Serious Question About This Scene
I only saw this movie once and am seriously wondering this one thing, (forgive me if I missed the answer somewhere in the movie, lol ) but
Is Loki speaking to a self-made vision of Frigga? Did he say she is not his mother because he created the illusion himself and is talking to no one?
Just wondering what I might have missed
Is Loki speaking to a self-made vision of Frigga? Did he say she is not his mother because he created the illusion himself and is talking to no one?
Just wondering what I might have missed
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He sent them in the direction of the forcefield generator. He wanted to see them invade and see what would happen, dog chasing cars and all that.
And what happened was something he didn't expect. A big element of Loki's character is that he really isn't some grand machiavellian god with schemes upon schemes; he's a mischievous cretin who causes discord to see where it'll take him and is *often* made miserable but what he's unleashed.
She's putting the onus on him to accept/forgive Odin and Loki makes the choice to reject Frigga because he *can*'t accept/forgive Odin.
Which is a bit of a shitty thing to do to my mind.
odin and frigga loved him like a son, thor loved him like a brother, and he still went behind everyones back and betrayed them (i think twice by this point). all bc "hes not my real dad"
so fuck that, he deserved to be in prison, and frigga was trying to get through his thick skull about how they loved him all the same even if he was adopted but he wouldnt accept that.
Thor started a war with a people he openly refered to as beasts (wonder who he learned *that* from and what other things were taught about the Jotun despite his son, you know, being one).
You don't bring up a child of another race and then say shit like that around them right? If you're a decent parent you'd teach your first born (who's to be in control of a warrior people/massive army who's been rasied on stories of the war his father fought in) to see them as people right?
Plus Loki was raised as a prince! He'd be married off to strengthen ties with other realms! Would they have told him on his wedding night? Or just not warned him at all that his children would be born a different race that he believes himself to be? Condemn his wife as an adulterer and start a war? Which Thor, as regeant would 100% have done because it's a slight to Asgard.
For his crimes againt Midgard Odin wanted to *kill* his '*son*' but his wife stayed his hand, Thor got a time-out for his crimes and you want me to believe they 'l*oved them both the same'.*
Loki isn't an innocent player in this whole thing but 100% at fault? *For everything*? Nope.
Odin tells Loki he was found *in* a *temple*, a place of worship.
Babies aren't left to die in temples where powerful artifacts are *also* kept. Those places are guarded, *especially* with the enemy invading, and Odin wouldn't have be alone at any point, even when the war was 'over'. Odin would have had warriors shadowing him at all times in an enemy territory because he was the king.
Loki tells Odin, 'you were already knee deep in Jotun blood, why not one more?'
Odin is a *liar*, to his family, to his kingdom and to himself.
In the film, when Odin is recounting the tale of finding Loki, they film extremely close up to his face, maybe if they pulled back a little you'd see the bodies if the slaughtered temple guards, holy leaders and civilians trying to protect/seek shelter within.
“Your birth right was to die as a child! Cast out on a frozen rock. If I had not taken you in, you would not be here to hate me”
This is never shown to be false. Not even in a TV show that re-established him as a new character, that isn’t mentioned.
You just wrote that Odin said Loki was 'cast out on a frozen rock', but in Thor 1 he found Loki in a temple. Odin *states* this, then changes his mind about what happened in The Dark World.
A lot of stuff doesn't get 100% shown clearly, that's why it's fun to interpret things online.
And I totally agree that Odins done plenty of fucked up things, but I just tend to think it was before Thor and Loki were born, back when he was conquering the realms with Hella.
I think they cut the scene because they like the ambiguity of "was that her projecting or was that something Loki made to comfort himself." then whichever you prefer the scene where he learns about her death hits you in the most meaningful way to you. You either view it as Loki lost the person who believed in him the most and didn't give up or he never got to say goodbye to his mother the one person he seemed to truly care for.
[Frigga deleted scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9RC7tCpvuE)
This scene is intended to make it clear Loki can be redeemed and Thor should trust that cause Frigga believed it and how he reacts to her death later. Having this scene undercuts the way Loki "betrays" Thor. The deleted scene makes the actual scene where Loki is supposed to "betray" Thor seem like it comes from nowhere and is out of place/just there for cinematic value rather than good story telling.
Loki said that to lash out at her, to try and hurt her for his situation.
Both of them knew that while not his birth mother, she was indeed his mother.
To paraphrase someone, "That Frost Giant may have been you mother, boy, but she wasn't your momma!"
— a Frigga variant I would pay money to see, probably
Edit: originally forgot Dick van Dyke’s character and substituted the wrong guy
I'm Frigga Poppins, y'all!
https://youtu.be/UcoNxqkyGTQ?si=d1GCv5tklzbPkf-D
Just to turn around and create an illusion to send down and see her kid, cuz that's *her kid.*
We see in Ragnarok that Loki did the same thing to visit Thor when Thor was in the uhhh. Holding cells? For the Grandmaster's gladiators. I guess that's what you'd call them?
Anyways, yeah.
Odin was a stern father, but Thor always tried to see the best in him and keep giving me more chances. Frigga loved him unconditionally, so she was the biggest threat to his own self-made bad guy image. As much as I loved him in the movies and his series I would love to see the Arc of kid Loki and becoming the god of stories.
All of these are just my opinions and won't argue with any one about them because it's all down to our own minds to pull meaning out of what we see.
Frigga has the world's longest weave. Raised by witches... but what witches? earth witches? Asgardian witches? what is significant about these witches over earth witches? Odin, i dont know. part of me thinks he is okay.. the rest of me is like "who is this terrorist!?" Loki.. had just tried to take over earth for thanos.. so naturally this scene is going to be aggravated. He let his pretend mom down. then she shows up to say hi im a pretend fashion as if the boy she raised is somehow patient zero for the covid he got when he tried to take over new york. isolation will get ya.. thor went from bleaching his eye brows to a near 40 year old that is now raising a god killers resurrected kid. who for the record, has her fathers attitude. soo.. thats cool.
now we have Loki in the universal seat as the holder of all time.. what happens when he has to pee? does he let go of the time lines? or take them with him to potty?
frigga can see without seeing but she couldnt see her death coming? the ancient one could only see her death and she still managed to die..
thors girl.. girl thor.. died and is some how in thor heaven. hercules is mad because russell crow gained weight. and odin turned into sparkles.
just introduce thor as the black winter and let him destroy the multiverse as projected. they have been building up a character of intense loss, pain and sacrifice within him.. he is going to have to snap at some point.
