It always gets to me how Goblin switched from being terrified to ecstatic after realizing that the Spider-Man he’s facing ain’t nothing like the one before
Dude was begging for Tobey to stop after only tanking only two punches with a mask on and had to resort to scheming. With Holand, despite him being in an enraged state, his punches only fueled Goblin’s excitement.
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edit: why am i getting downvoted? go on marvel unlimited and read the old comics thats literally what happens
But then in NWH Tom wanted to help him so he wasn’t really trying to seriously hurt him, but then in the end he actively wanted him to suffer to which Goblin couldn’t do a thing, he straight up looks like he’s accepted his death till Tobey stepped in
Later on, he beat the same Goblin in seconds and almost killed him with his own glider.
Also at that point Norman haven’t accomplished much yet. The real pain came much later. And it wouldn’t explain the terrified face he was making as Tom road ontop of him.
And the fact that you don’t think of either of them as being stronger than another is perfectly fine, that’s your interpretation. But calling people an obsessed weirdo over a simple post like this seems like a bit of an overreaction
With Tobey, he's just trying to stall for time to impale Spidey on the glider.
Then there's also the fact that Osborn was pulled into the MCU before he got his ass kicked, due to the shiny armor and being on top of his glider when he first appears in NWH.
You're definitely not an obsessed weirdo tho. Someone misinterpreting a scene isn't an excuse to start name-calling them. No idea why that dude was getting heated about it.
He was holding back too much, specifically, because Spider-Man always holds back, but that is the reason why he couldn't best him at that point. That's actually why Goblin laughs, and it's literally why he wins in this entire sequence of events. "Strong enough to have it all, too weak to take it."
However, OPs comparison isn't really fair because Peter 2 was likely always physically strong enough earlier in his own movie to put up better fights against Goblin, but he was still too weak to take the wins because he didn't know how much he had to hold back. That's why they take the experienced Peter 2 who has already been through the similar struggle Peter 1 has to now. They both had to decide how far was enough to go and if breaking their rule was necessary.
Finally, I see us all as obsessed weirdos, but only one was weird enough to make an insult out of it.
Edit: Thumb me down all you want. I didn't make that list. Someone made sense of all that stuff and it exists online.
Tom only got trashed because he was still holding back. At the end fight, we literally do see Norman lost to him and because Tom was willing to kill him and got very close to it.
Goblin to MCU May:
Tobey’s Peter never tried to convert Goblin in this way. Of course their conflict is a classic good vs. evil but I feel like Tom’s Peter directly challenged Goblin’s existence and philosophy, thus resulting in Goblin’s full wrath.
Goblin does NOT like being perceived as weak and goes out of his way to demonstrate to Peter that he is *strong*, his powers are to be used to take from those who are weaker than him. He is evil. He’s powerful. He knows what he is and he doesn’t care. He’s willing to hurt Peter in as many ways as possible to get Peter to corrupt his ways and use his powers for evil (breaking his moral code by murdering another person).
Don’t know if that makes sense but yeah that’s my thought process.
The only thing that detracts from this is the Goblin/Osborn should have known that going back to his own universe would eventually happen, resulting in his death either way given the conversations with other villains.
I think the Goblin/Osborn should have been smart enough to think of this. Maybe some part of him thought stopping Tom could keep him in the new verse, keeping him alive, or he thought this was his last chance to torture a hero and wanted a last hurrah.
Exist. No, literally. That's the only reason Goblin needs. That's what makes him the most terrifying villain.
As for the rest, maybe Electro could win.
The rest get eaten.
The crew was shocked by how much he was packing it made people uncomfortable so they body swapped him.
EDIT: It was actually for Antichrist
"Thata a boy"
Peter just gave the Goblin what he wanted most.
Interesting baseball stat.
Edit: I *guess* you could say James Earl Jones’s voice faced off against two different Obi Wans? But not really the same.
In Spider-Man 1 Peter gets the better of Goblin more often than not. He clearly overpowered him especially in the burning building.
However we also see Goblin could kill him but chooses not to when he knocks him out
At full exertion it's pretty clear Peter is stronger
Come NWH MCU Peter struggles alot in the apartment fight. More than Toby did for sure even though Toby was still a noob when he fought Goblin. However at the climax of the film MCU Peter washes him.
People like to interpret this as saying Spider-Man holds back and actually bullies Goblin easily but in my opinion Goblin is definitely a physical threat, definitely weaker but still in the same park.
Goblin wanted to corrupt both so his inconsistency is easily explained. In hand to hand he would pretty much always lose but he had other ways to kill them. That wasn't his goal.
The two Spider-Men having different performances has a lot to do with the fact that Spider-Man 2002 had no way to conceive that 20 years later there would be two more Spider-Men and a mutliverse. It was a solo film from a different era telling (at the time) a self contained story
And in Tobey's version it's him manipulating/baiting him to stop so he can sneak attack.