Honestly tony was such a prick in captain America: the civil war
im not talking about him trying to kill bucky , im talking about the fact how he didn’t look remorseful that his friends the avengers are caged in raft , second he threw a personal insult to black widow , honestly its stupid everyone easily forgave him
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Romanoff betrayed him.
Put his team in danger.
Rhodey got hurt cause he was following the plane she helped Rogers and a alleged bomber of u.n escape on.
Let's not forget she stole multi million dollar plane from tony.
i doubt romanoff have the finance's to reimburse him.
He had every right to call her out.
Why wouldn't he call her a triple imposter she only ever broken his trust.
And is he wrong she took advantage of brice trust and pushed him of a cliff.
Let's not forget avengers only ever used him as a bank account or to make them stuff.
They never came to visit him after snap only when they needed him for a suicide mission do they come to him.
Honestly tony was to soft on those avenger housing and feeding them and they bit the hand the fed them.
Also are you forgetting romanoff betrayed tony even worse then rogers.
Unlike Rogers who had a bond with bucky so has a reason ( a stupid one) not to tell tony of his parent deaths.
Romanoff did not so she is just a dirty tripple imposter liar.
I bet she planned to use that info to control rogers she neve got over red room mindset.
Romanoff is so lucky tony never found out she knew or we would have seen her splat much earlier
Tony believes in the oversight, but the second it’s controlling him he doesn’t care.
Cap cares about justice and doing the right thing, but his actions going against the accords put way more people in danger.
He was a prick to Clint but was remorseful talking to Sam. He screwed with the audio because he realized he and everyone had been fooled about Bucky and he wanted to go help Cap.
The thing that annoys me about Civil War is the idea that the Avengers are responsible for all these things:
-the invasion in NY was due to Shield messing with the Tesseract. The security council plan was to nuke the city.
-the ships from Winter Soldier were also a Shield screw up.
-Ultron/Sokovia was Tony mostly plus Banner.
-Laos was on the Avengers
And the accords are trying to give control of the Avengers to the UN…a fundamentally symbolic organization founded on the principles of high-minded rhetoric and empty gestures. Absurd.
Also Also, The World Security Council is from the government.. you know the guys who force the Avengers to signed the Accords in the first place lol.
leave Brittney alone guys!!!! \*sobbing\*
But he learned to grow and change which is what made his character compelling
I would imagine the overwhelming majority of the planet would react the way Tony did.
But then again he was never truly brainwashed like Bucky and the Widows was wasn't he.
Also, Tony is the only person with half a brain in that whole movie. Cap is being a stubborn asshole. Tony's whole stance is "we fucked up and need to eat some shit for it. If the accords get in the way of anything important, we'll just ask for forgiveness instead of permission."
And cap is all "omg principals".
Whats better? Keep doing what you're doing and maybe have to go on the run one day OR go on the run now and be fucked and split up..
Civil War is Caps fault. Tony does everything he can to try and keep everyone together while playing the game they all have to play. Hes a realist. I feel for him in this movie. Desperately trying to keep a bunchof absolute idiots together while they do everything they can to fuck it up only to then finally be tested and lose your shit over it.
Its hard being the only person who can see more than 1 fucking step passed the moment.
Cap: "The Doctor's behind all of this."
Tony: "Your judgment is askew."
Did Tony think Cap just decided to randomly blame the Doctor without evidence? Really?
Also Tony only goes by the Accords when it's convenient for him. So does Black Panther. And it's not like the fifteen-year old kid Tony recruited signed the Accords either.
At the end of the day Cap was right: Tony felt guilty over Ultron (as he should, and honestly he should have gone to prison over it once Ultron destroyed Sokovia), so he was all for "shifting the blame" to a UN committee who could make all the big decisions from that point on. But the Accords were a stupid, shortsighted idea. When a Thanos-level threat attacks Earth the Avengers need to be able to respond immediately in order to save lives, not wait while a UN committee files paperwork. And like Cap, said: "What if they try to send us somewhere we don't think we should go?"
I will say that Tony could have expressed himself a lot better when he was explaining to Cap about Wanda being forced to stay at the compound. And Steve was way too impatient with him in that scene too. ("Internment"? Come on, Steve.) Tony could have said, "She's staying at the compound. Ross wanted to deport her back to Sokovia and the only way I could stop that was to promise that she won't leave the compound for now. I don't like it either, but once she signs she'll be granted full citizenship and the Laos stuff will be forgotten."
To have them just literally not matter or come up ever in any movie after was a pathetic waste of story telling. They should be ashamed of themselves. The only time they ever came up again was in the next movie the rusos did - infinity war.
Garbage.
And Tony was right. If i was trying to fix everything and this guy is like "hey no evidence but actually its all this guys fault!". Yeah no, come back with me and we can sort it out and go after him \*together\*.
But no. If Cap listened to Tony then Zemos whole plan would have fallen apart. Tony listened to Cap and what happened? All according to plan.
Cap was morally right: The accords are a bad idea. But they were happening one way or another, he doesnt control the law. All they can do is play within it. And that was Tonys whole point.
So cap was wrong. He was wrong for what he did, wrong about the reality of the situation, and wrong for juding Tony for trying to do his best while not having everyone wind up in jail.
Cap was wrong in every way that matters.
Imagine if the Accords forced Natasha to go back to Russia and the Red Room (which they can in legal writing with the Accords, Russia did signed it while the Red Room was still a thing. Should the Avengers just say "Sorry Nat but you have to go back to the Government that abuse you and turned you into Mindless Slave cause the UN Told us so. Hopefully you don't killed us when Dreykov eventually gets sicks of the Accords and turned against the Un.
Where in the accords does it say " we can force black widow back to a shadow organization that we dont even know about"
Nothing in it made anyone a slave. it made them a government agency.
Also, the only ones didnt sign the accords were Caps team from civil war. As in half the heroes. Considerably less if you think about characters that arent immediately on the avengers team (see End Game finale). You can tell who "left" the accords because Infinity War is half about them and theyre the ones in hiding. Cap, nat, vision, wanda, falcon - then hawkeye and antman.
Thats it.
Tony literally helps Spiderman become a hero, doesnt make him reveal his identity, officailly announces him as an avenger, and he still didnt get in trouble with Ross or the government.
They could have done whatever they wanted. Cap is a stubborn ass in Civil War.
Tony Stark; Leader of the Team Accords, Breaks it within the next few days after the Battle against Team Freedom to help Steve and Bucky. Should be have been arrested after war for breaking the Accords. Also breaks it by hiding Peter's identity
Natasha Romanoff: Breaks it in the during the Battle of Avengers when T'Challa was taking it too far by trying to Murder a Innocent man (and yes Bucky Barnes was innocent from killing T'Chaka). Also Breaks it by taking out the Red Room and hiding Peter's identity.
Peter Parker: Breaks it by joining the team by not revealing his identity.
Vision: Breaks it by dating Wanda lol.
T'Challa: Breaks it... throughout the entirely damn film lol. The Mission was to bring Bucky in not Murdering him.
Rhodey: the Only one who stays Loyal to the Accords 100% until Infinity War in which ThunderBolt Ross tried to force him to arrest Team Freedom.... Loss his foot in the process by Vision. Then he breaks the Accords it by hanging up on Thunderbolt Ross.
Both Cap and Tony should have listened more and at the airport they both failed (but Tony failed more, as he started the airport fight) to just be rational adults and spend ten minutes talking. But that isn't really a failure on either character's part, it's the plot being forced to happen by the writers.
It's the one big drawback of Civil War. I can understand Tony reacting the way he does because of his massive ego and his recklessness and his guilt over Ultron, but Steve could have defused the situation at multiple points. When they were all talking it over at the compound Cap, should have taken Natasha's advice and then said that he would sign if there was language added to the Accords that allowed them to refuse any mission they had moral qualms about. That way his really big objection is handled. But then he got the call about Peggy and then Zemo blew up the UN while pretending to be Bucky and events just spiraled.
A better idea that still allowed the plot to happen would be if Ross and the UN agreed to add in the "Right to refuse a mission" language Cap wanted. Tony could have called Ross while the Avengers were all still talking and said, "We'll all sign, but we need this language added first," and Ross could have bitched about it over the phone but Tony could have insisted and told Ross he would lose Tony's support too without that language added in and that the Avengers aren't going to be some political assassination squad. Then Tony gets off the phone, looks at Steve, and says, "It's done. They're adding it now." Steve agrees to sign, everyone else quickly agrees as well, Steve gets the call about Peggy and heads out to her funeral. Then Zemo disguised as Bucky attacks the UN and when Steve wants to capture him, Ross orders the Avengers to kill him, and specifically forbids Cap to join in the mission because of supposed divided loyalties. Then you have your Civil War.
Iron Man - He is conceited, his tech is 'him' and that arrogance and obsession gets him caught by the fake Ten Rings
Iron Man 2 - He is hubristic, to the point that he is ready to destroy himself and his friendships out of his overbearing pride in himself
Avengers - Pompous and arrogant, which is how they know where Loki means to go next ie the Stark Tower
Iron Man 3 - Again his arrogance in the past, current obsessive problems due to the battle of New York and inflated ego lead him to almost lose everything
Age of Ultron - he thinks he can save the world with his tech but is too full of himself
Civil War - his immense guilt leads to overpowering narcissism and he wants to control all heroes which coupled with Bucky's backstory causes the rift between the Avengers
Infinity War and Endgame are the only movies where he's now learned that, but he still has an inflated self worth
He literally sacrifices himself at the end
You're spot on with the rest, but this one is way off.
He doesn't want to control all of the heroes, he's saying that they are making unilateral decisions that may not reflect the will of the people with repercussions that include the deaths of innocents, and that they should be accountable to a separate group that represents the will of the people.
To put it another way, he's saying they should be treated like the military with a defined chain or command, responsibility, and accountability.
The entire point of being a superhero in comics has never been doing things by consensus. The will of the people never has, and never should come into the equation as a genre. It is very much a genre about the will (and sometimes hubris) of the individual over all other factors, and at its best is benign vigilantism, and at its worst tyranny of individual might over society.
He is never held accountable for destroying an entire country in any way.
Even though Tony breaks the same Accords he tried to bully others into signing the first chance he gets, Steve is the one who ends up apologizing to him.
His girlfriend, who leaves him when he wouldn't stop being Iron Man after promising to retire, comes back.
What consequences does Tony suffer, exactly?
2. Even if you consider the caging part, before that, in the airport battle, Tony emotionally begs Cap to turn over, "help a brother out" yet nobody hears his pleas. From his perspective, all those trapped in prison are there coz they violated the law and tried to attack him and his team, heck his best friend is paralysed as a consequence of the attack.
3. The double-agent personal attack on Natasha was justified too from his perspective. Imagine trusting someone completely who turns against you at the last moment and again Rhodes condition is kinda on her too, indirectly ofc.
That being said Tony's basic character is that of a prick, in comics it's even more but on-screen it's the perfect toned down version. The personality has its reasons too much to do with his childhood but that's an entirely different topic to discuss.
But if I have to choose a team From the 3 main Avengers then I'm probably also Team Nat cause she was trying hard not to keep the family from dying and picking the best options at that time that would keep all of them alive not just Tony.