What the hell did Ghost do and when that made 15 nations want her dead or alive and when did she do it?

Remembering Thunderbolts\*, I remembered Walker's dialogue with the girls and wondered, "But at what point and what did Ghost do that 15 nations wanted his head?"

Especially at what point? Is he referring to his time as a S.H.I.E.L.D. weapon, five years after the Blip (although we don't know if she was blipped or not), or is he referring to his missions with Valentina

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clocktickmakemecrazy2025-10-28 04:00

It's explained in Ant-Man and the Wasp, how she was being used as a weapon to alter governments and complete covert missions

Kaboose4562025-10-28 07:24

Yeah, she was basically SHIELD's Winter Soldier for most of her life, trained from a young age too.

marvelcomics222025-10-28 12:48

Pretty sure that it was a Hydra fraction within S.H.I.E.L.D.

Kaboose4562025-10-28 12:56

Eh, there's no proof of that. Ava said it was SHIELD, Bill Foster took her in as well.

We already know SHIELD is willing to do shady stuff, child metasoldiers aren't exactly a foreign concept to them.

marvelcomics222025-10-28 13:07

>Skye: Body probes? In dark, unpleasent places?
Fitz: Body probes, that's ridiculous, S.H.I.E.L.D. doesn't do that. We don't do that do we?

Sure, but that was around the 90s, and Peggy Carter was probably still running S.H.I.E.L.D. at that point, and if not her, Fury was probably Director. Then again, if it was S.H.I.E.L.D., I doubt that it directly under Carter or Fury.

Kaboose4562025-10-28 13:17

Fury headed project insight.

Just because they do good things doesn't also mean they don't do shady things.

marvelcomics222025-10-28 13:20

Fair point. Fury also used T.A.H.I.T.I. when he was specifically told not to. He probably would've thought of Ghost as an asset. Good intentions but bad outcomes.

Dangerous_Donkey53532025-10-29 20:34

I don't think Fury headed Insight, I think that was Alexander Pierce with Fury running the day to day. But it was always under the Hydra arm of Shield.

Supermite2025-10-28 13:23

SHIELD was Hydra. That’s why the entire organization collapsed at the end of Winter Soldier. They were so intertwined that both had to go.

marvelcomics222025-10-28 13:26

There were still agents who believed in what S.H.I.E.L.D. stood for, and there were the non-S.H.I.E.L.D. Hydra, like Gideon Malick, and Daniel Whitehall.

Supermite2025-10-28 16:22

Yes, but good luck rooting out all the Hydra rot. Hydra was there at the very inception of SHIELD influencing and directing the organization from the shadows.

stonespiral2025-10-28 16:54

if the organization is so intertwined with the one that wants to harm people that you have to make this argument then the entire thing has to go. Start over, the project failed. It isn't one bad apple, it's the tree.

CaptHayfever2025-10-28 17:21

Those agents had to *completely* rebuild the agency, though, carefully screening their recruits to make sure the same problem wouldn't happen again.

garbage19952025-10-28 10:23

It's more likely after she got fixed.

ToughSprinkles18742025-10-28 12:23

Possibly to cover up loss ends this is a rouge super power thing

SWPrequelFan815662025-10-28 04:01

if Ghost is anything like her comic counterpart, I'm guessing she went on an anti-capitalist spree and bankrupted/attacked a shit ton of corporations in acts of corporate and metahuman espionage.

Anomander20002025-10-28 04:28

..... um, let's have THAT movie instead of whatever Marvel is going to pop out next!

Ambitious-Pirate-5052025-10-28 05:19

No, I will take Spider-Man Brand New Day

spiderknight6162025-10-28 05:27

What Marvel is going to pop out next: Daredevil Born Again S2, X-Men 97 S2, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man S2, Wonder Man, Vision Quest, Spider-Man 4 and Avengers Doomsday.

I'd rather have those man

SolarChallenger2025-10-28 05:56

I think I could push Doomsday a few years for a Ghost anti-capitalism spree.

bigbrainnowisdom2025-10-28 06:30

vision quest? Is it follow up from wanda vision?

crumbsalt2025-10-28 08:16

Yeah, it’s completing the “trilogy” that’s WandaVision - Agatha All Along - VisionQuest

Odd-Sound-5802025-10-28 07:34

i think you're the one guy who isn't a spider-man fan lol

SeekerVash2025-10-28 15:40

It's a solid 100m WW movie!

IL-Corvo2025-10-28 04:41

I'd watch the hell out of that.

domicci2025-10-28 05:20

sadly shes nothing like her comic book counterpart she probably just killed some politicians

Kwilly4622025-10-28 04:04

She walked through Area 51 and a camera caught her

MorningClassic2025-10-28 04:06

Dunno but that sounds like a movie I’d watch

Pirate_Leader2025-10-28 04:28

give me 2 hours of ghost violence as she descend into depression and madness

THELORDANDTHESAVIOR2025-10-28 06:35

and scored by Nine Inch Nails, idk their music kinda fits her

Non_Linguist2025-10-28 14:25

*Slave screams*

THELORDANDTHESAVIOR2025-10-28 14:45

I think that Trent and Atticus can totally score someone's descend into madness and hell they could go Nine Inchs Nails and make a few vocals track here and there

sQueezedhe2025-10-28 17:03

>make a few vocals track here and there

Good god no.

elSpanielo2025-10-29 01:21

So basically The Downward Spiral?

THELORDANDTHESAVIOR2025-10-29 02:43

yeah something like that

tiggoftigg2025-10-28 17:00

We can still call it “original score” and just use Trons since no one has or will see it. Disney can just replace the score when streaming is released.

AdolescentThug2025-11-02 18:16

Bit off topic, but I did sail the high seas and saw Tron Ares. And the NIN soundtrack is probably the singular redeeming factor about that movie. Kinda mad that Trent and Atticus got wasted on such a terrible film lol.

Honestly wish the MCU took more swings when it came to score. The only 3 movies I can remember where the original score actually dared to not be the typical orchestral sound were Ragnarok (80s synths will be valid forever) and of course, both Black Panther films (because Ludwig Goransson is the future GOAT). Not counting the Guardians trilogy here considering I can't remember if it had an original score and Gunn used licensed songs better than most other movies.

Alternate idea though, have Ludwig use his work on Tenet as an inspiration and score a Marven Special Presentation for Ghost doing espionage work for SHIELD. NIN scores Spider-Man: BND, go straight electronic for Spider-Man sequences, and back to their industrial sounds for Punisher sequences.

THELORDANDTHESAVIOR2025-11-02 18:36

"who wants to live forever" fits in spider man movies more tbh

SigmaKnight2025-10-28 05:20

Anything that gets more HJK on my screen is worth it.

E-Normus-Titz2025-10-28 06:06

Especially if it's anything like Brave New World, and I don't mean that stupid Captain America movie.

Boil-san2025-10-28 08:13

I mean, I like the actress, but I would have rather seen another season of Dark Matter rather than Killjoys...

medyas12025-10-28 09:24

killjoys was too quippy, dark matter too telly not showy

both were fun for their time shows though, just turn brain off

Gasparde2025-10-28 08:40

How about Thor figuring out his purpose in life for the 5th time instead? No screaming goats though, but we thought it'd be hilarious if 90% of the movie were about Korg anyways.

Alternatively a new Disney+ shows about the adventures of Cat Man - a superhero who's not really a cat, doesn't do anything cat-like, shit, there's not even any cats in the show, but it's gonna be a solid romcom with no ties to *anything else* MCU and it's gonna end with Steve Rogers returning and telling everyone that Cat-Man is the greatest superhero of all time.

jojopojo642025-10-28 16:15

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

CaptHayfever2025-10-28 17:22

I feel like he just watched Pumaman & mistakenly thought it was a Marvel production.

Responsible-Bonus2782025-10-29 11:34

I don't get it. Are you trying to do some weird Rick and Morty bit?

TH3PhilipJFry2025-10-28 04:07

So many unexpected wet willies

BroThatsMyAssStoppp2025-10-28 08:09

Hhhnnngggggggg

TheFightingImp2025-10-28 10:14

Or the dreaded Rear Admiral!

Sir__Will2025-10-28 04:12

It's hard to say, but much of it probably stems from her time being used as a weapon. Now, she's still a mercenary so she may still have done some unsavory things more recently. I guess it had become the only life she really knew. Especially if, say, Foster had gotten snapped and she was alone again.

SpeedBlitzX2025-10-28 04:37

A Ghost movie would be sick!

MEGATRON_1112025-10-28 05:02

.......what was the question?

Vharna2025-10-28 05:06

I rewatched Thunderbolts\* recently and though I really love the movie her role comes off as one of it's glaring flaws. She has cool moments in the story, but not a lot of explain as to why she is there and is helping out.

ubutterscotchpine2025-10-28 11:37

She’s there because she was an assassin/spy for hire by Valentina just like the rest of them. Before that, though, she was used as a SHIELD weapon prior to Ant-Man 2.

Wrong-Vermicelli47232025-10-29 21:06

I mean I agree but it was 100% explained why she was there.

Vharna2025-10-30 02:39

I phrased my comment poorly. I know why she is there, but what I meant is that we get very little insight into her character. I can definitely extrapolate from the performance why she comes back and risk it all for people she hardly knows, but it would have been nice if she got more attention. This is very clearly Bob and Yelena's movie, but the small tidbits we get from Walker, Bucky and Red Guardian do so much for their characters. Would have been nice if Ghost just got one scene.

FUCK1NGFABULOUS2025-10-28 05:10

No to a movie but yes to a series!

ddanuu2025-10-28 10:49

Doing what America always does, taking down foreign governments, its politicians and so on.

WaffleHouseGladiator2025-10-28 12:22

She's a spy/saboteur/thief that can phase through solid matter and can't be stopped. I'm sure she got up to some god-tier shenanigans.

ElGuapo04202025-10-28 13:45

She made a tweet saying 9/11 was a inside job.

Buzzybill2025-10-28 18:42

Boy! That would make a great movie! Even a great TV show. Instead we get a bunch of stuff no one asked for - The Eternals - She Hulk - on and on

bbgamingandcollect172025-10-29 05:37

Ghosted a bunch of horndog foreign officials.

statistical_mechan1c2025-10-30 06:01

When in the real world there are more than 15 countries actively sanctioning the death of innocent children for the "crime" of existing, this is not surprising in the least for some fictional metahuman.