Which brand of magic in the MCU is the most powerful and versatile among them, in your opinion?

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RavenRunner132025-11-01 05:21

Chaos. With everything the Scarlett witch did in multiverse of madness and Wanda vision, it's not close.

FindTheTruth082025-11-01 06:57

Not so sure about that. Loki's magic seemed pretty damn powerful in the S2 finale. She can alter reality. Loki can navigate time and space within that reality, freeze it, and even destroy it. If this is a story where Scarlet Witch is the most powerful character, Loki is the editor that decides what part of her story is told and what is cut.

MooseHapney2025-11-01 07:13

Loki assumingely doesn’t use Asguardian magic since he’s not Asguardian by blood.

He’d be using Frost Giant Magic.

Also, is controlling the scared timeline “magic” or is it just a cosmic power

FindTheTruth082025-11-01 07:39

Regardless of the type of magic, unless this is limited to only those pictured, he is still using magic to control it. We know this because he was never able to do anything in the TVA until they turned off the device that prevented magic. It's also worth noting Thor said science and magic are one and the same in Asgard. If that's true all magic is based on the same principle but taught in different forms. If magic is truly just science we don't understand, Loki's magic could be Asgardian because his mother taught him.

Donut7032025-11-01 08:39

Yeah, by their logic Eldritch, Dark, and Chaos Magic are all really just Human Magic since they're performed by humans. But we know what you are doesn't matter since the green cow man from Doctor Strange isn't doing Green Cow Man magic, he's using the same Eldritch Magic as Strange since they learned the same spells and techniques. It's like saying a baby born in France but raised in the U.S. is actually speaking French because that's the only language their biology allows. Dumb

MooseHapney2025-11-01 08:48

Actually all those forms of magic are also performed by other creatures and demons.

Any you haven’t consumed ant type of fantasy where a certain race of individuals can only do the magic pertaining to that race of people?

Why would a Frost Giant be doing Asguardian magic?

Being taught by Frigga doesn’t mean his magic is Asguaridan in nature.

DynastyZealot2025-11-01 08:36

It is often said that he was taught by Hela. That's Asgardian.

MooseHapney2025-11-01 08:41

So if Agatha Harkness went to Asguard and was taught by Hela she’d have Asguardian magic?

No. Shed have her witch magic and would just have just been taught how to access it by an Asguardian.

DynastyZealot2025-11-01 16:03

That's some real mental gymnastics lol

MooseHapney2025-11-01 17:11

No. Theres no indication that Asgurdian magic can be learned by anyone outside of Asgurdian born people.

If so. Then Asguardians aren’t actually that powerful of anyone could wield their type of magic.

The only type of magic that has been established to be learned by anyone is Eldritch magic.

DynastyZealot2025-11-01 18:23

Other than the fact that Loki learned Asgardian magic. From Hela. Which they discuss regularly lol. Give it up. You're arguing a lost cause.

MooseHapney2025-11-01 19:06

If he learned Asguardian magic. Then anyone can learn Asguardian magic which makes it not the most powerful by default.. you realize that?

A natural magic that comes from biology, not teaching would be the most powerful magic

Also. It wasn’t Hela he learned from nitwit. It’s Frigga.

You tried to have a point though

DynastyZealot2025-11-01 20:33

I never said it was the most powerful. I did misspeak on the name, but that doesn't negate the point. I'm tired of interacting with you.. You're clueless, and unnecessarily insulting. Try growing up and learning how to interact with others, and maybe someday someone will actually enjoy talking with you, because it's pretty obvious no one does currently.

Marvelgeek6162025-11-01 05:22

Vishanti magic in my opinion, the magic dr strange uses

BeardySam2025-11-01 08:45

Isn’t that eldritch?

AuthenticAppalachian2025-11-01 09:03

Well it’s the antithesis to the Darkhold which is dark magic.

And I don’t think Eldritch magic is the antithesis to dark magic. So it must be a separate not explored category of magic

ncaudio9232025-11-01 09:18

My high ass read this as Dr. Seuss for a really amusing second

TheTangerineLounge2025-11-01 05:26

Eldritch magic looks cooler than the others. Powerful? It has to be chaos magic.

BeardySam2025-11-01 08:44

Asgardian magic is the most mystical. Its boundaries and powers are unknown I feel.

Speaking into a hammer to enchant one of the most powerful weapons in existence? Controlling the literal key to eternity? Odin literally had his own Odinforce.

Ultimatespacewizard2025-11-01 08:53

I feel like Asgardian gets an advantage because most practitioners we see are thousands of years old.

TheTangerineLounge2025-11-01 09:13

>Asgardian magic is the most mystical

I believe Chaos Magic predates the Asgardian Gods. It's primordial and stems from Chthon (an elder god?). Its mystical foundation must be more ancient than that of the Odinforce and is not much explored. It's a shame that Multiverse of Madness wasted the opportunity to explore more of these primordial magic forces and more of Chththon. We could've had more samples to infer how superior or inferior Chaos Magic is to other MCU magics.

ncaudio9232025-11-01 09:14

We've all been Odinsleeping on his skill set.

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 05:27

Powerful = Asgardian

Versatile = whatever we want to call the infinity stones

jlwinter902025-11-01 05:41

Plot Magic. That's why it doesn't work in the TVA - that place exists outside of the plot.

iamChickeNugget2025-11-01 06:01

If you think Asgardian magic is stronger than Chaos magic, then wut.

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:02

Stormbreaker powered by Thor overpowered all six infinity stones effortlessly (including the raw power of the reality stone). Thor’s Asgardian body withstood a neutron star. Asgardian magic has destroyed and conquered planets. The Bifrost can instantly transport you anywhere in the universe. I can keep going

iamChickeNugget2025-11-01 06:09

Put Infinity War Thor and Scarlet Witch Wanda at the same room. I wanna see you tell me who comes out alive. I'm dying on the hill that Thanos didn't go all out on Thor. If I'm the only logical one, then so be it.

pepiexe2025-11-01 06:13

Swap Thor with Odin and let us know how that goes then. In the MCU, Thor has never been the strongest Asgardian.

iamChickeNugget2025-11-01 06:23

But aren't we talking about magic here? Which magic is stronger, not which peak is stronger? I reckon Odin using chaos magic would destroy Odin using Asgardian magic.

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:25

Asgardian magic has demonstrated way more raw power, that’s the point here

MooseHapney2025-11-01 07:02

If you’re talking about raw power then Chaos magic wins that.

It can literally rewrite reality.

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 07:04

Asgardian magic has multiple times been shown on screen resisting the reality stone

MooseHapney2025-11-01 07:06

The reality stone isn’t chaos magic. It’s the reality stone. So that means nothing.

Big_Epsilon2025-11-01 07:43

Has it in the MCU though? In WandaVision, it didn’t rewrite reality, if my memory serves me correctly.

Tough though, because was Thor resisting that star down to magic or Asgardian physiology?

Probably not helped by the fact Wanda hasn’t reached her full potential, and that knowledge of her powers in the comics seems to seep into how some view her powers within the films

MooseHapney2025-11-01 07:56

In WandaVision we saw reality being rewritten every episode? So I’m not sure what you mean by that.

Unless you’re confused because it wasn’t permanent. But if that’s what you mean, Monica’s outfit changed from her SWORD gear to the 70s get up permanently. And it also created real souls (her kids)

I don’t think Asguardian physiology would be considered magic…. Is a celestial magic? They’d withstand the power of a star too. So I would categorize Asguardian physiology and magic differently.

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 07:58

For Thor, I would guess his biology is deeply intertwined with Asgardian magic, otherwise all Asgardians would be able to use crazy magic lightning.

And yeah, a lot of people say things about Wanda that are clearly more influenced by the comics than what’s actually on screen. Like….Wanda was squished by a building on screen. She clearly has weaknesses and limitations she didn’t have in the comics. Every MCU character does because movies are so different from comics

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:24

He will be soon 🥹 Avengers Thorsday is coming

6inchblackmeat2025-11-01 06:21

Why not put a full fledged mage/fighter ( odin) against mage/fighter ( wanda)?

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:23

Thanos absolutely did go all out on Thor. He was moments away from achieving his goal and suddenly got knocked flat on his ass by an unknown enemy flying down from the sky. He had *zero* reason to hold anything back

And I think either Thor or Wanda are capable of winning, it’s gonna entirely depend on the details.

BrazenlyGeek2025-11-01 06:52

Everyone in this thread seems to be ignoring Frigga and Loki.

Frigga’s a powerful asgardian witch, and Loki’s used his magic to save the multiverse.

(I’m assuming here that Loki’s magic came from his adoptive parents, particularly Frigga.)

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:53

I was going to go into them next if I was going to continue listing Asgardian magic supremacy lol. There’s also way more examples for Odin, and Heimdall, and Hela. It’s really not even a close call here. Asgard’s entire society is magic

MooseHapney2025-11-01 07:06

Well Loki isn’t Asguardian, so is his magic really of Asguard?

He learned Asgurdian techniques but the raw magic he would be using isn’t Asguardian.

BrazenlyGeek2025-11-01 16:13

That’s assuming his magic comes from his birth. Do frost giants have magic that is genetic? Even on Asgard, it seems as though only certain people have abilities.

MooseHapney2025-11-01 17:20

So if only certain Asguardians have the abilities then it’s genetic to that bloodline, no?

Therefore an individual of frost giant biology wouldn’t have the DNA to access the full potential of Asguardian magic.

Unless Asguaridan magic is like witchcraft and has an “along magic” subset where anyone can use that type of magic if you know the correct “spells”.

But even with that the analog version of witchcraft or Asguardian magic is different from the inherent biological magic use.

onepostandbye2025-11-01 05:39

It’s kind of hard to stop separate the power of a magic style from the power of a particular user…

But Wanda was devastating in Endgame. She entered the battle and Thanos was forced to sacrifice his whole army just to survive her attack.

grimorie2025-11-01 05:40

There's also Witch Magic which as Dark Magic. I also love the analog magic of witch magic.

Ok_Negotiation312025-11-01 05:50

Chaos Magic

Senior-Leave7792025-11-01 05:51

Already established that Chaos Magic is.

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 05:59

No it’s not, not definitively anyway. That’s called your opinion

SkarletVVitch2025-11-01 06:06

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Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:08

Show me a quote where it literally says it’s the *most* powerful.

SkarletVVitch2025-11-01 06:09

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Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:13

That’s a cop out. No such quote exists

SkarletVVitch2025-11-01 06:14

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Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:21

I already know from my memory that no such quote exists lol you wouldn’t find anything even if you bothered to look

SkarletVVitch2025-11-01 06:24

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Single-Pianist-22112025-11-01 06:27

Then show me the quote. I’ll wait.

hArRiS_172025-11-01 06:03

Are the Time Stone and Eldritch Magic connected? Because both have the same visual effect when being used

An-292025-11-01 07:45

Well, the Ancient One did say that Eldtrich Magic is used by them by drawing energy from other dimensions. That means whatever Eldritch Magic is, it is very close or similar to the Cosmic Energy that is linked to the Time Stone.

hArRiS_172025-11-01 08:04

The Infinity Stones are the most powerful thing in the universe, right? So this automatically makes the Eldritch Magic the strongest magic in MCU

An-292025-11-01 11:02

Well that's the thing, "most powerful thing **in the universe**", you gotta remember that the multiverse factors into this too. Since the infinity stones doesn't fully work in the TVA, to which Loki even questions that does that mean there's something more powerful other the infinity stones itself.

So the power of the Infinity Stones itself isn't enough to prove Eldtrich magic is more powerful then the rest of the other magic. Especially when we saw in Iron Heart Dark Magic could even probably give Chaos Magic a run for it's money due to the fact Mephisto magic is so dark and powerful, they confused it for Dormammu's Dark Dimension magic.

UsernameFor20162025-11-01 08:40

Its just Bob who do the VFX that liked the template he made.

Eastern_Hornet_64322025-11-01 09:06

This is a misapprehension. The Time Stone only has an "Eldritch" visual effect when it's used as part of the Eye of Agamotto. It's the Eye which produces the Eldritch magic.

Infinity Stones are too powerful to just be used raw. That's why they always need to be made PART of something in order to be useful.

* The Space Stone needed to be put into the Tesseract to make portal energy

* The Mind Stone needed to be put into a sceptre to brainwash people the sceptre touched

* The Mind Stone needed to be hooked up to a computer to produce a mind (like Ultron or Vision)

* The Reality Stone was killing Jane when it became part of her and was probably what gave her cancer, because it was put in her raw

* The Power Stone needed to be fitted into Ronan's hammer before it could be used; touching it directly generally either just disintegrated a person or caused an explosion

* The Time Stone could allow a person to manipulate time when fitted into the Eye of Agamotto

* All of the stones could also be used for raw energy: The Tesseract powered Hydra weapons, the Sceptre could fire energy blasts, Vision could shoot a forehead laser, etc

* All of the above effects could be used by fitting the stones into a gauntlet

* Two incidents gave humans incalculable power: Carol received great power from the Tesseract and Wanda received great power from the Sceptre

Using an Infinity Stone raw generally just killed a person. Only by using a stone as PART of something could a person use more sophisticated effects. The Infinity Gauntlet seemed to be capable of using any effect, whereas most other items seemed to be more limited in what effects they could coax out of a stone.

ncaudio9232025-11-01 09:17

"It was put in her raw"

Nice

UnfitFor2025-11-01 06:06

Officially: Chaos

Visually: Eldritch

Realistically: Asgardian

Dark Magic in most fantasy (which is what the mystical side of Marvel and subsequently the MCU, is) is usually never as powerful, it's just easier to get the more powerful stuff, like the Dark Side/Light Side of The Force in Star Wars.

SkarletVVitch2025-11-01 06:31

Chaos magic is just jailbroken magic.

It’s the most powerful and can do everything other forms of magic can do and more.

If you take the most powerful user of any style of magic and then have them fight a clone of themselves with a chaos wielding version, the chaos version wins everytime.

Optimal_Lifeguard5752025-11-01 07:16

Dark magic for the win

snidece2025-11-01 07:16

Dark magic has no limits and is always re inventing itself. The other magics follow rules.

MooseHapney2025-11-01 07:24

Why would Agatha seek to consume Wanda’s chaos magic if Dark Magic was more versatile and powerful?

Her whole WandaVision motive is to absorb the Chaos Magic because it’s a seemingly unlimited power.

Not saying dark magic isn’t insanely powerful, but I think in universe it’s at least shown to be a step below Chaos Magic

EstablishmentOdd24942025-11-01 08:05

for sure, chaos magic just has that vibe of unpredictability and drama, love it

OblivionArts2025-11-01 08:39

Given both Agatha and the practitioners of normal magic ( the second one here) straight up admit wanda is the strongest caster of all time to the point theres literally shrines dedicated to the scarlet witch, hers. Asgardian "magic" was effectively just technology on a really high scale

AuthenticAppalachian2025-11-01 09:13

The literally embodiment of Death is a witch.

So Id think it automatically makes any type of witchcraft magic have the potential of being the most powerful and versatile.

And the fact that Chaos Magic is considered tje pinnacle of that type of magic, then it would be logical that it’s the most powerful and versatile.

Also, is Asguardian Magic really “magic”. It’s more of a cosmic power akin to a celestial or Galactus. It’s just called magic colloquially.

Like if Asguardians are magic. Is Ego magic? Captain Marvel magic? is Sersei magic? What’s the stopping point

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Benyed1232025-11-01 09:46

Was it Asgardian magic that allowed Loki to do what he did in the finale of his show? Asgardian magic seems to be the most soft and abstract, these kind of magics tend to be less limited.