Rogue could be Carol Danvers' most personal and fitting antagonist yet
**TL;DR:** *Carol vs Rogue is a fitting next step for Carol’s arc* ***if*** *it doesn’t end in a coma or death. Instead of replacing her, this story could* ***strengthen*** *Carol’s character by tying her to the next era of the MCU.*
Whether Marvel Studios should adapt the iconic Captain Marvel vs Rogue showdown is one of the most debated topics in the fandom. Some view it as disrespectful to Carol and Brie Larson, while others see it as exactly the kind of crossover the MCU was made for.
The common assumption is that Rogue would “replace” Carol by putting her into a coma and writing her out of the MCU. While that *is* close to what happens in the comics, the MCU doesn’t have to follow that beat-for-beat. Carol doesn’t need to disappear, and she certainly doesn’t need to *die*.
**Carol Danvers** **always gets back up.**
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Carol would take time to physically recover from having her powers drained by Rogue, but she would be eager to get back into the fight: (Insert plot of the movie). Maybe in the meantime, Riri could build her a suit. And yes, *eventually she gets her powers back*.
In the comics, Carol becomes **Binary** – one of the most powerful versions of herself – *after* losing her powers to Rogue and then later being experimented on by the Brood.
In the MCU, she reached near-Binary levels in her first film. In *The Marvels,* her powers became dangerous to use without precise teamwork. So, a third chapter arc where Carol loses her abilities entirely and must work with others to reclaim them tracks thematically.
There’s also a meta angle. A vocal minority of trolls have been insisting for years that Carol should be written out of the MCU. But letting Rogue take her powers for 2/3rds of a film isn’t giving in to that, it’s letting Carol *prove them wrong* by putting her through the ultimate test, truly learning the value of her powers and coming back even stronger.
Some of these "fans" just want Rogue to be the flirty southern belle from the cartoon. But this story lets her be more than that. It gives her guilt, growth, and a path to redemption guided by her new mentors in the X-Men and even Carol herself. Kamala could be another integral link in this story as both a young mutant and Carol's friend.
On top of all that, Captain Marvel vs Rogue would look incredible onscreen. It's a physical and psychological matchup with emotional stakes that could easily be a spectacle on par with Doctor Strange vs Thanos, Wanda vs Xavier, or Spider-Man vs Mysterio.
There are far fewer iconic women rivalries in superhero media compared to the countless male ones. Carol vs Rogue is one of the most famous and meaningful rivalries between women that Marvel has. It would be a shame to pass on the opportunity to see it in live action.
Whether Marvel Studios should adapt the iconic Captain Marvel vs Rogue showdown is one of the most debated topics in the fandom. Some view it as disrespectful to Carol and Brie Larson, while others see it as exactly the kind of crossover the MCU was made for.
The common assumption is that Rogue would “replace” Carol by putting her into a coma and writing her out of the MCU. While that *is* close to what happens in the comics, the MCU doesn’t have to follow that beat-for-beat. Carol doesn’t need to disappear, and she certainly doesn’t need to *die*.
**Carol Danvers** **always gets back up.**
https://i.redd.it/lsrgoo295ryf1.gif
https://i.redd.it/6alsda3c5ryf1.gif
Carol would take time to physically recover from having her powers drained by Rogue, but she would be eager to get back into the fight: (Insert plot of the movie). Maybe in the meantime, Riri could build her a suit. And yes, *eventually she gets her powers back*.
In the comics, Carol becomes **Binary** – one of the most powerful versions of herself – *after* losing her powers to Rogue and then later being experimented on by the Brood.
In the MCU, she reached near-Binary levels in her first film. In *The Marvels,* her powers became dangerous to use without precise teamwork. So, a third chapter arc where Carol loses her abilities entirely and must work with others to reclaim them tracks thematically.
There’s also a meta angle. A vocal minority of trolls have been insisting for years that Carol should be written out of the MCU. But letting Rogue take her powers for 2/3rds of a film isn’t giving in to that, it’s letting Carol *prove them wrong* by putting her through the ultimate test, truly learning the value of her powers and coming back even stronger.
Some of these "fans" just want Rogue to be the flirty southern belle from the cartoon. But this story lets her be more than that. It gives her guilt, growth, and a path to redemption guided by her new mentors in the X-Men and even Carol herself. Kamala could be another integral link in this story as both a young mutant and Carol's friend.
On top of all that, Captain Marvel vs Rogue would look incredible onscreen. It's a physical and psychological matchup with emotional stakes that could easily be a spectacle on par with Doctor Strange vs Thanos, Wanda vs Xavier, or Spider-Man vs Mysterio.
There are far fewer iconic women rivalries in superhero media compared to the countless male ones. Carol vs Rogue is one of the most famous and meaningful rivalries between women that Marvel has. It would be a shame to pass on the opportunity to see it in live action.
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May even lead to avengers vs x-men
Although having her depowered afer endgame maybe would make an interesting solo movie.
But anyway i would love a more comic inspired, by having her vs rogue
I feel like people forget that she still *lost* the fight to Thanos in that movie. Carol's presence in that movie is to introduce a character stronger than all the others and *still have it not be enough*. It's Ant-Man's insight and Tony's sacrifice that win the day.
So bring Kamala back and explore interesting parallels of family dynamics?
Carol investigates a "shapeshifter" stirring up trouble. (Is it a Skrull? Nope, it's Mystique.) She's ambushed and drained of her powers. After recovering, she is desperate to attend the long-awaited Kree-Skrull Peace Summit and finds herself stranded in space, powerless, and stalked by the deadly Brood. Kamala assembles a rescue team including Rogue, who becomes the key to finding Carol and helping stop the Brood from reigniting the Kree-Skrull war.
Carol gets her powers back when she overcomes her mental struggle.
With Iger no longer around as of next year, new leadership could recognize that the sequel was fumbled big time and not an accurate reflection of the character’s appeal.
In all of the history of Hollywood, I don't believe there has ever been a case where a movie lost hundreds of millions of dollars and had a sequel made for it.
I will reiterate, Hollywood has never made a sequel to a movie that lost hundreds of millions of dollars. Not one. Ever. It's not going to change now.
They're not going to use the character again, they don't revisit characters that lost that much money.
Disney is going to spend the money on a character who has not lost money and has potential to make money, not on a character who has already lost staggering amounts of money. Any time spent with Carol on the screen is time that could've been spent on a different character who doesn't have reception problems.
How are they gonna just ignore the fact that Monica is trapped in the same universe as the X-Men that are IN THE MOVIE.
Like you have to be legitimately stupid to think that's just going to be dropped.
It certainly gave it a big boost. Multiverse of Madness made close to a billion dollar, arguably because No Way Home’s post credit scene gave it a huge boost.
Your disclaimer is much appreciated, as is your telling off of a certain [person]. :)
I like this idea! Because of how the marketing side of things works, I don't think it'll happen in a "Captain Marvel" film, but it could still totally happen.
> they don't revisit characters that lost that much money.
They've already revisited Kamala Khan, & they've announced plans to revisit her further.
Rogue has been my favorite character for decades and this kind of story is what I've been dreaming of since the original CM movie.
But stepping back, I have to wonder, what is it about comics people-- writers and fans- that makes them like depowering women so much? I mean it happens over and over again, and it follows a pretty similar path. Which makes me think it's related of the Women in Refrigerators trope?
It’s not just women. It’s a common superhero trope in general.
Like if we're using the Thor example, Captain Marvel's first movie was mostly her not being really that strong; she gets super strong at the end.
Rogue taking Captain Marvel's powers is definitely a good setup for a potential Avengers vs X-Men film if that is in the cards
Duh.
Because it's competently written and not the usual wall of text dribble we get here?
Rogue would also feel natural considering kamala is a confirm mutant and the post credit scene literally had one of the main mutant from the X-men.
We got her solo movie, set in the 90s. Then she’s gone for 30 years, shows up in endgame, and then a single movie where she deals with the fallout of the 30 years we didn’t see. She probably gets nothing until whatever her role in doomsday and secret wars is.
I just don’t think her next arc should be losing her powers