Thor and Loki Doomsday Theory (short version)

I tried to post my full theory here before, but it looked like it was not showing up correctly, and I wonder if it was because it was too long or something hahaha

Anyway, here’s a shorter, bulleted version. I would love to hear other people’s thoughts!

- early on, Thor separates from the rest of the cast into a power boost subplot (similar to Infinity War)

- Thor will gain his power boost with deep involvement from Loki and Loki’s control of time and the multiverse

- critical plot point is that Loki is stuck sitting on his throne of the multiverse and holding all the timelines. he absolutely cannot move or leave no matter what or everything collapses

- because he’s stuck like this, Loki is functionally very limited in what he can do to protect himself from Doom, and this is why he seeks out Thor to be his trusted protector

- Loki guides Thor through some kind of mystical trial or sacrifice tied to Asgard and Thor’s legacy. Maybe taking loose inspiration from Rune King Thor from the comics

- while Thor goes through this trial or sacrifice, Loki might only be a projection, or just a voice, or maybe he doesn’t reveal himself to Thor until the very end (he guides Thor as a raven or something like that)

- upon Loki bestowing the power boost onto Thor, the brothers have their real reunion in Loki’s space (Yggdrasil) with Thor now insanely powered up

- Doom arrives at the TVA to kill Loki and take his control of the multiverse, third act climax of the movie has a 1v1 between Thor and Doom in front of Yggdrasil (while other battles or drama happening at other locations, similar to Titan and Wakanda in Infinity War)

- Thor and Doom have an intense, insane battle. Thor is victorious and unambiguously kills Doom. Fully dead, no question

- after using his new powers, Thor is totally exhausted. His powers need a recharge period and he is severely weakened

- Franklin Richards, whom Doom has been subtly coaching for this exact moment throughout the movie, reveals himself and brings Doom back to life, good as new

- Doom starts attacking Thor again and is about to kill him, but Loki intervenes, abandoning the throne and the timelines to save Thor

- as Doom claims the multiverse, Loki uses what’s left of his powers to poof him and Thor away to safety.

- while Thor is dying in Loki’s arms, Loki desperately tries to save him, but Thor eventually tells him to stop because there’s no time and everything’s falling apart

- with his last few breaths, Thor gives Loki protection through his remaining powers, killing himself in the process but ensuring that Loki survives

- Loki goes into Secret Wars as a loose end set on revenge, as a parallel to Thor from Infinity War. For Thor, we’ll see him (the original version) in Thor 5 which starts in Valhalla

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Komaisnotsalty2025-10-29 02:03

What on earth are you talking about? Is this some fanfiction plot?

Single-Pianist-22112025-10-29 02:04

It’s my theory for their storyline in Doomsday. Thor is the second lead of the movie so he has a major story thread

Tvisgood2025-10-29 02:05

This is the SHORT version ?

Single-Pianist-22112025-10-29 02:06

yeah….I was thorough

Currycel78912025-10-29 04:06

Thor killing Doom IN Doomsday is NEVER going to happen.

Single-Pianist-22112025-10-29 04:07

I think it will. They already established Franklin’s ability to bring people back to life. I think it will come into play. And what an emotional gut punch that would be: even killing Doom is not enough to stop him

Currycel78912025-10-29 04:15

Humiliating the main villain in his own movie is a big mistake. Marvel isn't going to do it, because it just makes Doom look weak and stupid.

It makes much more sense for Thor to have this all-out battle, barely win and kill Doom, then collapse from exhaustion- only for this to be exposed as nothing but a DOOMBOT.

Then the REAL Doom shows up and kills Thor instantly through even MORE overwhelming power than ANYTHING the bot ever demonstrated.

This reveals that not only is Doom super powerful, he's also ahead of the game.

This is also the PERFECT situation to address the RDJ miscast. The Doombot that Thor struggles against and finally defeats is played by RDJ. The REAL Doom that shows up and one-shots Thor reveals himself to be...Cillian Murphy!

Single-Pianist-22112025-10-29 04:20

It wouldn’t be “humiliating” him. Thor would *barely* win and be wiped out in the process, only for Doom to come back like nothing happened. It would make Doom an immortal, un-killable god.

And Doom having Franklin as the contingency plan for this exact situation makes him look prepared and unstoppable, with a plan for literally every scenario, even his own death.

And no, I think having it just be a Doombot takes away the emotional tragedy of it. A villain that can’t be stopped even after you kill him is pure dread. A robot is just a cheap trick.

Currycel78912025-10-29 04:29

1) No, it just makes him weak and stupid. Franklin is supposed to be his ally and protege, not his crutch. Doom would NEVER place himself in a situation where he might die and depend on someone else to come back. Because he's well-aware of the VERY REAL POSSIBILITY that the other person CHOOSES NOT to revive him! What then?!

2) And yet...using Doombots for this EXACT purpose is what comics Doom ALWAYS does. It's NOT a "cheap trick!" It's just pure, comic-accurate Doctor Doom.

Single-Pianist-22112025-10-29 04:36

The idea here is that he coached Franklin for this specific purpose, as well as weaponized Franklin’s abilities for other things throughout the film. The tragedy in this is that he treats Franklin, a human child who he ripped away from his parents, as nothing more than a tool for achieving his goals.

Again, the idea is that Doom prepares for everything, even his own death. If you don’t like the idea of him coaching Franklin, perhaps he does some sort of magic binding to Franklin that, upon Doom’s death, brings Doom back to life regardless of whether Franklin wants it to happen or not? Would that solve your issue?

I’m sorry, but what works in the comics doesn’t always work on screen. It would feel extremely cheap and hollow to do a robot fakeout like that. It’s too much like a Saturday morning cartoon, like a villain shouting “muhahaha it was a robot all along!”

Currycel78912025-10-29 04:45

The magic binding idea is PERFECT. Doom's existence is tethered to Franklin. They can't kill Franklin (most literally can't, although Loki could erase him) because they won't morally accept the possibility of killing a child- yet this means that Doom can always come back.

The robot fakeout HAS to happen at least once, though- it's FAR too iconic to completely skip.

Single-Pianist-22112025-10-29 04:55

I still prefer the idea of Doom coaching Franklin- I think it’s wonderfully creepy to have Doom form a twisted bond like that where, on the surface, he acts like a parental figure guarding and taking care of Franklin and getting Franklin to trust him completely, with the reality that Doom only sees Franklin as a tool. But yeah, we can agree to disagree.

I think the robots come into play with some of the other characters. Part of the reason I have Thor on his separate side quest is because I think he’s too overpowered to be just fighting Doombots alongside the Thunderbolts or Sam Wilson, you know what I mean? He’d way overshadow the other heroes. I think the only real and fair fight for Thor is a 1v1 with Doom himself.

Currycel78912025-10-29 05:12

1) He'd definitely still have that in my version, it's just that he ALSO uses this magic binding as his guaranteed contingency plan.

2) Sure. But there HAS to a be fakeout moment where they think they really killed Doom (and the audience really believes it for a moment) only for it to be just a Doombot. Towards the end is perfect.