Who had the best one? And which one is your favourite?

I don't have one, I love them all and the character development and writing has been fantastic and it shows that these 4 and ourselves deserves a 2nd chance and becoming something greater to be heroes that the world and universe needs.

Commentaires

_jackychain2025-10-28 02:00

If you were to tell me after ant man and the wasp if we would be seeing ghost as one of the main characters in doomsday and one of the avengers, I would’ve said you’re crazy. That being said, I hope they actually give her something decent to do besides her probably being someone to bite it in the film

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 02:01

Same, she joining Doomsday and Secret Wars is such a surprise and miracle

Lun4r65432025-10-28 06:13

I’m still pissed they cut her building a friendship with Taskmaster from Thunderbolts. It’d have given both characters something to do in the movie, and give them much needed development time.

Ghost just felt like she was… there.

OliviaElevenDunham2025-10-28 15:01

I do agree with about that.

bchec2025-10-28 15:45

I loved Ghost and was so excited for her return — It was nice to see her back but one of my main Thunderbolts complaints is she does absolutely nothing and has zero character development. The same goes for Walker. At least Bucky is relevant with Valentina I guess, but even he doesn’t get any real development.

jon_snow_dieded2025-10-29 00:57

I’d say walker has a bunch of development with him going from arrogant prick to likeable but still arrogant prick, actually starting to think about others and being a bit more selfless. Bucky definitely doesn’t progress though, but we already have had a ton of development for his character so that’s fine by my books

gaypirate32025-10-28 10:00

I swear if they disrespect her like they did Taskmaster and just kill her off willy nilly I will riot

the_doughboy2025-10-28 13:43

It's Avengerz, with a Z.

retrobution1012025-10-28 20:08

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Big_Boss10072025-10-28 16:27

I think that’s part of the beauty of the MCU. Taking random, mostly B-C tier characters, and turning them into something popular and marketable.

youngarchivist2025-10-28 17:54

Her work on Black Mirror has more than earned herself these kinds of roles. I'm excited to see her shine.

captinslack092025-10-28 17:59

Is that how Yahya Abdul-manteen got his role.lol

probablynotaskrull2025-10-28 02:02

Loki.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 02:02

Oh yes. The real one to save the entire universe and multiverse

Successful-Grand-5492025-10-28 02:03

Is he officially a good guy now though? He kinda flips depending on his mood.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 02:05

True, but he was the one to do the thing that was so necessary and important to the future

Ubergoober1662025-10-28 03:12

I mean, he kind of made the ultimate sacrifice at the end of Loki season 2 for the good of the entire multiverse.

probablynotaskrull2025-10-28 02:05

I’d say it’s more complicated than that. Nebula, Ghost, and Bucky were all forced (strongly compelled?) to do evil. Loki chose it. He chose greed, and lust for power, and disdain for morality. Then he chose good. It’s a farther journey, and the fact that he backslides so often proves how difficult it was for him to change.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 02:06

True

hobbesthehungry2025-10-28 02:20

Tbf Loki was forced to do good when he saw his death resulting from selfish pursuits.

InvestigatorLive192025-10-28 04:12

Eh

He died trying to kill thanos. He might not have been killed if he'd just given up the tesseract. So, flipping that on its head, he could have decided to never do good again, because last time, he was killed for it.

belladonnagilkey2025-10-28 02:42

Reminds me of what Parthurnax from Skyrim said.

"What is better, to be born good, or to overcome one's evil nature through great effort?"

Loki embodies that.

AfroBaggins2025-10-28 08:04

Wise words from Super Mario

Existing-Bus-88102025-10-28 02:50

Farther indeed. His redemption took millennia, but he finally got there.

--Antitheist--2025-10-28 02:03

GLORIOUS PURPOSE!!!

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 02:05

"Purpose is more glorious than burden'

FridayMorningLaundry2025-10-28 02:30

You've got that backwards haha

--Antitheist--2025-10-28 03:08

Burden is more purpose than glorious?

Car-Practical2025-10-28 07:49

Purpose is more burden than glorious

erinaceus_2025-10-28 16:00

> "Purpose is more glorious than burden'

So, burden than glorious more is purpose?

kanhaaaaaaaaaaaa2025-10-28 08:04

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tokenasian12025-10-28 02:37

He did it twice.

Spiritual_Bell60062025-10-28 03:04

yeah nebulas journey is so relatable, definitely a powerful redemption arc

petrowski72025-10-28 03:22

Yeah no one’s even remotely close honestly

DefendedPlains2025-10-28 04:54

And it’s not even close.

Nebula was forced into villainy by Thanos.
Ghost was a villain out of desperation to survive and only kinda became a hero out of necessity to stop Void.
Bucky was literally brainwashed and forced to kill people. He said he remembers every one of them and he was powerless to stop himself.

Loki is the only one who started out as a true villain; who wanted power and purpose for the sake of it, to force his own vision of himself onto the world. He tried to enslave earth because he wanted to rule. He instigated Thor into attacking Jotunheim and nearly causing a genocide. And he usurped Odin to take the throne of Asgard.

And in the end, after a tremendous character arc full of growth and insight, he finally found his glorious purpose in freeing the multiverse from the reign of Kang. He then went on to live a million lifetimes of suffering in order to learn how to save the TVA and the multiverse from being destroyed when the loom broke down.

Loki is hands down the best villain to hero story we have gotten in the MCU.

bchec2025-10-28 15:49

It’s kind of ironic that he ended up getting more power than he could’ve possibly imagined ahah.

eman_e312025-10-28 16:35

Loki also got like 3 movies and 2 TV seasons to go from villain to begrudging ally to full-on hero. Even with the "reset" of S1 Loki to pre-dark world, its such a satisfying arc that they really dug into, its so cool.

Party_Attitude87542025-10-29 00:42

Different Loki, the good one didn’t get to usurp the Throne of Asgard, he was brought in to TVA after the Battle of New York. The bad Loki almost didn’t get to do anything heroic apart from bringing reinforcements to Asgard, after he failed to betray Thor once more, and giving his life in an attempt to stab Thanos.

ok_noise232025-10-29 10:24

Exactly. Most people missed that it's not the same Loki.

Jaideco2025-10-28 05:58

Yes, and it is not even close.

WaffleHouseGladiator2025-10-28 11:57

Without question. He initially wanted power without responsibility. He ended up attaining a different kind of power and embracing the near infinite responsibility that came with it.

SpectreBrony2025-10-28 02:07

Loki.

Informal-Ad22772025-10-28 02:08

Seeing as Ghosts stuff was mostly offscreen...

What a wasted opportunity for Hannah and her amazing acting. She really gave a performance of hurt, and *pain* in AM&TW, and then she's just *magically healed*

She was still not ok at the end of Ant-Man 2, and I guess Bill Foster is just.... ?????

onepostandbye2025-10-28 02:49

That’s funny, I consider her performance the absolute worst out of the entire MCU.

Glass-Economy68882025-10-28 02:09

Since Bucky was only doing what he was programmed to do, was he really a villain?

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 02:16

No a puppet of Hydra

InevitableVariables2025-10-28 02:32

He isnt even a villain when he was first introduced. He is a war hero, great dude, great best friend, and takes a huge literal fall.

dowker12025-10-28 06:04

Weren't they all in some way?

Dezbats2025-10-28 07:03

No.

Bucky was literally mind controlled.

He wasn't manipulated, threatened, influenced, indoctrinated, or groomed into doing the things he did.

He had no agency whatsoever.

Living_Smell2025-10-28 02:10

-Bucky was never a villain. He was under mind control.

-Loki died and had to relive his life witnessing the consequences before truely becoming a hero.

-Ghost has only had two movies and not enough character development to really appreciate the change.

Nebula is the answer here. She over came abuse from her parent and stood against him. She over came jealousy of her sister and came to love her. She over came her past and actually KILLED her former self fully committing to being a better person. She’s your clear winner here folks.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 02:16

True words

BottleKnockers2025-10-28 02:32

Yeah… she’s putting down the weapons to re-establish the community on Knowhere. She’s my answer as well.

RedXerzk2025-10-28 02:36

The fucked up family dynamic of Thanos and his daughters were the best parts of IW and Endgame.

Youngling_Hunt2025-10-28 14:43

That Gamora death scene is still one of the hardest hitting scenes in the mcu

Secret_Bet_21262025-10-28 02:48

Definely going with Nebula. For reasons you said as well as her continued growth.

Though she became a good guy, she was still a bit flawed in G3.

Namely as Mantis says, she tends to criticize everyone. But I think it factors into her abuse.

She has a tendency to be as critical of others as Thanos was to her. Showing that she does still have some baggage but will get better, as we see with her dancing with the kids at the end.

aaillustration2025-10-28 04:12

playing paper football with stark was my fave..

TheFunkytownExpress2025-10-28 10:44

I thought beginning the movie with Dear Mr Fantasy over the Marvel logo was such a strange choice until they revealed that it was playing through the speakers on the Milano. 😀

Past_Explanation692025-10-28 03:00

The answer is Loki, Nebula was abused and forced to do evil, Loki choose evil.

Loki then saw everything in front of him, and then choose to do good and the right thing.

Swicket2025-10-28 03:15

>and actually KILLED her former self

No one accused the MCU of subtlety in its metaphors.

SeriousButton62632025-10-28 03:20

> Loki died and had to relive his life witnessing the consequences before truly becoming a hero.

That's because you're ignoring his heroics at the start of Infinity War.

Skulley-2025-10-28 03:23

Different Loki?

CharismaticAlbino2025-10-28 04:17

I'm confused why Loki dying disqualified him?

SeriousButton62632025-10-28 04:20

Because they think the villain Loki (from the movies) and the hero Loki (created by the Endgame time heist and is in the Loki TV series) are two separate characters, so never transitioned from villain to hero. But that ignores the fact that villain Loki did transition from villain to hero.

JSevatar2025-10-28 03:46

/thread

chewywheat2025-10-28 04:27

Eh… Loki still applies imo. The moment after Avengers, Loki was still a villain, it wasn’t until his mother died he started to change. He just ultimately died in his attempt to stand up to Thanos.

Loki from the TV show is a different Loki and he equally applies too. He was a straight up a bad-guy even after getting caught by the TVA and was forced to them (part of the whole theme of the first season). He didn’t really start turning into a hero until way after and helping his variant.

LuxLocke2025-10-28 04:39

I like this answer.

neoguri8082025-10-28 04:43

This is the correct answer.

I_Was_TheBiggWigg2025-10-28 05:45

This is a great argument for Nebula but I’m sticking with Loki. If we’re just looking at the transition from villain to hero then I’d say it definitely goes to Nebula but Loki didn’t just turn himself around. He sacrifices his very existence to eternally maintain the timelines and does it solely for the benefit of everyone else in them. The selflessness he shows to take the final step in his arc puts him at the top for me. Obviously how much of a burden that is and how much “freedom” he has left to live any sort of life of his own hasn’t really been shown yet but, as of now, it’s seems like a pretty permanent, full-time gig.

TheBramCracker2025-10-28 20:21

She litterally pulled a Zuko. And Zuko has one of the best redemption arc.

JSilverhand1042025-10-28 02:12

Loki's "redemption" was rushed and forced and is also made into a joke in the very first episode

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 02:16

No it wasn't

Remote-Direction9632025-10-28 02:26

L ragebait

Greedy_Astronomer8372025-10-28 02:17

Bucky

Additional_Ice_3582025-10-28 02:20

Loki by far but Bucky's growth and call to action was so great to see in Thunderbolts. Great to see him as the leader.

storiedpages2025-10-28 02:20

Ghost.

Soft_Hour94452025-10-28 02:23

Loki. Hands down

Least_Rain80272025-10-28 02:23

is Ghost really a good guy tho? i love her but she's more so an antihero

kulitchipon2025-10-28 10:45

We can probably assume she'd do good as part of the Avangers within the 14 month period

Remote-Direction9632025-10-28 02:26

Loki

megalogo2025-10-28 02:28

If i have to choose one i will go with Nebula, Loki not so much, the original Loki maybe, the Loki from the series felt kind of cheap, they just showed him a movie where he dies and suddenly he's got all the development of the 616 Loki, didnt work for me

Sncrsly2025-10-28 02:29

Loki by far

thamonsta2025-10-28 02:29

Yellowjacket/Darren Cross. He died an Avenger, you know.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 03:58

Yep

CaleBoi252025-10-28 04:17

And he's no longer a dick

InevitableVariables2025-10-28 02:30

Bucky never started off as a villain.

EightBiscuit012025-10-28 02:31

Putting Ghost in here is absurd.

kulitchipon2025-10-28 10:42

Agree. She isn't a villain in the strictest sense and we haven't seen a lot from her character.

sweens902025-10-28 02:32

Loki - Legit villain to hero arc (twice and felt earned both times)
Nebula - Villain but more of a henchman in first appearance but equally felt earned.
Ghost- Villain due to circumstances and then due to apathy in thunderbolts until she finds her team.
Bucky - Was brain washed not really a villain.

Flashy-Ad91292025-10-28 02:33

And now all of them (except Nebula) will be in Doomsday

PissNBiscuits2025-10-28 02:35

Loki, Bucky, Nebula, Ghost.

El_Veethorn2025-10-28 02:46

Nebula's arc was insanely good, and no one can convince me otherwise.

How she went from an almost forgettable sidekick villain in a random space Indiana Jones movie, with a cast of characters I knew absolutely nothing about, to one of my favorite characters in the mcu is crazy.

Ironsam8112025-10-29 06:30

She carried the emotional gravity of Endgame for the first and second act.

onepostandbye2025-10-28 02:47

Ghost transitioned from ‘completely intolerable’ to ‘tolerable’.

Big_Epsilon2025-10-28 02:50

Whilst I love Nebula’s journey, she doesn’t feel a villain like the other two did. She was never presented with the gravitas of Loki or the Winter Soldier.

Loki was the villain of an Avengers film. His journey is incredible, becoming good in both versions of him we see (Ragnarok and then series Loki).

The Winter Soldier is such a cool villain and that film presented him so well, and the desire for him to be good again was enjoyable.

World-Beauty7372025-10-28 02:55

Nebula, given she had a father like Thanos and still managed to become a good person...

Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-10-28 02:56

Nebula. She is the only actual villain turned hero here.

SeekerVash2025-10-28 03:49

Nebula was kidnapped, conditioned over the course of many years, and simply did what her father told her.

Loki was kidnapped, loved and brought up in a happy home, then decided to murder his brother before striking a deal with Thanos...after which he travelled to earth, killed a bunch of people, demanded they subjugate themselves to him, and then released an alien army upon one of the most populated cities on the planet, all by his choice.

Nebula was as much a brainwashed victim as Bucky. Loki, he was true evil.

Leather_Turn77292025-10-28 02:58

I'd say Loki cause like others point out; the way he ended up was almost entirely his own fault. take a villain made by his own hands and turn him into a self-sacrificing hero. Mwah

CharacterOld86912025-10-28 02:58

Loki

TheeDeputy2025-10-28 02:59

Nebula. It’s not even close.

Eltex2025-10-28 03:03

Why isn’t Thanos on that pic? Man died a hero, after being right all along.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 03:55

Liz4rdKah-1ng2025-10-28 03:17

Loki, he is literally keeping the multiverse from imploding. After he was a true cold blooded trickster/ killer. Some might say his place is penance. Loki chose to be there. He stepped up instead of stepping aside.

AndreaMoonSSO2025-10-28 03:27

all of them, love those 4

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 03:55

Same

nour_chan2025-10-28 03:36

LOKI!
Loki
Loki
Lokiiiiii

Empty_Experience_3052025-10-28 03:41

Bucky

bigbrainnowisdom2025-10-28 03:46

Love them all.. but definitely not ghost.. due to lack of screentime compared to the rest.

You know what... Nebula.

Yeah my pick is nebula. Rest of them are cool too though

MaximumSilver22092025-10-28 03:48

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This handsome man.

SeekerVash2025-10-28 03:52

Loki by a landslide.

Nebula and Bucky were never villains, they were kidnapped and underwent deep traumatic brainwashing.

Ghost is still a villain, we haven't seen her do anything that would classify her as anything else, she murdered Taskmaster in cold blood and then simply did what she had to in order to save her own skin.

kulitchipon2025-10-28 10:44

She was the one who tried going after Yelena in the void, though. If she hadn't, NY would still be voided. She also saved some people with the falling helicopters and what not.

benmar1112025-10-28 03:59

Nebula

shadowlarvitar2025-10-28 04:10

Ghost doesn't belong here lol

I have nothing against her, she's just not that level

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 04:11

She was like bucky and Nebula

Jecht3152025-10-28 04:17

Nebula, Loki or Bucky. I'd probably say Nebula because she definitely had the most sympathetic background. Loki didn't really change until Ragnarok and the TV show was technically a different Loki. Bucky was brainwashed. He didn't have a chance to be good until Steve fought for him.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-28 04:18

Yep

ashegoddes2025-10-28 04:26

Bucky ♥️

Parmetheus2025-10-28 04:35

Absolutely Loki. Went from the angry frost giant to a true brother to Thor and saving the multiverse itself

LuxLocke2025-10-28 04:37

1- Loki: most screen time, and gorgeous arch from beginning to end. Same character too… as in did not play two roles (winter soldier/bucky).

2- Nebula: again, arch, not two roles. Loved the actors portrayal from villain to hero and the resistance to it.

3- Bucky: one of my favorite villains, and heroes of the MCU. Loved all movies, loved the transformation from Winter Soldier to Bucky. That said, the arch was fast, then the recovery was done off screen. Idk, love him, but #3.

4- Ghost: cool character, and I loved the… … Thunderbolts (omitting New Name). That said, idk, not my jam.

I do not mean to uck someone’s yum, so you all do you. I did like this question though.

Edit: formate

ParkerLF2025-10-28 04:41

When did Ghost become a hero? She signed up to be a hired killer for the CIA director.

Sammyantoine2025-10-28 04:56

Buck was never a villain
Mind control

macklow2025-10-28 05:16

Nebula

soul_shakedownstreet2025-10-28 05:28

It's Loki and it's not close

SuperJordan252025-10-28 05:43

Easily Loki

Ftmdj2025-10-28 05:45

Ultron. Hear me out….

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chickenkebaap2025-10-28 06:05

Loki and Nebula.

One of them selflessly gave up their freedom to hold the multiverse together and the other literally killed their past version.

ARC_Venage2025-10-28 06:14

I would like to see Hero -> Villain besides Wanda.

internal-capsule252025-10-28 06:32

Nothing will ever defeat the character development of Loki.
This web series should never stop receiving any accolades or praises for how good it was.

Necessary-Corner11722025-10-28 06:53

You left out the Widow? Who writes these things. It didn’t get the air time but her flip is touched on at length in retrospect. I think you could have spared her a square or two. That said they really did a good job with Loki and I loved it but Bucky redemption is my favorite.

n_mcrae_19822025-10-28 07:01

Bucky was never a villain!

jtfjtf2025-10-28 07:03

Nebula has a great storyline.

PurpleScientist43122025-10-28 07:15

Loki’s entire arc through the mcu was amazing

ConstantAccident92722025-10-28 07:22

Bucky started as a hero but became a villain

DafneOrlow2025-10-28 07:25

None were really villains.

Nebula wanted to prove herself

Bucky was under mind controll

Loki just wanted love

mondomonkey2025-10-28 07:48

Id say Ghost, half because ive got a crush on her and half because the transition was so smooth. She still felt like herself and not like suddenly *this* part of the story happened and now shes different.

And nobody can say that having a crush on a character is invalid because 99% of Loki lovers all have a crush on him! 😂

fanacapoopan2025-10-28 07:56

Ghost, I really liked how she changed but I agree, she needs more screen time.

masterhoots2025-10-28 13:10

The weight and responsibility that Loki acquires was an astonishing experience to watch in the Loki series. Tom Hiddleston's chemistry with Owen Wilson was a pleasure to see, as well.

If you were to tell me about Loki's journey towards saving the multiverse, after my viewing of the first Avenger's movie, I would call you crazy.

My vote is for the guy with the glorious porpoise