What if thunderbolts and cap4 switched storylines?
I’m just curious would that sound appealing to you guys?
The thunderbolts have to face Red Hulk under Valentina’s control. They can still have the same theme on mental health with the president going through guilt and dealing with Red Hulk.
And Sam makes it his mission to save Sentry from unleashing the void (orchestrated by The Leader) or it can follow the scrapped storyline where he’s looking to form a new avengers team and Sentry’s the main focus
The thunderbolts have to face Red Hulk under Valentina’s control. They can still have the same theme on mental health with the president going through guilt and dealing with Red Hulk.
And Sam makes it his mission to save Sentry from unleashing the void (orchestrated by The Leader) or it can follow the scrapped storyline where he’s looking to form a new avengers team and Sentry’s the main focus
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Brave New World isn't quite as narratively coherant as Thunderbolts (and some of the themes that are there are re-treads of the Falcon and Winter Solder TV show). While it doesn't come through as clearly in the film as it probably could, it's arguable that the broad theme of the film is about power; specifically who gets to wield it and why. Sam is an interesting protagonist because he has actively foregone physical power by refusing to take the Super Soldier Serum. This is meant to contrast with President Ross who has political power but wields it in a way that is negligent and irresponsible.
Again, not saying that this plot can't work with the Thunderbolts, and I'm also not saying this theme was handled perfectly in Brave New World, but it's clear Sam is (in theory at least) a good candidate to bring that theme to life.
Ross and the Leader were chosen because they mirror what happened to Isaiah Bradley. The Leader was someone who was experimented on and erased by the system that Ross now serves, and, surprise, this shady shit STILL blows back on Isaiah, who despite everything he's been through, is still willing to extend an olive branch, stick his neck out from his isolation, and give the system a chance.
It's a movie about Sam's place as Captain America and how he serves as someone who can inspire change not only on a global scale, but also in simply holding a system accountable for the people it has hurt.
You lose all this if Sam faces off with the Sentry, and you lose the narrative purpose for the Leader if the Thunderbolts are involved. Both movies are just fine as they are.
He was literally experimented on by a military official. Him being "Ross's scapegoat" is him being a victim of the system. Ross is a high ranking military official who literally used his power to abuse and break the law.
Brave New World says Bucky took the serum willngly as well. Doesn't mean its accually correct in terms of continuity or lore.
The rest of your comment is bizarre. Ross was never a victim, let alone a victim of "the system". If Sam's movie can be summmed it up at all its that "fascists are just misunderstood!"
We see his head begin to grow in the movie, yes, but thats all we see, we don't see his brain start to burst out of his skull or his eyes start to grow. We don't see any of that. He is clearly in a much worse state than we last see him.
The writers of this movie also clearly watched it because they reference it:
Sterns: "Is it because he imprisoned me here, without a trial, after an infusion of gamma warped the structure of my brain?"
But then the movie states, just like I'm saying, that Ross CONTINUED pumping him with gamma.
Sidewinder: "You know it was my old unit that found Sterns in the wreckage of Harlem. They said he'd been infected with Bruce Banner's blood, but it didnt give him strength. A mind capable of impossible calculations. Ross being Ross, he saw an opportunity. *instead of removing the gamma from Stern's blood, he UPPED THE DOSE*"
You can admit you're wrong and I won't hold it against you. But I do recommend watching a movie without being on your phone before arguing with a stranger on the internet about it.
That's not what happened though. It wasn't Bruce Banner's blood- it was Gamma radiation. Sidewinder is recounting an inaccurate version of events- one that he was given, perhaps but inaccurate nonetheless.
>Sterns: "Is it because he imprisoned me here, without a trial, after an infusion of gamma warped the structure of my brain?"
Sterns version is more accurate: he doesn't mention *multiple* infusions.
>We don't see any of that. He is clearly in a much worse state than we last see him.
Worse prosthetics sure.
Just because the writers \*reference\* a movie it doesn't mean they watched it: to bring it up again. The movie also has Sam say Bucky took the serum willingly - which he know he didn't. TFatWS references CA:TWS but the writers admitted they didn't watch that movie.
Bruce's blood is LITERALLY what fell into Stern's head. The vial literally reads "Mr. GREEN BATCH 2058 STRENGTH" and then the rest is cut off.
Sterns is literally making more of Bruce's blood. Thats how he makes Abomination. He has an entire room full of the blood. He even says "Bruce, this is all you. You didnt send me much to work with so I had to concentrate it and make more."
Do you...have any media literacy at all? Or?
Also, because you keep bringing it up. Sam doesn't say that. He says "I should've took the serum. Like Steve, like you." He never says that Bucky took it willingly, just that he took it.
If I'm given medicine while unconscious, I didnt consent to it, I didnt willingly take it, but I still took that medicine.
You have one more reply to prove to me you aren't some rage bait bot before I block you. I dont have the energy to keep slapping you with so many Ls.
Blood artificially synthetized in a lab isn't "your" blood. Its a substance derived from but not your actual blood.
>If I'm given medicine while unconscious, I didnt consent to it, I didnt willingly take it, but I still took that medicine.
No if you had that substance put into your body whilst unconscious you didn't "take" it- period. Look up the definition of the word "take" - to "recieve, acccept" or "consume"- there is not one which involves doing something without consent.
That's why we have different words. Bucky didn't "take" the serum. It was given to him, put into him- he didn't "take" it at all.
If Sam had meant to say Bucky didn't get the serum willlingly he wouldn't have used the word "took". His meaning was very clear and the "like Steve" lends credibility to this- because Steve got the serum voluntarily.
Sam not only said Bucky took the serum but said he took it the same way as Steve- i.e. *voluntarily*.
Sam is a veteran's counsellor: Bob isn't a veteran. VCs don't know how to deal with all kinds of trauma- most of them are barely competent dealing with vets. Sam has zero experience dealing with abuse survivors, addicts, people with depression, bipolar etc. He would be as useful as a chocolate teapot against The Void.
Also given his propenstity for victim-blaming Sam would probably have made things worse with The Void. Telling it to make amends or saying Bob should just "do better".
If they did that: Neither movie would make sense, both would be bad.
More importantly, he’s Captain America now, and so he needs a Captain America story. That means that the main conflict is knowing when it’s time to disobey. He’s opponents need to include: 1) Something that should easily be able to kick his ass, 2) Institutional authority that has been somehow corrupted, and 3) Public opinion.
But also, putting the Thunderbolts into the BNW doesn’t work out too well either. The climax would probably just be a big fight. It would be fun, but Red Hulk wouldn’t get the resolution he needs, and they wouldn’t get the self-realization that each of the characters (and also Ghost) wound up with in Thunderbolts*.
So I’d like to see that fight, but I wouldn’t like either movie as much as I did.