Rewatching Brave New World

I don't understand the hate. It's so good!

Is it too connected. Like you need to watch Incredible Hulk. Captain America and Bucky. Black Widow. Maybe some other stuff.

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danohaggard2025-10-27 03:20

It was okay but felt a bit messy for me like you can tell which scenes were reshoots.

Illustrious-Sign30152025-10-27 04:42

Personally, I found it challenging to distinguish between reshoots and non-reshoots, but it's clear which ones were. The whole movie was basically a complete reshoot. This is why I believe reshoots are ruining the final product

mastyrwerk2025-10-27 03:22

I liked it too. It’s a little more *Sum of All Fears* than the general audience can take, but it worked for me.

aaiceman2025-10-27 03:39

It may have been connected to previous movies, but BNW itself wasn’t well connected within itself. The plot moved along in points because the plot needed to move along. You could tell where Sabra was supposed to be more. Where Sam’s military buddy was not only his follow up team, but also also to dig up very secret information, somehow. Because the plot called for it. Where the leader just gives up, because he saw he would win, somehow then not winning. All of this

Asylum-Seeker2025-10-27 04:17

To be fair, he did win. Captain America said: "You just wanted to ruin his legacy."

Leader could have killed Ross, or escape any time. Now they're locked up in the same place, and it looks like the prison is in a circle, so they might be able to see each other.

The point wasn't: Starting a War.

Like how in Winter Soilder the real threat wasn't have a Supersoilder Army.

Working_Original_2002025-10-27 03:44

The movie has virtually nothing to do with Sam, and everything to do with a hulk who isn’t in it.

urgasmic2025-10-27 03:44

Its not bad but i still wouldn’t have gone to see it in theaters

DaFiff2025-10-27 04:01

It was pretty rough to watch. The music sucked most of all

Sue_Generoux2025-10-27 04:09

Edited to add: As a comic collector for 40 years, who loved MCU movies after the first time I saw Iron Man, and is an Anthony Mackie fan, this film was fucking trash.

mrbaryonyx2025-10-27 19:55

every time I say it's the worst MCU movie to people who haven't watched it, people always kind of assume I mean its on some Last Jedi shit. Like "everyone talks shit on Steve Rogers and then he shows up and drinks milk from an alien tit and then dies." Like something super disrespectful to fandom.

But it's not. It doesn't do anything like that. I'd probably like it more if it did. What it is is way worse: it's *really really boring.*

sacredlunatic2025-10-27 04:26

Not enough about Sam in it. Quality of writing, and even some of the cinematography was basically like a D+ show. There were some good elements. But overall, it was very disappointing.

Live_Answer_38752025-10-27 04:38

The action scenes were fine, but too short and too far between. Red Hulk was spoiled from the previews. Anthony Mackie just can’t carry an MCU movie as a lead.

andyroid922025-10-27 04:41

Lol

spidervenom6192025-10-27 04:41

You don't need to watch Black Widow in order to understand Ruth's Character, she's barely has any.

Aqua_Tot2025-10-27 05:10

To me it felt like they had a bunch of scenes shot, a bunch of ideas written, and said “ok, all the pieces are here, someone make something of this,” and got a director to try his best, but didn’t get a director who excels at doing just that.

A few weeks after I watched it, I learned that’s almost exactly what happened.

FoxyMiira2025-10-27 05:16

glad you enjoyed it but many more don't think it's so good. I think it's the most shallow MCU movie in recent years.

evapotranspire2025-10-27 05:21

I enjoyed BNW and am glad I saw it in theaters. Apart from feeling that Sidewinder was a bit of a distraction, I liked all the main characters. I thought Anthony Mackie was great as Cap, Danny Ramirez was fun to watch as Falcon, Harrison Ford was impeccable as President Ross, and all the supporting characters were various degrees of good to stellar.

I liked most of the special effects, too, especially the air battle over Celestial Island. Honestly my main gripe was that the cherry trees looked fake - and if that's the biggest problem I can come up with, it means I enjoyed what I saw on screen!

You can see online that BNW gets solid audience reviews - but this sub tends to dish out extra negativity, so the comments you get here are not going to be an average reflection of what viewers thought.

Magnusfyr2025-10-27 15:33

>You can see online that BNW gets solid audience reviews

I don't think that's true (for the most part)? It got a 5.6/10 on IMDb, a user score of 4.7/10 on Metacritic, a 2.4/5 on Letterboxd, and an audience score of B- on CinemaScore (which seems to be the lowest ever for an MCU film). Those are user reviews, not critic reviews.

The only place where I could find decent overall audience reviews for BNW was on Rotten Tomatoes (76%), which has significantly less user reviews than IMDb and Letterboxd, and is therefore arguably less representative of public opinions.

evapotranspire2025-10-27 17:09

Thanks for looking into that. Maybe it has shifted since I last checked, which is quite a few months ago when the movie was still in theaters.

I'm not claiming Brave New World is a great movie or even necessarily in the top half of MCU films, but I thought it was solid and fun, so the hate seems misplaced to me. Seems like maybe people were expecting it to be something it wasn't intended to be, and so didn't give the characters a fair chance?

I can respect the commenters who say that the film felt over-edited or kind of all over the place. But there's also a lot of superficial and seemingly pretty biased criticism of it, for example saying that Mackie doesn't have the ability to be a leading man (he totally does - just watch Twisted Metal!)

Magnusfyr2025-10-27 17:36

Some people are definitely feeling burnt out on the MCU right now, which doesn't help. However, as someone who wasn't a fan of Cap: Brave New World, I just found it kind of shallow with no strong themes/message and didn't find it particularly fun or exciting either, which is a shame, since I liked the previous Cap movies.

I have no problem with Anthony Mackie, but I just don't think Sam Wilson has been handled well as a main character. I still need to see both Sam and Joaquin explored and fleshed out way more for me to actually empathise with and care about them. I also thought Sidewinder, Ruth, and Isaiah were pretty forgettable in the film, and I didn't like Sterns' dialogue.

The only parts of the film I actually sort of liked were some moments in the action and Harrison Ford's Ross / Red Hulk. Overall, I don't think Brave New World is bad, and it's completely fine if you enjoyed it, but I did find it mediocre and one of the weaker MCU films. My complaints are mainly about the writing, but they definitely shouldn't have spoiled Red Hulk in the posters/trailers either.

RihoSucks2025-10-27 18:00

Id say its was the opposite of your statement. I think the movie was meant to be some thing more with a stronger voice and it was neutered. For a movie with a repeatedly arrested black captain america and the president as a hulk monster theres surprisingly little said about the state of the world in this movie.

Gurabirei2025-10-27 22:52

you kidding right? this sub has the most insane fanatics ever, say one criticism about any movie, Wofff the mob is right on you downvoting and berating you.
People hate the newest movies, for obvious reasons, the people who enjoy them is in the minority, marvel lost their audience because of the way they treated the characters and shoddy movies.

Gurabirei2025-10-27 22:53

Top_Ad_1042025-10-27 05:27

I didn’t think it was good at all… Red Hulk fight was kinda exciting and I liked some of the Isaiah Bradley scenes, but that’s all. I love Anthony Mackie, but this movie was pretty garbage.

ScaredFamousfan2025-10-27 05:40

I liked it alot too

Wooden-Radish-90082025-10-27 06:05

I like it a lot better than most and think it has a lot more to say than people give it credit for.

The pacing can be a bit choppy at times and the women characters are underdeveloped as hell. The advertising also kind of screwed the movie by giving away the third act, but that's nit the movie's fault.

Overall, I like it. It's probably equal to or better than First Avenger in my eyes

AwarenessOk77482025-10-27 06:55

The project is absolutely useless for the overall plot of the franchise. Why do we even need this former Black Widow here? Remove her and nothing will change. Putting the Hulk's powerful enemies (with whom they are also connected in the films) against a guy with wings was stupid, so they were nerfed and humiliated. Adamantium plays almost no role in the plot. There's no proper lead-in to the Avengers. Sam, as the new Captain America, is extremely dull.

Just don't watch this film; you won't miss out on anything in terms of the overall MCU experience.

FreeStall422025-10-27 09:26

Naming the movie something so political in a time of political upheaval just to say...nothing.

Yeah this movie is trash for that alone.

BatmanForever232025-10-27 14:43

Really felt like it was scared to say anything meaningful, or even to try to.

Up-in-the-Ayre2025-10-27 14:48

My biggest criticism. FATHWS starting touching on the global implications of the Snap and this movie chickened out furthering that.

It was disappointing.

buckaroopaul2025-10-27 14:57

It was a great MCU movie.

Some of the people here are snobs

Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-10-27 16:06

It’s fine. When Sam becomes Cap in the finale of TFATWS in 2021 only for him to disappear and return after 4 years in his own movie. It feels like a huge disservice to this huge step up of his character.

MX24192025-10-28 23:37

It was an ok movie. I think Mackie can lead a film. He just needs the correct writers and to show more the qualities he has as a character who carries the mantle of Cap. You can show the differences as well. There were a lot of things left on the table with this movie. I like Sam but he could be better. RH was a mistake imo. Really could've been the Serpent Society and a figurehead politically that have their own agenda.