The X-Men eXisting in their own universe is better than being integrated into the MCU.

This is something that's been on my mind recently. There's been a lot of talk about the X-Men coming into the MCU in Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars but does anyone else think the X-Men existing in their own universe and being an alternative to superheroes makes more sense for the characters than being integrated into the MCU? It's just going to be kind of strange for the world to hate mutants when the Fantastic Four and people like Thor/Asgardians, people who are born with powers exist. Wouldn't 'mutates' like the Fantastic Four normalize the mutants? If they didn't, since there is a difference and Mutants are Humans+ then wouldn't Thor? Yes they exist together in the comics but the comics never acknowledge this as far as I know and they've already existed together for years, so they can't stop now. Also, I LOVE the black leather outfits!

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TommyTheGeek2025-10-30 20:40

1) It's 100% gonna be retconned post-Secret Wars that mutants have been on Earth-616 from the beginning, likewise I expect the same for the Fantastic Four.

2) People don't hate the X-Men the superhero team, they hate mutants, all of them.

demonoddy2025-10-30 20:42

Agreed. I half expect secret wars to end with showing the x mansion in the new MCU

Nendilo2025-10-30 20:46

It's not going to be a retcon, Earth-616 won't exist. It's going to be a whole new timeline with many characters recast.

ShadesOfTheDead2025-10-31 15:55

Yeah, Feige has talked about the MCU becoming like homework, wanting a new Tony Stark, and wanting a reset.

Nendilo2025-10-30 20:46

They're doing what they wanted to do all along. Have all of Marvel's heroes on one planet. The MCU as we know it won't exist after Secret Wars. And the new X-Men will be entirely recast.

Caciulacdlac2025-10-30 22:33

I don't think it will change too much, I think it will be the same MCU but with X-Men and Fantastic Four now in it

Nendilo2025-10-30 23:13

Secret Wars is meant to be a soft reboot from everything I've read. They'll keep around some actors but any character who is dead or any actor who is aging out they'll recast.

Caciulacdlac2025-10-30 23:20

That would be confusing. Like, there would be the same Spider-Man, but a younger Iron Man? Would their relationship from the previous universe be addressed? Would it just be a totally different Spider-Man but just played by Tom Holland?

BigDaddyGreeds2025-10-30 20:48

I think you misinterpret the point of the X-Men. Mutants are an allegory for marginalised community's, the X-Men aren't hated by average people because they have powers, they're hated by hateful people because their different.

eagc72025-10-30 20:54

Exactly, one thing that makes the other heroes different from mutants is that some like Hulk or the Fantastic Four are normal Homo Sapiens that got powers by accident

Meanwhile Mutants are the next stage of the human evolution, a new species that could eventually replace Homo Sapiens as the new dominant species on earth

Apart_Tip7762025-10-30 20:58

Take the metaphor out of the equation and yeah of course people are scared of mutants. They're born with their powers, not made. The powers come into fruition when they're older, often adolescence, which must be terrifying for any parent of a young child. The powers can be genuinely terrifying.

I think it's not surprising that people *fear* many mutants. But the hatred thing, that's the part that resonates. That's where the metaphor really kicks in. Cause it's messed up to hate someone for something they can't control and didn't choose.

Dave_Eddie2025-10-30 20:50

I had a theory that they'd tie in Reeds planet moving technology. Have an xmen earth 2 bought into the MCU in orbit with the existing earth. Their world (or a world with mutants) can stay, with its history and you can still get the whole rise/moral panic of mutants as immigration starts between the planets, without having to recon any of the history of the MCU.

It also allows for the other planet to have variants of anyone they want to reboot, after they close off the multiverse storyline.

Apart_Tip7762025-10-30 20:55

I actually 100% agree with you.

I think X-Men stories work best when they seem separated from the Marvel universe.

There are obviously some X-Men cross over stories that are interesting and well-done. But I think those are few and far between.

repalec2025-10-30 20:56

Mutants would absolutely make sense in a universe with other heroes.

Most heroes in the MCU with powers gained them through special circumstances or via modification the layperson wouldn't have access to. Scarlet Witch's powers would have 'died on the vine' (per Agatha) were it not for experimentation with the Mind Stone; Spider-Man was bitten by a radioactive spider; Dr. Strange studied for years at an ancient Tibetan monastery *and only* ascended to his level due to a campaign that killed off any senior staff that would've become Sorcerer Supreme first.

With mutants, they could be anyone, and their power could be anything, from something as simple as the ability to willingly shoot fire out of your hands or the unconscious emitting of decay for everyone in a large area. There's no rhyme or reason to who has these powers, nor to where they're placed, and that's the fear at work that drives hatred of mutants. Even in a world like the modern MCU where people are aware of superpowered people, the idea that *anyone* could have a random power could be something to push a portion of the population over the line.

pink_plastic_bag2025-10-30 21:03

Oh man don't even get me started on the Scarlet Witch nonsense. She's a mutant, she always will be. She's Magneto's daughter. House of M! Stuff like that is why I hate the corporateness and legality of all this stuff. I knew years ago that the Disney side of Disney was going to show itself eventually.

I am seeing your point about the difference between mutants and mutates though and why mutants would still be feared.

katmigordon2025-11-12 20:46

I'm personally hoping the current witch did die at wundergore (sp?) but that the witchy that a lot of us know and love from the comics will come in with the rest of the mutants.

watze972025-10-30 21:06

I feel the exact same way aI have been saying this for years.

Here's my unpopular opinion: The inhumans were a good replacement for the mutants in the mcu ,narritively it would be easier to incorporate them. They could have just use the terrigene bomb storyline for the suddent rise of superpowered humans, hell even have a spin off show title "NUhumans".

pink_plastic_bag2025-10-30 21:13

I need to watch the Inhumans show, I honestly didn't really know much about them. They're very cool. I just read Inhumans vs X-Men and Death of X. I do want the Mutants in the MCU but I just also feel like this will be an elephant in the room (To us) if they are.

watze972025-10-31 06:59

Don't watch that show,it's not good.
If you want to watch anything remated to inhumans, watch agent of shield season 2,they introduce the inhumans very well

LittleYellowFish12025-10-30 21:26

When it cost them 70 billion dollars to get the Fox characters back, *still* keeping them all separated from the MCU for no reason would certainly be a choice.

pink_plastic_bag2025-10-30 21:46

Chill lol. I didn't say Disney should make that choice. I said the X-Men work better in their own universe. Disney has obviously already made their choice. For no reason though? Can you not read the post?

Teex222025-10-30 22:11

Generally, having everything together in the one world puts so many barriers and limits on storytelling. Sure, they can be broken but then you end up with a disjointed continuity and a universe that's really unsatisfying to follow.

I miss standalone superhero content a lot for that among other reasons.

Endgam2025-10-31 15:25

>It's just going to be kind of strange for the world to hate mutants when the Fantastic Four and people like Thor/Asgardians, people who are born with powers exist.

It was always intentionally nonsensical to show how bigotry is nonsensical.