Knowing what we know about AI… how was Jarvis (and other Stark’s AI models) trained?

How do you think AIs in the MCU (JARVIS, Ultron, or Friday) were trained? Wouldn’t their creation raise the same ethical issues as real-world AI, like privacy, consent, bias, copyright, and data sourcing? And did Tony Stark even have the moral compass or ethical restraint needed to build them without crossing those lines?

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PeterTingle6162025-11-03 17:17

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mrbaryonyx2025-11-03 17:52

"Not totally thinking about the ethics when making an AI" is kind of a problem with Tony

rubyschnees2025-11-03 17:17

marvel's AI was just a cool, fantastical thing that's really fun in movies and shows and stuff

actual "AI" is just a content thief, a resource burning planet killer that isn't real intelligence but is actually just an overpowered search engine and information organizer that pretends to talk back to you

Ragnorok31412025-11-03 17:20

I mean... many AI are trained on public domain content. It's absolutely true that much of it uses stolen content, but if you train an AI model on Wikipedia, is that really unethical?

alexjf562025-11-03 17:27

Yes because it’s still burning the planet to the ground for absolutely zero human benefit.

thePhilosopherTheory2025-11-03 17:30

"zero human benefit" then why is it so wildly used

JDeegs2025-11-03 17:33

Mainly convenience. You can Google something (or multiple things) and parse through results to find the answers you're looking for.
Or you can ask chat gpt a question in plain English and it does the legwork for you.

thePhilosopherTheory2025-11-03 20:09

What you're describing is the most basic application of generative ai, and is also evidence that AI has does not have zero human benefit (not sure if you are arguing against or for a certain point)

jpiro2025-11-03 17:35

Because it's being rammed down everyone's throat?

thePhilosopherTheory2025-11-03 20:13

Not really an applicable answer to the question, that'd be like saying cars are so popular because of advertisements. Yes both things you'll see a lot of in media but they are being proliferated because they are considered valuable and desirable

jpiro2025-11-03 20:38

Cars are popular because we've prioritized urban sprawl and car-centric urban planning over quality mass transit and walkable communities.

So, yeah, those are shoved down our throat too...just not by ads.

thePhilosopherTheory2025-11-03 20:49

I disagree that generative AI is relevant mainly because a third party is pushing it on the people. At the end of the day, it is a powerful tool and governments are investing in infrastructure to support its development not unsimiliar to cars; OP's comment of how it has no benefits is disingenuous

jpiro2025-11-03 20:55

I don't agree that it's useless either. But it's absolutely being forced on people whether they need it or not. Google has it as the first search results, obscuring the traditional way of searching the web. The entire Office suite pushes Copilot as a tool within those apps. Sites are increasingly adding "AI" chatbots.

And all of it is being done with zero regard for the immense power demands, environmental impacts, impending loss of jobs, etc.

legomaximumfigure2025-11-03 17:49

Because the companies that spent billions on development of AI models spend millions promoting AI for consumers to use. There still isn't any concrete evidence that AI is needed in any industry that it's being used in and it may turn out to be a fad that eventually phases out.

thePhilosopherTheory2025-11-03 20:06

They would not be investing trillions of dollars if there was a risk AI would just be a fad. Im not really getting your meaning about there not being concrete evidence, that's like saying a chainsaw has no concrete evidence of being a better tool since axes are a thing

alexjf562025-11-03 19:54

TO THE DETRIMENT OF SOCIETY holy fuck use your brain

thePhilosopherTheory2025-11-03 20:03

What the hell are you on about? AI comes with many ethical concerns but to say it has zero human benefit is just willfully ignorant. Thats like saying gasoline fuel has no human benefit

alexjf562025-11-04 16:40

Because people are fucking stupid how hard is that for you to understand? War doesn’t have human benefit but we do those all the time. I forget I’m probably arguing with a child using ai to cheat on homework but use your brain

thePhilosopherTheory2025-11-04 16:52

War is really bad but we keep going back to it because there are benefits (economy, land, power, etc)

Stop being an emotional brat and learn how to think lmfao

alexjf562025-11-04 19:23

Said the loser using ai. Get over yourself

16tdean2025-11-03 17:34

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alexjf562025-11-03 19:55

This is just complete bullshit show any amount of work or evidence because there are mountains of stories of data centers vaporizing drinking water and polluting city centers

Ragnorok31412025-11-04 01:21

Again, the technology itself is not doing that, the companies that are rolling massive models out for widespread use are. An AI on your computer is going to use as much energy as playing a graphics-intensive video game.

It's like saying the internet is bad because it's because of the rise of alt-right communities online. The technology itself is not what's doing that.

KostisPat2572025-11-04 16:38

Not really zero human benefit. AI is being used (and has been used) for research and development of medical tools for example, which does help humanity.

What you're talking about are mainstream LLMs. Those are helpful but not necessary or really help propel the world forward.

ipodblocks3602025-11-03 17:48

I feel like Ultron "scanning" the Internet in Age of Ultron proves that Tony's AIs can also steal content from the Internet if need be.

shwarma_heaven2025-11-03 17:20

It was trained by being off screen...

Incred2025-11-03 17:20

I was under the impression that Jarvis wasn't artificial intelligence. He had real intelligence and didn't simply follow text predictions or anything like that. Just my thought.

I figured that a dude capable of solving time travel over the weekend could create a legit intelligence.

Ranos1312025-11-03 17:30

Artificial intelligence is the term for a computer based intelligence created by someone. So Jarvis is in fact an AI. They even make this obvious in Age of Ultron.

jpiro2025-11-03 17:37

But this post asks us to compare it to "what we know about AI" which is based on the LLMs in use now. Nothing remotely like Jarvis exists, and there are legitimate questions about whether it ever can. (And even more questions about what it would mean for humans if it ever did...which Ultron also covered.)

Ranos1312025-11-03 17:40

And how does any of what you just said change the fact that Jarvis is AI?

LGGP752025-11-03 18:06

Jarvis had to start somewhere…

darthkdub2025-11-03 17:40

Jarvis is an example of Agentic AI or what comes after agentic ai.

Stingerbrg2025-11-04 02:45

Jarvis was AI, just AI as we understood it before the real world programs adopted the term to better market themselves.

KostisPat2572025-11-04 16:43

But an LLM is also AI. They didn't just adopt the term.

KostisPat2572025-11-04 16:45

What do you mean real intelligence? You cannot create a machine capable of conscious thoughts. That's literally impossible, more so than time travel, which, theoretically, with the right tools, could be possible.

D4ngerD4nger2025-11-03 17:26

Where did you get the idea that the Mcu AIs work in the same way like ours?

LGGP752025-11-03 18:00

I’m not assuming anything… this is an open question. I literally said “WOULD their creation raise the same ethical issues as real-world AI?”
You are assuming that I’m assuming

Thomas_JCG2025-11-03 17:27

They are true AI capable of independent thought, don't compare them to the fake that LLMs are. But how they learned, internet. In *Age of Ultron*, Ultron was able to parse the entirety of it in seconds.

Concerns about privacy are exclusively for LLMs because they are geared towards engaging with people to sell. Stark's AIs have no need to pretend to be friends, they will form relationships organically.

oldtomdjinn2025-11-03 17:28

The way LLMS are trained shouldn't be taken as indicative of how any hypothetical Gen AI would arise or function. It's increasingly unlikely that transformer-based architecture will lead directly to something like Jarvis. It will probably be a method we aren't even working on yet.

alkonium2025-11-03 17:28

What we think of as AI is not true AI, as it's not capable of conscious thought.

KostisPat2572025-11-04 16:40

AI will never be capable of conscious thought. I don't think anybody who knows what machine learning does and how AI works expects AI to develop consciousness.

So I'm not sure what "true AI" even is.

alkonium2025-11-04 16:42

Something that's hopefully impossible, because there's two possibilities:

1. It goes rogue and tries to kill us.
2. People hand off their thinking to machines.

Neither is desirable, and the second's happening already.

ipodblocks3602025-11-03 17:38

iirc in the comics, Jarvis is "trained" off Tony's (and I think his Dad's) brain (with some of the info he gives Tony probably coming from online) with his former butler serving as the voice. I have absolutely no clue if this has ever been established in the MCU.

Eccohawk2025-11-03 19:30

He built the arc reactor, which solves much of the power issue quandary, as it's essentially a fusion reactor, which is considered a clean energy source. Ecological concerns around water usage could remain, but the movies seem to gloss over that aspect. I'm certain he had built some fairly large data models within the data centers used for his weapons manufacturing facilities, likely pulling initially from various data mining operations they had done.

But additionally, if the overall pursuits are considered to be for the greater good, then it's far more likely the general public would overlook some of these issues. Alternatively, if you are pushing the policies of a far right extremist and have the personality of a wet fart, you're likely to see a lot of public blowback and a giant hit to your company stocks. Tony gets away with a lot because he's charming and good looking, and pursuing noble endeavors.

spidervenom6192025-11-03 22:55

Jarvis personality was based on Edwin Jarvis, He was made around 1999 to 2007 ish

Ultron was mostly based on his own negative side of personality along with Tony's let's just say very different style of Humor while adding some personality from Banner.

Friday meanwhile we don't know for sure who's she based on but I'll personally believes it's Pepper. I also like to think that Jocasta was based on Natasha instead of Comic Wasp.