witty-News-87812025-11-07 23:03
It's going to be impossible to figure out how much time, because time works differently in the TVA. IIRC, loki spend hundreds of years trying to figure out how to fix the loom. Also all the time he spent talking to he who remains, etc, it could be thousands of years or it could be 20 mins, we'll just never know because we don't know how time works in the tva
TelenorTheGNP2025-11-07 23:10
As an aside, watching Loki S1 and 2, it really leaps out at me how interested I was in where they were going. Stupid Majors and his stupid actions.
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The thing about Infinity War is that, by this point, Thor (and the audience) thought he had Loki figured out. By the end of Ragnarok, Thor is officially ahead of Loki, and he does this by coming to terms with the fact that Loki is a narcissist. He can never fully trust him, but he loves him (he even counts on Loki coming to rescue him, motivated by that narcissism). So when Loki nearly lets him die in IW, it's fine. Thor dies a warrior's death like all good asgardians, Loki will live, maybe even rule (or at least avoid prison on Earth) and Thanos doesn't get what he wants. Sure, Loki betrayed him again, but whatever, he always does that. It all works out.
Except it doesn't, because what Thor forgot is: **Loki does love him, actually**, enough to give up the tesseract and his life (two things that Thor does not want him to do). Loki's greatest act of selflessness (up until that point) and love pushes him to perform **the worst betrayal he ever has**. He literally dooms half the universe.
Shit like that is why IW is so magical; the writers needed to get Loki out of the way in a way that does right by his character and his twenty film arc, without taking up too much screen time, and they did it brilliantly.
If you're asking an open-ended question, try to add your own personal answer and the reasoning.
If you're asking an open-ended question, try to add your own personal answer and the reasoning.