Simu Liu Calls 'Avengers: Doomsday' A “Dream Come True”, A “Love Letter To The Entire” Superhero Genre

if Endgame had come out today...

Because I like the more fantasy-like setting of the saga and the heroes involved (Thunderbolts, Loki, Fantastic Four etc.), as well as the introduction of my favorite Marvel comics villain.

Ok

In Infinity War and Endgame, every character has their own preparation. What do the box office have to do with it? Endgame's $3 billion gross proves that the film is being watched even by those who haven't followed the entire saga, given the enormous difference in results.

Box office isn’t the same post Covid. Disney doesn’t have the Chinese market anymore like they did for phases 1-3. Plus inflation hamstrings people’s ability to buy tickets. And there’s Disney+ for streaming if people are patient. Phase 4-6 are hitting theaters during a different time period where you can’t really compare box office numbers. If you look at movie sales plus week one D+ streaming numbers, the “views” are comparable to phase 1-3. Do people pay for D+ specifically for MCU, though? Does that count as box office numbers? No. But there is some metric there that Disney is aware of. My point is box office numbers don’t have anything to do with it anymore. It’s impossible to compare.

honestly at this point, those "misfits" are all in their fifties. When I was growing up, comic books were niche but not "misfit"; Spider-Man was the biggest movie at the box office.

If you are twenty year old boy watching Doomsday--the target audience for that movie--the first Avengers movie came out when you were seven and became the most successful non-James Cameron movie ever. I don't think its a misfit thing anymore.

Throwback to Star Wars episode 9 that they said had a script that was "every fan's dream"

"Oh, but what will we do with them, we hear you say? MATTERS NOT! They're here! Be HAPPY! GIVE US YOUR MONEH!"

Incoming cameo fest and ANOTHER tribute to the fox universe....

I wouldn’t go off of what’s essentially a What If…? series for how a character is going to be written in film.

> he will be the comedic relief

That's nothing special considering that's probably an apt description for like, 80% of all Marvel protagonists nowadays...

I mean let's be honest, most of them are going to be comic relief.

Nobody whose last name isn't "Richards", and who doesn't already have a close enough relationship with Tony Stark to be freaked out that he's evil now, is going to have a personal reason for opposing Doom. I genuinely can't imagine what most of the characters' arcs are going to be in the movie.

Apparently that’s been in development for years but obviously keeps getting pushed back.

Tbh I don’t think that any of the announced characters will be cameos, I think they’re all main cast

When have the russos ever done that ?

Yeah but even if it is all fan service I’ll still enjoy it. I love seeing all the characters pop up

I thoroughly trust the Russo brothers. The same writers who worked on TWS are also involved.. I have high hopes!

I'm cautiously optimistic, but getting my fists ready to judge it fairly and curb stomp some grifters

I think it's going to be great, and people who love Marvel movies will love it, but the Internet will turn on it over the most trivial nonsense and "critical consensus" will call it "middling" and say dismissive stuff like "it's no Endgame".

I'm already girding myself for that and preparing to ignore all of it, because that's just how the culture works now. Like what you like, let people like stuff, and if it's not your bag move on.

Well… we have Avenger Infinity War and Endgame; as well as Spiderman No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine… they were complex, with bunch of actors in it, well though thru, and generally speaking, people liked these movies a lot. Additionally, the last 2 movies, Thunderbolts and Fantastic 4, were well received as well. So they have good examples of what we like and what seems to work.

I don’t want to get super confident we will get the best movie ever… but MCU really needs this movie to work, so I’m confident they will try their best to make a quality movie.

Yeah, I don't think they're putting the right kind of effort in.

It *really* feels like Disney, Marvel et. al have been trying to speedrun a new IW/Endgame because they want that again, only someone explained to them that "IW/E only happened after thirty movies of build up" so they went "ok, so have thirty movies and shows come out over the course of three years, is that enough build up? It better be!"

Like, I know IW was like "the big Marvel movie", but it was also still Avengers 3. Like--it's the second sequel to Avengers 1. It exists because there was an Avengers 1, and it continues the plot and character arcs from that movie. **We needed a new Avengers 1, not a new Avengers 3, and we never got it**.

Good point, and I'm optimistic that they can deliver a great experience with the two movies, but the real question is do they have a plan for afterwards. Infinity War/Endgame was also a fantastic one-two punch that rewarded MCU fans for keeping up, but was also approachable enough that general audiences were able to dive in and enjoy it without knowing too much about the MCU ("He's from space. He came here to steal a necklace from a wizard.")

...and then all the goodwill they had from those movies kind of fizzled out when the audience (MCU or not) realized there wasn't really a plan for afterwards. It *felt* like (not saying it's true) they kept introducing new heroes with minimal crossover. Phase 4/5 came and went with a bunch of new heroes introduced or sequels to heroes, but no Avengers movie to tie them all together and make it feel coherent.

So my hope is that these two Avengers movies are able to reignite people's excitement and bring them in, and then *keep* that momentum going with a coherent, actual plan that isn't too much all at once. You can just recreate the Phase 1-3 formula of 3 central characters (Iron Man, Cap, and Thor) that get a movie every phase or so along with new heroes, and every phase is capped off with an Avengers movie.

The general audience won't always keep up with every new Marvel flick, but the Avengers name still has enough power to draw them in. Here's to hoping the lessons they learned from 2025 carry over into the new phase, it can only mean good things for the fans.

All true as well.