Yelena and Walker were the only people Valentina recruited onscreen. The 3 of them are the only ones (excluding Bob) whose shame rooms we got to see.
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Theasiuser992025-11-07 14:25
Something I like about \*The New Avengers is that it is like a total different vibe from the OG Avengers, but it is still similar and loyal. Like this is their Nick Fury moment where they get recluted. With different intentions but it feels cool. I wish Disney had bet on earlier for the Thunderbolts movie, it was the best replacement for the Avengers, they feel fresh.
Magnusfyr2025-11-07 18:24
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stratasfear2025-11-07 19:12
Would’ve made logistical sense: all the core characters had been effectively established by that point (save for Val’s subplot in Black Panther 2) and it might’ve opened them up for a phase 5 movie with Zemo
Magnusfyr2025-11-07 19:15
Zemo assembling his own Thunderbolts-esque team of former villains to fight the New Avengers would be amazing.
petrowski72025-11-07 14:27
John and Yelena also had the most fleshed-out arcs in the film
lk792025-11-07 16:03
Yelena was already recruited by Val wasn't she? At the end of Black Widow I'm sure she says something along the lines of "Here's your next target" or "Do you want to see your next target?" before showing her the pic of Clint.
That to me sounds like she had been working for Val for a period of time already.
KostisPat2572025-11-07 16:04
Yes, this is what the post is saying
lk792025-11-07 16:25
I took what the post is saying to mean that Val is meeting them for the first time and recruiting them.
In [Black Widow's credit scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1OtrRruzlQ), it establishes that Val and Yelena already have a working relationship. Yelena tells Val that she's not supposed to bother her on her holiday time and that she wants a raise. So she's already been recruited by Val before this scene.
KostisPat2572025-11-07 16:26
Ohh yeah, you're right, my bad, I misunderstood what you were saying then
The_River_Is_Still2025-11-08 07:42
Oh for f.....what happened to you guys??? Where's the pitchforks and online rage!
StanyeEast2025-11-08 20:18
I got you.
See, I KNOW Yelena and I KNOW she was recruited at a different time than either of you and I saw Ghost's recruitment scene because my eyes work on the invisible spectrum, so f*** you and f*** this because MARVEL
The_River_Is_Still2025-11-09 17:14
lol
ipodblocks3602025-11-07 16:22
Would you look at that...
ZachRyder2025-11-07 16:31
Ghost and Red Guardian: "No shame room? The ad said, 'Not Giving Up'."
"Well, check it again, secondary character. Script said three shame rooms for three New Avengers\*. You showed up for a supporting role only. For that, I give you sad expressions and tragic backstories. You're lucky to get that."
Ghost and Red Guardian: "I need that closure!"
"I missed the part where that's my problem."
mrbaryonyx2025-11-07 17:40
I mean we've seen Bucky's shame room
not literally but like, you know what it is
blodyn__tatws2025-11-07 21:56
I was just about to say something similar. Except it shouldn't be his shame. 1000000000% not his fault.
CaptHayfever2025-11-07 22:46
He knows it's not his fault, but he's still haunted by it.
That said, I don't think we needed his shame room specifically because he's the only one of this team who's actually been to therapy before & dealt with his trauma in a healthy way.
blodyn__tatws2025-11-07 22:51
I agree he's haunted by it, and that's partly why I took great issue with the style of therapy he got. His therapist enraged me. 😂 Not sure if they were going for that but victim blaming him and forcing things on him pissed me right off. He would have done everything in his power to make amends somehow anyway, because he's a good man.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-07 17:49
Ava, Alexi, and Antonia never had a secene like that
Otherwise-Prize-16842025-11-07 18:18
wtf kind of detail is this?
So out of the 4 characters whose shame rooms we saw… 2 of them have something in common.
Good catch
elizabnthe2025-11-07 23:53
Yelena was the main character of the Thunderbolts. Valentina and Bob the main "villains" and John Walker effectively the male lead.
Bucky, Ghost and Red Guardian were supporting more than anything. Plus we had already seen full movies for Ghost and Bucky about their trauma. And Red Guardian is the comic relief so you don't want to make him too much not one.
MArcherCD2025-11-10 09:13
I wish we had more stories leading to the entire roster getting recruited
I liked the film as it is, but this would be a way to make it better. Have some actual development with Taskmaster, especially since there's an 11 year chronological gap between Black Widow and Thunderbolts, so there's a lot of room for stories there - have an actual Ant-Man 3 that follows the traction of AM+TW even slightly with Ghost if nothing else with Scott or the Pyms or even the Ex-Con security business etc
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That to me sounds like she had been working for Val for a period of time already.
In [Black Widow's credit scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1OtrRruzlQ), it establishes that Val and Yelena already have a working relationship. Yelena tells Val that she's not supposed to bother her on her holiday time and that she wants a raise. So she's already been recruited by Val before this scene.
See, I KNOW Yelena and I KNOW she was recruited at a different time than either of you and I saw Ghost's recruitment scene because my eyes work on the invisible spectrum, so f*** you and f*** this because MARVEL
"Well, check it again, secondary character. Script said three shame rooms for three New Avengers\*. You showed up for a supporting role only. For that, I give you sad expressions and tragic backstories. You're lucky to get that."
Ghost and Red Guardian: "I need that closure!"
"I missed the part where that's my problem."
not literally but like, you know what it is
That said, I don't think we needed his shame room specifically because he's the only one of this team who's actually been to therapy before & dealt with his trauma in a healthy way.
So out of the 4 characters whose shame rooms we saw… 2 of them have something in common.
Good catch
Bucky, Ghost and Red Guardian were supporting more than anything. Plus we had already seen full movies for Ghost and Bucky about their trauma. And Red Guardian is the comic relief so you don't want to make him too much not one.
I liked the film as it is, but this would be a way to make it better. Have some actual development with Taskmaster, especially since there's an 11 year chronological gap between Black Widow and Thunderbolts, so there's a lot of room for stories there - have an actual Ant-Man 3 that follows the traction of AM+TW even slightly with Ghost if nothing else with Scott or the Pyms or even the Ex-Con security business etc