Anyone else think it’s weird how What If didn’t even bother with Quicksilver at all

Probably a major plot that could’ve been explored is What if Quicksilver lived.

What happens if he’s in the equation for Civil War, Infinity War. Then in exchange Hawkeye is most likely dead. They could even tied in Kate Biship sooner.

But no instead we get beastiality egg baby and Agatha doing boring 1920s movies. I guess it’s a canon event that MCU Quicksilver dies and stays dead.

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legion_XXX2025-11-01 21:25

Nope. I thought it was a silly part of wanda vision to be honest.

Butt__Sexington2025-11-01 21:27

Guivond2025-11-01 21:28

I figured he's too overpowered to be in many stories which is why they killed him in AoU in an unconvincing way for someone with his powers in the first place.

OvechknFiresHeScores2025-11-01 21:35

I was SO excited at first because they made it seem like Wanda had just opened the multiverse for the first time and ripped another version of her brother into their universe, setting the stage for the X-Men to be introduced into the MCU…aaaaaand it all just turned out to be a third grade boner joke instead.

Subject-Ad50712025-11-01 21:51

Lmao and then MoM she forgets about Vision AND her brother lol. Just steal kids that look like your children and don’t think about it being creepy.

Iorith2025-11-01 22:03

People dealing with trauma aren't logical, you say? I am shocked.

Subject-Ad50712025-11-01 22:04

Lmao she was more logical in WandaVision, let’s remember that. And she was heavily grieving from a fresh tragedy. This movie? Best we can do is evil book.

It makes no fucking sense lmao. Her kids are “lost in the multiverse”. Where the hell’d that come from. That’s like flooding your own house to kill your family and saying your family is lost in the Himalayas. I lived in America, btw.

IBJON2025-11-01 22:12

Did you not watch MoM at all or listen whenever they mention the Darkhold?

Subject-Ad50712025-11-01 22:15

What’d I miss… that movie wasn’t rocket science. Evil book make people evil by “showing what they want to see”. There’s a reason why the One Ring type things don’t work in a lot of stories lol.

Here’s the BS. Wanda even at her worst didn’t kill people. Even in WandaVision, she didn’t harm a single person who tried to kill her and her family. She went out of her way to SAVE them from Agatha. They need to do a better job of using herself to corrupt herself lol.

IBJON2025-11-01 22:26

> What’d I miss

You seemed to have missed the part about the Darkhold feeding into the user's desires and pushing them to do whatever necessary to get what they want. Pair that with her already unstable emotional state and it's not exactly a stretch that she'd go to extreme lengths to get what she thought she should have.

> Evil book make people evil by “showing what they want to see”

Yes, everything can be made to sound ridiculous when you oversimplify thing and reduce them down to a single sentence. She wanted her family back, but she had already accepted that Vision was gone. The book showed her that her kids exist elsewhere in the multiverse and that the *only* way she could get them back was to find them in the multiverse and take them.

> Here’s the BS. Wanda even at her worst didn’t kill people

So Wanda killing people in MoM wasn't at her worst? The events of Wanda vision happened before she isolated herself for who knows how long with the Darkhold. She was already in a bad spot during Wanda vision; people don't just wake up one day and be cured of trauma, grief, or other disorder. People expecting her to just say "oops" at the end of WandaVision and going back to her old self are incredibly naive

Subject-Ad50712025-11-01 22:36

Wanda killing is like Batman killing… you can’t just have your character go back on their moral, no matter how “realistic” it is. There’s a reason why fiction isn’t reality. Let’s remember Wanda said ai ain’t a monster near the end. Wanda, you murdered hundreds of people… this movie is character assassination whether you like it or not. But maybe you and other people don’t think so because the writers themselves said they pooped out the script after changing the story millions of times.

IBJON2025-11-01 22:47

Since when is not killing a defining part of Wanda's character? And who are you to decide what lines people do and don't cross?

Spider-Man has a no killing policy as well, and we watched Tobey Macguire's Spider-Man kill Sandman (as far as he knew at the time), and Tom Holland's Spider-Man was seconds away from de-braining the Green Goblin before he was stopped.

You're assuming people in a compromised mental and emotional state are going to behave predictablly, and that people don't change, especially under extreme duress. That's not how things work.

npc8882025-11-01 22:05

Trauma aside, she just...forgets Vision? The man she loved SO much? Also, if she wanted kids, there was...OTHER ways...

Subject-Ad50712025-11-01 22:32

She could reactivate the hex after she masters it.

SharpshootinTearaway2025-11-01 22:40

Vision would have tried to stop her, which would go against whatever the Darkhold was trying to corrupt her into doing at the time. Makes sense that the Darkhold would corrupt her in a way that makes her forget about the one person who could have threatened its influence on her.

The movie would have been over in 15 minutes. Wanda finds a Vision variant. He calms her down and sweet-talks her into destroying the Darkhold. The End.

GeoJumper2025-11-01 23:24

"This isn't you, Wanda. This isn't who you worked so hard to be. Destroy the book, my dear."

Ben10_ripoff2025-11-01 23:53

And then they have steamy hot mind stone Vibranium sex.

GeoJumper2025-11-02 13:59

Can't wait for that movie.

JakePent2025-11-02 02:50

Maybe have her stumble upon a vision variant

forfor2025-11-01 23:12

She didn't forget about vision though, her grief and trauma over his death was a big part of wandavision. It's just that she got some closure with him and then had emotional transference with the trauma of losing her children where that became the focus of her grief

Cold-Dot-73082025-11-01 23:27

She wanted facsimile of her kids that already were real in an alternate time. What’s hard to understand- vision would stop her if she made him then so maybe she would later on. Plus she never truly had time to think , the movie was “very world ending if we don’t stop it now” from a cosmic perspective. It’s not a bad film. Let’s pick a bad film and tear it apart not that one

Any-Transition952025-11-02 02:19

The whole point of WandaVision was Wanda's arc in dealing with her grief over Vision. Feels like a lot of people completely ignore this.

ITworksGuys2025-11-01 22:48

Vision and Pietro probably wouldn't approve of what she was doing.

Nonadventures2025-11-01 21:53

Kinda weird with all of her universe hopping to get kids and she doesn’t pick up a Pietro on the way.

Prize-Individual94302025-11-02 05:55

And she sure forgot about Vision quickly...

Aivellac2025-11-02 09:11

This has "Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet" energy.

fast_flashdash2025-11-01 22:29

They weren’t going to introduce mutants into the mcu through a Disney plus scarlet witch show.

OvechknFiresHeScores2025-11-02 00:48

Maybe not but it seemed like they were opening the door for them to come soon/later instead of a complete fakeout.

CaptHayfever2025-11-02 03:24

Especially not one that was being written before the merger was finalized.

Krimreaper12025-11-01 22:50

I think the writers can no idea what the backlash was going to be for a stupid joke:

mahtaliel2025-11-01 23:21

It was so evil as well. So many of us wanted Evan Peters in the MCU as quicksilver and they gave it to us and then took it away just as fast.

obscurefalloutboyson2025-11-03 03:02

yeah right i felt almost vindictive. "fuck this guy, our franchise is way better than fox x men, we won!" salt in the wound. cant imagine how evan peters mustve felt

Arealperson_12025-11-02 00:49

Honestly this killed the MCU for me. And I’m a super fan. It showed the writers are willing to screw fans over and use fan theories against us.

Dogesneakers2025-11-01 21:48

He should probably be bullet proof to run as fast as he does also

Selfless-One2025-11-01 22:15

Logically, he should be but Why? If someone like flash isn't bulletproof, why should he?

Dogesneakers2025-11-01 22:19

He’s not? Doesn’t he run fast and use that speed to throw punches? I guess just explain it as speed force but I don’t think quicksliver has that

Selfless-One2025-11-01 22:39

Yeah, Hence why I said logically he should be bulletproof but he isn't. Scientifically, moving at the speed at sound, drops of water or even dust particles would be able to pierce your skin

But hey, it's fiction

StellarNeonJellyfish2025-11-02 02:47

Yeah at those speeds the skin would be pulled off your muscles and your bones would crack just from inertia. The ability to move at super speeds always implies some ancillary powers that make it physically possible to achieve.

Subject-Ad50712025-11-01 21:50

Funny thing is, he’s not OP for a speedster. He’s slower than bullets.

OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT2025-11-01 21:51

He's faster than bullets, in that scene he just wasn't fast enough to push someone out of the way AND move out of the way himself

plus it's a shit scene

Subject-Ad50712025-11-01 21:53

Nah, in a slow mo scene, he is slower than a bullet and he gets shot by a policeman.

Rampagingflames2025-11-01 22:26

It would probably be better to say he moves at the same speed as bullets, maybe a bit faster.

Ralph--Hinkley2025-11-02 00:59

I thought the point of killing off the MCU Quicksilver was so Fox could explore Evan Peters in the role?

ZekeorSomething2025-11-01 21:58

This Quicksilver ain’t as fast nor op as Fox quicksilver. I think it would’ve been easier to deal with him in the writing than the other.

OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT2025-11-01 22:00

character like Thor and Cap are still in slow motion to him in the MCU

just shows how OP even "slow" speedsters are

super speed is easier to depict in comics than live action

how many people just like "oh well Spider-Man has spider-sense, so he can tag XYZ speedster)

once you go to live action, you have to see the movement, and it doesn't make sense for a character to suddenly "combat speed" his speed upwards

you moving in slow motion, so nothing you do should catch the speedster off gaurd

character can't pull a Superman vs Flash in Justice League where Superman suddenly responds to Flash cause they don't have the required Super Speed

or rather that can't without it looking silly

deekaydubya2025-11-01 22:18

these comments are funny, lol there are plenty of ways to deal with OP heroes. There are already several in the MCU roster

OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT2025-11-01 22:20

The best ways to deal with OP characters are

A) make them dumb (not MCU, but CW Flash is a master case of this. Adam Warlock also works)

B) make them ignore powers (Vision forgets he had intangibility a lot, Thanos used the stones in very ineffective ways)

C) write them out for large portions of the story (Captain Marvel)

D) make their powers really inconsistent and random and up to the whims of the writer (Scarlet Witch)

E) nerf them (Thanos becomes a 100% melee fighter and loses his secondary power, Hulk lacks the ex

CaptHayfever2025-11-02 03:26

F) present conflicts that can't be resolved just by brute force.

OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT2025-11-02 03:31

not really all that practical

you can't have Dr. Strange time trap Dormamu every time

or win with the power of friendship and stop Sentry

there are obviously ways to write things

Defeating Hela by using Surtur is good

but most of the time, it's a brute force fight

Odd-Syllabub-95722025-11-02 06:45

You do realize comics also counters characters all the time right? Hell, Quicksilver isn't even the fastest speedster in Marvel at all, so it deosn't make sense to say that "comics do powers better" when in live action, he's literally shown to be countered multiple times. Hell even if he was "OP" he's not doing shit to Thanos or someone like Loki. Maybe do some more research before spouting.

SharpshootinTearaway2025-11-01 22:49

Before he dies, there are at least 3 scenes showing him being out of breath and needing a moment to collect himself, though. Seemed like their way of showing us that he was somewhat limited by his stamina.

At the end of the fight against Ultron, maybe he was simply just... exhausted? Hence why he couldn't go as fast as he is previously shown to be, when saving Clint.

Myst3rySteve2025-11-01 22:08

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OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT2025-11-01 22:37

that's cause comics are drawn, you don't have to show the slow mo

Myst3rySteve2025-11-02 04:58

You also don't *just* have to do slow-mo. Eternals just made the character fast and I'll bet it was cheaper to do as well. Though I could be wrong on that part

Slade4Lucas2025-11-01 23:58

And Wanda isn't...?

Guivond2025-11-02 00:45

I'd argue AoU Wanda really wasn't.

CycloneJ0ker2025-11-02 00:03

Kind of undercuts the many years he's been an Avenger in the comicswithout carrying. People love to say Speedsters are OP without even considering ways to counter it.

Zabadaboom2025-11-02 00:09

“He was too overpowered” they did a literal episode about Captain Carter getting the infinity armour, Hela’s helmet, that sword, and whatever else they gave her. There’s also the episode where Hela & Wenwu team up, there’s one where a person and a duck birth a god, there’s obviously Infinity Ultron, etc. A lot of the stories end with op characters

NotAStatistic22025-11-02 02:52

Why didn't he just move Hawkeye and that kid out of the way instead of putting a car in front of them like 20mm rounds can't go through a fucking car?

_IratePirate_2025-11-02 05:25

Yea look how strong Makkari is

I’m sure she’s leagues faster than Quicksilver tho.

ipostatrandom2025-11-01 21:28

You mean you weren't wondering about what if "mech suits", what if "duck baby", what if "thor party"??

SpinnerOfSquire2025-11-01 21:47

hey two of those are good episodes (we dont talk about Darcy the Duck Fucker)

ipostatrandom2025-11-02 03:08

The mech episode bothers me most because it's not just a question no one asked but it also has no bearing on the overall plot some other unasked questions at least lead to, making it extra pointless.

I think it was made to give us a current roster of avengers without actually having them fight as a team, because of the mech suits.

atomcrafter2025-11-02 10:53

I did like the pairing of Sam and Bruce.

CaptHayfever2025-11-02 03:28

Darcy & Howard is a direct followup to Party Thor.

SpinnerOfSquire2025-11-02 03:29

I wish it wasn't, it ruined a perfectly ok episode :(

_Levitated_Shield_2025-11-01 22:17

We literally have a bunch of irl nepo babies who are inconsiderate of their actions. Party Thor made perfect sense.

ipostatrandom2025-11-01 23:36

But is it a question you asked yourself before "what if Quicksilver lived"?

_Levitated_Shield_2025-11-02 00:07

Yes? Many people were already asking for years "What if Odin didn't adopt Loki?".

Aglet_Green2025-11-01 21:28

No, I don't think it's weird at all. Not after the 83rd time they did an episode just about Captain Carter and her amazing female friends.

_Levitated_Shield_2025-11-01 22:18

Wha-?

CaptHayfever2025-11-02 03:30

Seven. There are only seven episodes with Captain Carter in them, & four of those are season-finale crossovers.

PaymentTurbulent1932025-11-01 21:29

Yeah, it was an obvious hook for an episode.

Bing_Bong_the_Archer2025-11-01 21:30

Very strange, I agree

MaderaArt2025-11-01 21:31

Maybe. Who am I to judge?

blaintopel2025-11-01 21:30

could have easily included him in the what if ultron won scenario. the only survivors shown in that world were hawkeye and black widow for some reason, and ultron wins in that episode before the battle in Sokovia even takes place.

Also it would be a fun ironic twist that in the scenario where ultron won, the one person who did NOT make it in the normal timeline could be the one person who does survive, and it would make decent sense that quicksilver would be the one who could survive in a world dominated by ultron drones.

i hated just about everything about what if though. im not sure why people defend it so much imo it was secret invasion tier.

Ragnarok_6192025-11-01 22:06

What if was legitimately decent in S1, hard carried by ep 4 (just like Supreme Strange carries the Guardians in the finale). It a went downhill in S2

blaintopel2025-11-01 22:52

i respect that most people hold the opinion that season 1 was at least good but i disagree. the strange episode was indeed good ill admit that but even most of the season 1 scenarios were kind of stupid.

T'Challa star lord was not as cool as normal star lord or black panther, so hes a lamer version of two different characters, Party Thor was just a reason to bring in a million cameos and have dumb jokes like Darcy getting it on with a duck? The fact that that actually became a relevant plot point in season 2 is so atrociously bad but everyone knows that so i wont dwell on that.

The "humor" throughout the entire series is like if you took a parody of the types of jokes the MCU is made fun of for having, and then multiplied that by a hundred. Every scene had a "hes right behind me isnt he?" type line that made me cringe into my skull.

There wasnt a single character in the entire series except strange that felt like it was the same character as their live action counterpart.

Hank Pym killing the Avengers was kind of cool but his reason for doing it made no sense. If he was mad at SHIELD why did he just kill a bunch of people that at the time had nothing to do with SHIELD? Why kill Banner, or Thor, or Stark? and not kill Fury? Stark i can kind of get because he knows his dad was a founder of SHIELD, but Thor for all he knew was just some dude trying to lift a hammer, and Banner had zero ties to the organization.

The animation is so coated with digital slop it looks like a flash cartoon. I could go on, i really hated that show. i dont have anything against the people who enjoyed it though i wish i could have enjoyed it too.

PornoPaul2025-11-02 04:02

If you go back and really pay attention to how theyre written, its clear they had a chip on their shoulder over RDJ not returning to voice his characters. He's one of the only actors not to, and Tony Stark gets killed in all of his appearances. And pretty unceremoniously in like, 2 of them. The only one I can think of where he doesn't is the one where Kilmonger saves his life, and then Tony figures his game out. Except somehow Kilmonger defeats Tony \*in his own house\* against a robot Tony designs and builds specifically to take down Kilmonger. Tony, by that time in the main timeline, was (I believe) building an army of Iron Man suits that flew themselves. I get the idea is that he would have not gotten as far because he was not pressed into making better and better suits, but the one thing he was good at was building Iron Man suits that fit their need. It was always that whatever took him by surprise, he'd fix next time. That one in particular felt like a real middle finger because they needed Kilmonger to win, so they bent over backwards for it.

Nerdy-Boomer652025-11-01 21:35

Marvel and /or the MCU, needs a better speedster than Quicksilver

North1172025-11-01 21:44

Wrong on multiple parts. 1 Quicksilver is a great character. 2 Marvel has many speedsters. 3 Even the MCU has more speedsters

KingOvDownvotes2025-11-01 21:37

Speedsters are hard to write so they don’t keep them around at all. They are just way too powerful.

j--__2025-11-01 21:38

> Anyone else think it’s weird how What If didn’t even bother with Quicksilver at all

you didn't see that coming?

NeoZ33D2025-11-01 21:52

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Bitter_Magician4052025-11-01 22:55

right? its a missed opportunity for sure, so many possibilities with him around

KwisatzHaderach942025-11-01 23:27

and aaron taylor-johnson probably has time on his schedule to do the voice. unfortunately that reminds me that not a single mcu actor can do a proper eastern-european/slavic accent except maybe melina (rachel weisz).

Meizas2025-11-02 00:38

Yelena's is very good - better than Aaron's. Red Guardian's goes in and out, mostly just stereotypical but it's okay. When Nat says one thing in Russian it's absolutely atrocious. Rachel Weisz's is phenomenal and could pass as Eastern European. I feel like I'm missing someone...

Source: me, living in Eastern Europe.

SippinOnHatorade2025-11-02 03:30

I’ve always thought Yelena’s was pretty forced but I’m not from Eastern Europe so I’ll take your word for it

supreme_mushroom2025-11-02 10:41

I've met many Russians and Yelena's accent is one of the worst most hackneyed Russian accents I've ever heard.

Meizas2025-11-02 16:08

Yelena's is good. I promise. I speak Lithuanian, Ukrainian, and Russian, and that region is my home. I hear Slavic / eastern European accents every day of my life. Hers and Rachel Weisz's are both good, Rachel's is better

Most of everyone else's is bad or stereotypical lol

j--__2025-11-02 07:01

>and aaron taylor-johnson probably has time on his schedule to do the voice.

he joined _age of ultron_ on the condition that his character die. he didn't want to come back and he still may not want to, not even as a voice.

solidus00792025-11-02 01:45

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ContentAssumption2042025-11-01 21:38

They didn’t bother with Rocket Racoon in the show either. Could they not find a Bradley Cooper impressionist or something?

FightTheDead1182025-11-01 21:39

At this point I am convinced that they’re trying to acknowledge this version of Quicksilver as little as possible because they want to bring back Aaron Taylor Johnson as a different role and they don’t want to remind people he was already in the mcu

StatisticianLivid7102025-11-01 21:50

Bring him back as Kraven the Hunter!

Street_Mall95362025-11-01 21:55

They should make a movie about that, it would be a hit!

El_Presidente3762025-11-01 21:41

Let me rephrashe this: "Anyone else think it's wierd how What If didn't even bother at all?"

Jet-Let46062025-11-01 21:41

They didn't see that coming.

North1172025-11-01 21:42

Marvel Zombies Quicksilver would have been amazing. Quicksilver is completely underused in the MCU

repalec2025-11-01 21:43

I feel like they could've done a real nice episode regarding the events of WandaVision with a still-living Pietro. Like, off the top of my head you could still absolutely do the fake Pietro bit (and maybe have that lead into an MCU Quicksilver vs. FOX(-adjacent) Quicksilver fight in the finale); you could do some heartbreaking scenes as Pietro tries to sprint into the Hex to try and reach Wanda and comfort her in her grief but gets repelled out of it at the last moment.

The pieces are there if they'd ever wanna do a fourth season, but I'm not paid by Marvel to go any further than this.

PhantomOverlord912025-11-01 21:47

They’d rather focus on Howard the Duck and the Eternals.

Nonadventures2025-11-01 21:55

Understandable that Howard wanted to crack Darcy

Subject-Ad50712025-11-01 21:49

Nah, we need Darcy banging Howard instead lol.

SonicFlash012025-11-01 23:30

Bad premise, turned out real fun, though

SailorET2025-11-02 05:23

Y'all can hate all you want but I legitimately liked Byrdie.

CaptEpicFail12025-11-02 06:09

Ngl it’s gonna be wild seeing her pop up in Secret Wars

YoshiTheDog4202025-11-01 21:50

“What If” was a massive disappointment in light of its potential. It truly showed the mediocrity of the writers surrounding these properties and the over influence of the MCU machine.

djangogator2025-11-01 22:51

Exactly. It sucks.

chernogumby2025-11-02 01:10

Yeah What If should've been more like an anthology of what if this plot point happened differently, not what if this character was this one haha or was in this other disconnected movie also they're all part of some overarching story for fucking What If for reasons unknown

I'm not saying all the episodes like that were bad, and there were a lot of entertaining ideas here and there, but at that point it's just throwing random multiverse slop at the wall

tenehemia2025-11-02 03:59

Precisely. I mean, What If is inherently multiversal. But that doesn't mean you need to connect the stories. It's completely okay to say "this story is happening in another version of reality and has no bearing on anything else". I'm not sure how they fumbled that extremely simple idea which is the foundation of the entire What If label going back to 1977.

99percentmilktea2025-11-02 08:01

To this day I still have no idea why they were so obsessed with Captain Carter.

Also, you could tell the writers stopped giving a fuck about the premise of the show once they decided to use it as a vehicle to do backdoor pilots for their OCs or writing slash fic about Darcy and Howard the Duck.

badken2025-11-01 21:51

Aaron Taylor-Johnson is too expensive now since Kraven the Hunter was such a smash. 😶

Just goofing. I do enjoy several of his other roles, like Kick-Ass, the timefighter in Tenet, Dad in 28 Years Later.

harmoniaatlast2025-11-01 22:11

I'd say this is a reflection of Marvel's disregard for X characters in movies, but Quicksilver and Wanda spent sooooo much time with the Avengers over the years only for Quicksilver to get less screen time than Blade, Elektra, literally anyone honestly

N8CCRG2025-11-01 22:23

I loved him in Nosferatu. Bullet Train too.

I don't know how they did it, but they made Kraven *boring*.

UsernameFor20162025-11-01 21:51

The main story for the whole What if series was What If No One Remembers Quicksilver Ever Existed?

DownhillSisyphus2025-11-01 21:52

Some kind of licensing deal. He could be in Age of Ultron, but nothing else.

ContentAssumption2042025-11-01 22:07

They now own Fox and the movie rights have nothing to do with the cartoon rights anyway. They recently used Quicksilver in X-Men 97.

eagc72025-11-01 22:17

the whole rights thing does not apply to animated series, there is a reason why they opted to do Marvel Zombies as a series instead of a movie as orginally planned because of the whole issue with Sony

Besides, contrary to popular belief, there was no agreement that only one studio could use one of the Maximoff twins at a time (as far we know they could use both at the same time), it was Joss Whedon who made the call to kill Pietro not the lawyers

ashl0w2025-11-01 21:53

Nah don't talk smack about Howard

Larry_Kenwood2025-11-01 21:55

Doesn't even do him justice for the fact he held and moved bullets in X-men: Days of Future past

TylerHyena2025-11-01 21:56

A lot of characters weren’t included in What If? though, I mean they could’ve done an episode where Dormammu succeeds in consuming earth or Thor or Loki learning about Hela long before Odin’s death or something like that.

OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT2025-11-01 21:57

Speedsters are a pain in the ass to write

I'm honestly convinced that's why they killed him off in the first place

I'm not getting into a power scaling debate here about "Combat Speed", but in general, Marvel limits super speed more than DC does

so many of DC's main heavies have super speed (Superman, WW, Shazam, Black Adam, MM, etc) along with an entire family of Speed Force users

Marvel on the other hand limits it

Hulk, Juggernaut, Thing, Colossus, Thor (well Thor technically has it but rarely uses it)

True DC style characters like Sentry/Hpyerion/BlueMarvel/Gladiator don't take center stage as much

So when making the live action MCU, they just didn't feel like bringing in speedsters, and got rid of the main one as soon as they could (the other one is in limbo in the Eternals)

we never got a DC film after Justice League that actually included Superman, but just image writing a plot with a Superman who actually uses super speed in combat as he did against Steppenwolf

Flash sorta skates by on being an idiot

ContentAssumption2042025-11-01 22:30

MCU Quicksilver was extremely slow for a speedster. He can’t freeze time like Fox-verse Quicksilver and he’s obviously nowhere near Flash level. Thor’s hammer is still clearly moving when we see his speedster POV in the boat fight scene.

He only dies because Whedon wanted to kill off a character and the Fox Quicksilver might’ve caused confusion so Pietro was the obvious target of the AOU cast.

I doubt anyone at Marvel cared about the logistics of writing for a character that can be outpaced by the Silver Surfer easily. The fact that Makarri is still alive proves this.

KennKennyKenKen2025-11-01 22:07

Disney hates Sonys posterboy

theamiabledumps2025-11-01 22:07

The MCU is allergic to mutants. That’s the only conclusion at this point. I don’t even think Feige likes Mutants. I initially pushed for the return to Marvel cuz O hate the Murdochs. Now, however, no mega corp is going to get them right. I’m just glad we have the animated series back and it was glorious. Too bad the kinkster had a harassment problem ( tho as far as I’ve read it didn’t involve touching or SA) cuz The first season was dynamite.

RobbyRyanDavis2025-11-01 22:15

Probably more to do with budget than anything. Wouldn't surprise me if it was on a list to be done, but didn't make the cut somewhere in the process.

Selfless-One2025-11-01 22:17

Are we really calling that show "what if"

After season 1, it Should've been called Captain Carter across the multiverse

N8CCRG2025-11-01 22:21

The number of "What If" question the fandom will think up will always vastly outpace the number of episodes of What If...? by several orders of magnitude.

No, I don't find any single "What If" question weird for not having an episode that addressed it.

NoTitleChamp2025-11-01 22:30

I think its weird What If didn't bother with a lot of things.

ChemicalExperiment2025-11-01 22:34

I feel like What If just wasn't what it was pitched as at all. They advertised it as "what would these Marvel movies look like if something went differently." And instead it was just brand new Marvel stories with only the loosest of connections to their "what if" origin. Most episodes were just entirely divorced from any of the existing stories, branching off so wildly that the original movie or event they are tied to had no relevance to the plot at all.

Puzzleheaded-Net39662025-11-02 04:57

That’s why the iron man and killmonger episode was so dang good, it was exactly what I wanted from the show

everybodyhates2k2025-11-02 08:10

I think that’s what made a lot of the episodes really interesting. The Kahhori episode was one of my favorites and it had nothing to do with the MCU (I think).

atomcrafter2025-11-02 10:42

It's Captain Marvel transplanted into a different setting.

ChemicalExperiment2025-11-02 16:45

It was interesting. I actually really liked most of the episodes, especially Kahhori. I just wish the show was called something other than "What If".

emeraldeyesshine2025-11-02 17:21

Why Is

Blackadder182025-11-02 08:58

Seriously you could do an entire series on Infinity War alone.

-What if The Avengers were united?

-What if the teams were reversed? (Cap team on Titan, Iron Man team on Earth).

-What if they got the gauntlet off of Thanos on Titan?

-What if Hulk was actually present?

So many ideas they could have done to answer fans questions of *What If* and instead we get.... Happy as the Hulk for a night.

batsmen2222025-11-02 11:59

What if the teams were reversed is fantastic

BambooSound2025-11-02 13:28

Especially if they did a part two in which it's the other half of the Avengers that got snapped

jboars2025-11-02 16:58

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emeraldeyesshine2025-11-02 17:20

What if they really did the ant man method vs thanos

BlackTech002025-11-02 19:23

Literally my exact opinion I just don’t get why they didn’t do that, literally everyone would watch that. I will say Infinity Ultron is cool as shit buts that like a what if ultron won, right so just give us more stuff like that

applefellonedison2025-11-02 14:15

The Howard the duck and Darcy episode gets me Everytime. What were they even thinking. TBH marvel zombies did it way way better. So many good things in that. The blade ghost fight still gives me chills. Amazing

jugularvoider2025-11-02 21:29

I think they just wanted a reason to work with Seth Green, which is annoying

LostEsco2025-11-02 14:59

What If felt like everyone involved wanted to make a Peggy Carter series, but got turned down so they made her the focus

j--__2025-11-02 20:30

i actually went looking for evidence of overlap between the staffs of _what if_ and _agent carter_, but while google ai was happy to make stuff up, i couldn't find any evidence of this, beyond those names that are on every marvel studios project.

Drago_1332025-11-03 14:09

I thought what if was gonna be this instead we got if "what if Captain Carter"

Ok-disaster20222025-11-01 22:39

Speedsters are terribly difficult to write. Most problems are problems because you don't have time to do everything. Depending on the speed of the speedster they do. Most movies with speedsters have them injured or sidelined in the dumbest way possible. Quicksilver was literally shot when he should be faster than the bullets. The flash was also shot in the Leg in the Justice league iirc. Like why? They should be able to see the threat and sidestep or heck move their leg out of the way

And really the only things that are a real threat to the Flash are other speedsters and the Kryptonians, who have speed alongside powers.

mega5122025-11-01 22:40

What If? didn't bother with much of anything.

BackgroundEngineer112025-11-01 22:45

I don't know the exact quote, but Feige said Secret Wars and after would be fixing some character deaths which have been regrettable long term. I fully expect the twins to be back post Secret Wars and be fully mutant.

Caracallademise2025-11-01 22:48

That's my biggest issue with What If; they don't really explore interesting storylines. This 'What If Quicksilver Lived' narrative has been brought up so many times over years and many fans would be interested in that. But nothing.

Edboy7962025-11-01 22:57

Was Johnson still under contract as that character?

eagc72025-11-02 00:34

Appereantly he signed a multi picture contract, but i have yet to find an official source

xdrkcldx2025-11-01 23:04

They hate the character. Now they have the Fox one everyone likes. Will they even use him? Probably not

regalfronde2025-11-01 23:19

We have ~~Ralph Bohner~~ Quicksilver at home

TomClancy58732025-11-01 23:25

They clearly didn’t want to bring him back when he was the butt of some toilet humor joke in Wandavision

Heart-Lights4202025-11-01 23:35

They were too busy making everything about Capitan Carter, invited Pocahontas, and to finish with zoophilia 🦆🙄

doctor_x2025-11-01 23:38

*What if…?* wasted its potential by crawling up its own ass with “OMG the entire multiverse is at risk of being destroyed!!” stories instead of exploring more small-scale, interesting ideas.

Baelorn2025-11-01 23:41

'What If..?' was nothing but wasted potential, IMO.

vim_deezel2025-11-01 23:45

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he has become the porkins of marvel

Vaportrail2025-11-01 23:51

His death might be the thing that makes me angriest in all the MCU. And that includes Thor 4 and Ms. Marvel.

ChronicChoof2025-11-02 00:28

With all the Wanda stuff in phase 4 I'm surprised he never showed up. I kinda hope he gets a small part in Secret Wars but I think Evan Peters is more likely.

At least we got him as a kid in Wandavision.

GreySage20102025-11-02 00:30

They don't want to remind anyone of how hard they fumbled quicksilver.

Meizas2025-11-02 00:35

I think it's weird that What If didn't bother with literally anything we were actually wondering.

DowntownJulieBrown12025-11-02 00:43

It’s because What if is total and utter dogshit

Sebaxs19282025-11-02 00:48

What If...? in general (after season 1, mind you) was the most underutilized concept ever in the Marvel TV-animated format ever.

Like, it would have been more than okay if they had just done season 1 and just ended it then and there, instead of the low-effort subsecuent seasons we got.

(I give the Kahori episode a pass since it was the best we got afterward, although I fail to see how it fits in the What If? premise itself)

Ark99752025-11-02 00:49

They didn't even bother with him in the MCU... He was just thrown out

CanYouDigItDeep2025-11-02 02:14

I rewatched what if recently. The third season was ass. Largely because it leaned to heavily into newer material.

They could have stayed in the infinity saga and branched from there in each season then after the next two avengers movies offered stories there when all was clear. The story you mention is just one of many missed opportunities from the infinity saga that could have been explored but wasn’t.

mewantcomics2025-11-02 02:27

For some reason they avoid directly revisiting MCU Quicksilver, even in animation.

Used_Nefariousness862025-11-02 04:06

He was way too op for any storyline. Imagine thanos enter wakanda and his glove is gone. 😆

Bendythenightfury2025-11-02 05:55

Marvel fans: "Oh What if? Heck yeah we can see what if the other half got snapped and what if Quicksilver lived?" Marvel what if development: "what's that? You want more Captain Carter? Okie dokie we can do that."