I love how Walker was the second member to hug Bob

This was a beautiful to show us, instead of telling us, how much Walker had grown throughout the movie. They had the most tumultuous relationship in the group but none of that mattered when Bob needed a family.

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Arsenio32025-11-06 17:54

They went from most Depression to least

justafanboy10102025-11-06 18:55

Lol nice way of looking at it

PayneTrain1819992025-11-07 00:59

True. Yelena got there first.

Then John.

Then Bucky.

Then Alexei.

Then Ava, who isn’t really depressed but is going through a rough patch all the same.

Bendythenightfury2025-11-07 22:39

And Bob was already there and was definitely the most depressed

readyforpickup2025-11-06 18:05

Walker should play Metal Gear Solid. It would contextualize a lot for him

Fracas-in_Caracas2025-11-06 18:09

Walker strikes me as a guy that quit gaming after he broke too many controllers rage quitting.

turboandtorque2025-11-06 18:16

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solidsnakechito2025-11-06 23:16

Would also be a round about way of connecting him to his IRL father, Kurt Russell. I believe Hideo Kojima was partially inspired by Escape from New York when developing Metal Gear or MG2. Escape from New York had Kurt play Snake Plissken. (There was a play on that name in MGS2 when Snake was posing as a regular solider.)

Bendythenightfury2025-11-07 22:42

Still feels weird that Wyatt's father is Kurt Russell

Riley__642025-11-06 18:13

I think what’s great about Walker here is we can see him basically stopping Bob from doing what he did.

The action that truly made Walker spiral was killing that man in the street and what we see from Walker in this moment is him pulling Bob away and holding him back from continuing to beat and attempt to kill somebody.

Fracas-in_Caracas2025-11-06 18:16

That’s a good perspective, he does grab his arm first to pull Bob’s punches before going for the hug.

I also love that the flash back scene in the bunker originally shows Walker not being present for his family. It makes this scene hit harder, showing he’s learned a valuable lesson.

Itchy_Figure_25112025-11-06 20:11

totally agree, that moment was so pivotal for both their characters

Mysterious-Fix-33252025-11-06 20:47

Sorry that doesn't sound exactly right to me, what made him spiral in that series was lemar dying, no? in the final episode he gets his act together, and later joins val as us agent... i just don't see that read, that's all.

Riley__642025-11-06 20:53

Lemar dying starts it but actually killing the guy is what fully sends Walker down his spiral.

By killing that guy it caused Walker to lose his job as Cap, start working for Val, lose his wife and kids and causes him to be trapped in his own depression.

We see from Walker’s void room that since the incident of him killing that man in public he’s been trapped in a cycle of feeling like a failure for not being able to live up to being cap which causes him to neglect everything else in his life to try and be worthy of being Captain America.

Yes Lemar’s death affected him but killing that guy is what causes him to lose everything else.

PayneTrain1819992025-11-07 00:58

This also comes after absent father Walker being the one to knock out Bob’s abusive father in the Void.

MArcherCD2025-11-10 11:46

Same with Tony trying to stop Quill and reign him in with Thanos

Tony lashed out and acted in anger in Siberia with Steve and Bucky, and got his ass handed to him for his trouble. He learned from his mistake, he tried to stop Quill doing the same thing when he learned Gamora died and was clearly emotional

FrostyBoom2025-11-06 18:14

Yeah, I liked it cause they had the biggest antagonism going on and in the end Walker was not only encouraging him but also was the one to punch his abusive dad. Hope we get more of the Thunderbolts, their dynamics could be fascinating.

Nonadventures2025-11-06 23:15

Walker going after his dad is fitting because Walker quietly hates that he’s a dad who’s fallen short himself, so it’s fitting he hates an actual abusive dad even more.

booboopsheboop2025-11-07 01:47

This is my favorite Marvel movie so far.

Responsible_Egg75192025-11-06 18:15

I really liked the sort of parallel he had with Bob’s father. Obviously Walker wasn’t nearly as terrible, but they both showed the same type of aggression and physical intimidation and you could see how it was starting to spread to his behavior towards his family. Him knocking Bob’s dad out in the Void and the way he stands over him almost triumphantly for a moment felt like a way of rejecting that path he was going down.

Fracas-in_Caracas2025-11-06 18:36

That’s an awesome perspective that I hadn’t considered. He even stops calling him Bobby. I always interpreted that as a sign of respect but now I think it has more to do with hearing Bobs dad call him that.

Which I suppose is still a sign of respect, but it adds a deeper meaning to it.

Responsible_Egg75192025-11-06 18:43

He actually does keep calling him Bobby but does it in an encouraging, fond way rather than the mocking manner he’d previously used, which I think is even better. Taking something that was used to hurt him and making it positive

MalicCarnage2025-11-07 07:59

He also is the first tell Bob he did great after the ordeal was over

BroeknRecrds2025-11-06 21:21

Man this movie was so good. Sleeper hit of phase 5

PhosphoFred82022025-11-08 16:43

Very much not a “hit”

Lawdoc12025-11-06 21:31

There is no way to compare/judge people's depression/PTSD to one another and we shouldn't do that or attempt to do that in the real world. And I'll preface what's next by saying my point of view is coming from being a veteran.

Walker has had a massive amount of trauma. He was, according to the movies/shows, a special forces veteran that saw extensive combat in "the trenches of every war-torn country on this planet."

After that he saw his best friend killed (Lamar Hoskins) killed in front of him. And that was undoubtedly not the first of his friends he watched die a traumatic death.

He then basically committed the murder of an unarmed opponent and went through the public spectacle of dealing with that and being humiliated and stripped of his titles (which was appropriate, but still traumatic).

His ensuing PTSD and his failure properly address it then caused him to lose his family.

The other characters surely had a lot of trauma. And Yelena was likely the closest, though I don't know if she fought in war zones as part of larger units (which is different than individual assassination operations where you are operating alone). She also had the trauma of her youth, and all that went with that, but it was different than what Walker experienced.

But based on all that, and a little personal experience understanding it, I see why he would want to rush to help. He has been extensively trained to help his comrades in times of need. Even at great personal cost.

BravoLeader30002025-11-06 21:41

I love Yelena hugging Bob, but Walker joining the hug REALLY makes me cry - simply beautiful.

Stillwindows952025-11-06 21:47

Walker is one of the more interesting new characters imo. He's done some despicable shit, and he has a lot of room for character growth.

I want to see him be a better person, less self centered, a better father, but maybe even fuck it all up again, but for a more solid reason the next time or maybe he is just human after all and struggles to learn from mistakes.

Either way I kinda just really like the character, not the person if that makes sense. I feel like as the months go on and the more I think about Thunderbolts, the more I realize it's a top 3 marvel movie for me. It's passionate and goes deep for a superhero movie. They've made me more invested in their team than any team Sam could come up with, even if it debuted before Doomsday I think most people would probably still favour the Thunderbolts.

Wooden-Radish-90082025-11-07 01:46

This is why I hate when people try to justify his behavior in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. The fact that he *does* do bad shit and the fact that he *is* an asshole is what makes his story in Thunderbolts so much better and makes him a better, deeper character.

Anyone who tries to do the whole "Walker did nothing wrong" song and dance are actively advocating for the character to be less interesting

Heavensrun2025-11-07 02:38

They're also just, y'know, *wrong.*

Wooden-Radish-90082025-11-07 15:11

Yeah, there's also that lol

Edit: I see they came for ya

Stillwindows952025-11-07 07:55

Yeah, nah, I can't get with that whole 'he did nothing wrong' movement.

Aside from what I listed above, in a way this is probably one of the more important points which ties directly with the cold blooded murder of an unarmed combatant;

Turning the symbol/Icon of Captain American into a mockery live on TV. I can imagine in the MCU that's like someone taking on the role of Mr Rogers and then being a dick. It probably impacted a lot of people, especially kids who looked up to the idea of a Captain America.

Wooden-Radish-90082025-11-07 15:12

100% with ya on that

implodingnerd2025-11-06 21:52

fuck man. just seeing those still frames just brings me to tears.

Fallenjace2025-11-06 22:26

The family dynamic of the Thunderbolts is so underrated. Walker is the epitome of the older brother role.

Bob: "Hi, I'm Bob. Just Bob."
Everyone else: "Hi, Bob."
Walker: "Bobby."
Bob: "Lol, you're an asshole."

spidervenom6192025-11-07 08:57

My family and I often say that the family dynamic goes something like this.

Bob and Yelena are like twin silbings that Yelena is the Younger overprotected silbing of Bob, Ghost the next child in line, Alexei is the Team Dad while Bucky's is Team's Mom.

TheHeroicLionheart2025-11-06 23:24

Walker is a great dude, just a shitass Captain America

Defiant_Wheel48882025-11-07 02:35

Duplicate Captain America.

spidervenom6192025-11-07 08:59

Walker is a excellent Us Agent, a decent Human being but will always failed as a Captain America during that point in his life. Now, nowadays he might be worthy to be Cap and even worthy to be wield Mijnior (since let's be real All Caps are worthy of willing it lol.) but he will never choose it.

He's actually kinda reminds me of Natasha in a way.

dcooper86622025-11-07 01:29

This was a great movie. Also between his John Walker and Dud on Lodge 49, Wyatt has got a real knack for playing fuckups

Prowling_928652025-11-07 04:41

I can see them becoming closer in the future of the MCU

LoreMaster002025-11-07 16:41

my favorite line in the movie is Walker's during Bob vs The Void:

"get up Bobby"

Fracas-in_Caracas2025-11-07 16:45

I love that line as well because it’s the first time he calls him Bobby as a term of endearment.

SuperAl232025-11-08 10:28

I've still not watched this movie and this scene keeps coming up on reddit and I thought someone was adding Pippin into the movie for laughs...

railroad92025-11-10 02:03

He got his ass kicked half the movie for being a shitty dad. It's a reflexive Dad response.

But seriously, yeah, I love his arch in this flic.