Do the advancements in AI today and how mainstream AI is today make Jarvis & Iron Man more believable to you? AI is still mostly a gimmick imo right now but it's become mainstream
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rubyschnees2025-10-25 19:25
modern AI is nothing more than a sorting system that pretends to talk back to you and generative AI is just content stealing from real artists and used to manipulate stupid people and make uncreative people feel like they're special
so no, it's nothing like what we saw in iron man - also fuck AI
MadmanIgar2025-10-25 19:29
I’m honestly curious, how do you think Jarvis is different from current LLM’s? I think he’s more advanced and customized to Tony, but wouldn’t he essentially be a personal LLM?
stanthemanchan2025-10-25 19:31
If you ask Jarvis a question it doesn't know, it won't just make up an answer that is false.
MadmanIgar2025-10-25 19:32
True, I guess that’s what I mean by Jarvis being more advanced, but he’s ultimately the same thing, right?
Or do you think he’s truly sentient?
MuNansen2025-10-25 19:36
You're underestimating the difference being able to know it's wrong makes for Jarvis. It's not just "more advanced," it's a quantum leap, and gets to the core of why AI can't create art.
hewhoknowsnot2025-10-25 19:43
My biggest problem with the AI we have is it’s not artificial intelligence and I hate that we used the term for this lol
Butefluko2025-10-25 19:52
True. It's technically not really AI it's just a language model with abilities to recall passages
stanthemanchan2025-10-25 19:45
On a fundamental level, JARVIS understands the meaning behind words and concepts. A LLM doesn't actually understand what a cat or a house is besides the fact that these are nouns and usually come associated with a verb and an adjective and a map of some associated words.
It's just putting words together according to an algorithm to make a sentence that fits a specific set of parameters. The JARVIS of the MCU can formulate plans and give Tony advice on the optimal course of action and the probabilities of success.
Ky1arStern2025-10-25 19:35
Not in the slightest.
Jarvis is actually intelligent. If you asked it how many R's were in "strawberry", it would know because it can spell. It doesn't just aggregate every usage of the word it has in its training set and try and find links to "R's" and "strawberry".
Jarvis is also, for example, capable of using conversational tools like sarcasm and humor without explicitly being told too.
Jarvis is as far above the actual AI we have today, as you are from a speak and spell.
Butefluko2025-10-25 19:47
>Jarvis is as far above the actual AI we have today, as you are from a speak and spell.
The question is is Jarvis smarter than consumer AI like ChatGPT or Claude or Google Gemini or Deepseek or is Jarvis just as smart as the unfiltered, raw ChatGPT only openAI has access to
Ky1arStern2025-10-25 20:01
I haven't drunk enough Kool-aid to believe that openAI has something remotely that close to AGI.
Butefluko2025-10-25 20:03
>is Jarvis just as smart as the unfiltered, raw ChatGPT only openAI has access to
Please point to where I said ChatGPT was close to AGI.
Ky1arStern2025-10-25 20:18
Jarvis -> AGI
You -> is Jarvis just as smart as the unfiltered, raw ChatGPT only openAI has access to
Please re-explain your question if your question was not, "Is Jarvis, an AGI, just as smart as the unfiltered, raw ChatGPT only openAI has access to?"
spidervenom6192025-10-25 22:00
Also keep in mind that Tony developed all of his AI with personalities that he know (With J.AR.V.I.S for instance being heavy based on Edwin Jarvis from Agent Carter and Endgame)
None of the Modern AI can do what Tony can program his AI to do. Even a basic AI like Dum-E is 99% smarter then ChatGPT or OpenAi.
Repulsive_Season_9082025-10-26 07:11
LLMs thinking models all can count "r" in strawberry. They recently got gold medal at international math Olympiad. They couldn't even get bronze a year ago. Everything you think you know about modern AI is outdated information.
Butefluko2025-10-25 19:46
I think Jarvis > LLM or ChatGPT but only because unlike us Tony is a multi billionaire with access to military grade tech so he basically can run something as huge as ChatGPT locally
KihiraLove2025-10-25 22:17
You could run chatgpt locally. Models for LLMs can be pretty small, around a couple gigabytes. Training is what requires insane amount of time and computing power.
Character-Pirate12972025-10-25 19:32
That’s exactly right and as a sci-if fan I’m so frustrated by the inevitability of always shittifying things IRL.
Botsworth19852025-10-25 19:28
Sort of, but not in a cool way: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DamnThatsTerrifying/comments/1odz518/ai\_behavioral\_analysis\_on\_factory\_workers\_every/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DamnThatsTerrifying/comments/1odz518/ai_behavioral_analysis_on_factory_workers_every/)
Butefluko2025-10-25 19:47
This is a nightmare scenario bro holy crap
SharpshootinTearaway2025-10-25 19:29
JARVIS still sounds much more “alive” and intelligent than the AI we have today. Perhaps due to the fact that his lines of dialogue were written for him by a human who gave him a soulful personality, idk.
Butefluko2025-10-25 19:50
>JARVIS still sounds much more “alive” and intelligent than the AI we have today.
You have to remember Tony is a multi billionaire so he:
* Runs Jarvis locally (for privacy)
* Trains Jarvis using any means necessary including his own knowledge
* Has billions meaning he can probably afford to give Jarvis as much VRAM as it needs to have a big memory
* Has access to military grade tech.
Stuff like ChatGPT was probably available to the military way before we consumers heard about it kind of like touchscreens were a thing in the military like 10 years before society got it.
roninshere4eva2025-10-25 22:32
LLMs weren't really military-first unlike GPS or touchscreen... we know they had access to those technologies but we never had or heard of anything like LLM chatbots until 2017 which started the era of research and papers of the very first models before programming GPT 1. Militaries wouldn't adopt these tools until AFTER consumer adoption after 2023. They could've been classified before but it's very unlikely they had them first
Earth5132025-10-25 19:56
I'd argue thats already doable now.
Knowing Tony he absolutely programmed it to be caring but also snarky and call him out for his bullshit.
And you'll notice when FRIDAY pops up and is even more snarky and challenging it's when he himself is starting to doubt himself more and is trying to find ways to keep himself in check.
I think the understanding is he very much programmed both to challenge him.
When it comes to the voice, yes it's more human than we currently have but that's more of an infection thing. AI hasn't yet mastered tone and inflection based on context.
It fakes it by defaulting to one same tone so if you choose friendly voice or snarky voice. And id argue that's kind of what both his AIs do. We're pretty close.
Now what the AI actually does when it comes to computation and data analysis is much much more advanced than what we currently have. Mainly because AI as it is, at least the ones made publicly available, aren't good at complex analysis and independent thinking. It does too much guess work and extrapolating that often leads to errors and misinformation.
You need to be REALLY good at prompt engineering which is a fancy way of saying knowing exactly what wording to use and you need to feed it very precise examples of what you want so it can learn and though that's pretty good it also means it's biased to give you exactly what you want by feeding back to you what you already gave it.
All to say it can't currently create something from nothing.
I would argue it may just be that Tony fed it A LOT of his won genius to the point where it's at least close to as smart as him and so all it gives him is a copy of what he's previously given it
That would be interesting in continuing the narrative that he only trusts himself and his reasoning
Repulsive_Season_9082025-10-26 07:09
Did you try ChatGPT advance voice mode?
Schnickatavick2025-10-25 19:29
Honestly yeah, I think we're pretty much at Jarvis levels right now. Jarvis wasn't ever shown to be incredibly intelligent, he wasn't AGI by any means, and Stark never left him in charge of anything too important unsupervised. Stark was still doing the real work, and Jarvis was a voice he could talk to to interact with his tech. Pair the smarter AI's with a well built MCP server and you're basically there, so it isn't too much of a stretch for a billionaire to have a system like that for his home and for his suits
falconx502025-10-25 19:36
By Age of Ultron, Stark said JARVIS ran his company more than anyone else outside of Pepper (as well as the Iron Legion)
Butefluko2025-10-25 19:45
I think by Age Of Ultron Jarvis was like on the level of GPT 5 except with none of the limitations the average user faces
Butefluko2025-10-25 19:44
>Jarvis wasn't ever shown to be incredibly intelligent, he wasn't AGI
I guess Jarvis is like ChatGPT 5 level with deep thinking abilities and since Tony is rich he's probably allowing it to have a huge memory or something to work with
>it isn't too much of a stretch for a billionaire to have a system like that for his home
Especially when you consider the fact Tony worked with the military and technology we have today was previously military tech
Stilgaar2025-10-25 19:31
If Jarvis said "Killing theses kids ? What a wonderfull idea ! Here some headlights to do it legally"
They should have called a LLM an IA in the first place. "Fancy Autocomplete" is better.
Asylum-Seeker2025-10-25 19:45
Honestly makes me think Iron Man 1 is alittle low-tech. Ha!
Butefluko2025-10-25 19:50
Wow! How so? I mean aside from the suit and stuff which is still a crazy feat
Asylum-Seeker2025-10-25 20:05
I mean A.I. tech has been a mainstay in media for hundreds of years, but no one really had an idea of what and how A.I. worked. It was fiction. Fantasy. A dream.
Ironman 01 tech is likely around the corner. We have the exso skeleton enhancement. Giving super strength and most recently the exoskeleton to help in recovery and people walk again.
We have A.I. running houses with their fridge, and even their toasters are connected to A.I.
The sequels do a better job at creating tech that seems unbelievable. I think the issue is that you can't go in any one direction too much.
knotsteve2025-10-25 21:10
The opposite, actually. In the real world, we're seeing how much hype has been required to raise the billions and billions necessary to get to the obsequious chatbots and renderers we have now.
In the tech-accelerated world of the MCU, Tony has managed to self-fund and develop a collaborative AI that can design at expert levels, and he keeps it completely to himself as a personal edge. It's only when Stark Industries is run by Pepper that this tech is turned into the Fabricator, something other people can benefit from.
Dlh20792025-10-25 22:12
No, and if you've used the "ai" that is popular right now you should know this.
N8CCRG2025-10-25 22:18
The thing marketed as "AI" today is nothing like an actual AI. There is no intelligence there, and given how it works, there never will be. If we ever make an actual AI it will be something fundamentally different than this stuff.
X_chinese2025-10-25 22:22
Jarvis is more intelligent, funnier and more human than me.
ImDero2025-10-25 22:23
Didn't you post this same take yesterday with the added point that covid somehow made the movies better?
Butefluko2025-10-25 23:10
>Didn't you post this same take yesterday
Here is what I posted yesterday:
"Have you noticed that somehow, the MCU has aged better with time, especially now that AI is mainstream and normalized? There are scenes where Tony uses his glasses to see people behind walls and last week there was this new military tech that was revealed that shows the military doing the exact same thing using these AI powered helmets. Another example is how Tony interacts with Jarvis or Friday all the time. A couple years back, I used to think that's comic book bs but now I can totally see it. Furthermore, there's the fact we went through Covid. Endgame's themes are so bleak and somehow it's like ahead of its time, almost like it predicted that dark era of the world so it's somehow more relevant today."
Butefluko2025-10-25 23:10
If you know Death Stranding, would you agree that us going through Covid made the Death Stranding games more relatable?
Butefluko2025-10-25 23:34
Don't downvote and run little buddy.
ImDero2025-10-25 23:52
You know I can still see your post from yesterday, right? Ask chatgpt if it thinks your takes are hot.
Butefluko2025-10-26 00:49
>You know I can still see your post from yesterday
Are you in need of some sleep or something? I literally responded to you with exactly what I wrote yesterday regarding ai in my post. Here it is again. Wait, do you think this is a gotcha moment? HAHAHA. This is lame man. You're not even replying to my arguments and choosing to attack me instead. I ask again: If you know Death Stranding, would you agree that us going through Covid made the Death Stranding games more relatable?
>Here is what I posted yesterday:
>"Have you noticed that somehow, the MCU has aged better with time, especially now that AI is mainstream and normalized? There are scenes where Tony uses his glasses to see people behind walls and last week there was this new military tech that was revealed that shows the military doing the exact same thing using these AI powered helmets. Another example is how Tony interacts with Jarvis or Friday all the time. A couple years back, I used to think that's comic book bs but now I can totally see it. Furthermore, there's the fact we went through Covid. Endgame's themes are so bleak and somehow it's like ahead of its time, almost like it predicted that dark era of the world so it's somehow more relevant today."
juances192025-10-26 00:23
Who stops to question whether the *AI* is believable or not when he has a suit that flies and shoots lasers with a seemingly infinite power supply.
Butefluko2025-10-26 01:06
Just say you're confused and ask for clarification buddy no need to go after my person for triggering you.
So, to clarify: when I was a kid watching Iron Man I used to think the stuff with Jarvis was unrealistic and impossible in our lifetime but now with things like ChatGPT becoming mainstream, I realize it may not be so impossible and it had a positive effect in my enjoyment of Iron Man. It's like the movie was ahead of its time as I finally see why Tony is interacting the way he does with Jarvis as opposed to treating Jarvis as an it.
Defiant_Wheel48882025-10-26 06:32
what we use is not AI its UI
Stormik2025-10-27 10:42
It doesn't. We are long way from JARVIS level of AI.
Current AI can't even give me a proper answer to simple questions like "what is the difference between duck?".
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so no, it's nothing like what we saw in iron man - also fuck AI
Or do you think he’s truly sentient?
It's just putting words together according to an algorithm to make a sentence that fits a specific set of parameters. The JARVIS of the MCU can formulate plans and give Tony advice on the optimal course of action and the probabilities of success.
Jarvis is actually intelligent. If you asked it how many R's were in "strawberry", it would know because it can spell. It doesn't just aggregate every usage of the word it has in its training set and try and find links to "R's" and "strawberry".
Jarvis is also, for example, capable of using conversational tools like sarcasm and humor without explicitly being told too.
Jarvis is as far above the actual AI we have today, as you are from a speak and spell.
The question is is Jarvis smarter than consumer AI like ChatGPT or Claude or Google Gemini or Deepseek or is Jarvis just as smart as the unfiltered, raw ChatGPT only openAI has access to
Please point to where I said ChatGPT was close to AGI.
You -> is Jarvis just as smart as the unfiltered, raw ChatGPT only openAI has access to
Please re-explain your question if your question was not, "Is Jarvis, an AGI, just as smart as the unfiltered, raw ChatGPT only openAI has access to?"
None of the Modern AI can do what Tony can program his AI to do. Even a basic AI like Dum-E is 99% smarter then ChatGPT or OpenAi.
You have to remember Tony is a multi billionaire so he:
* Runs Jarvis locally (for privacy)
* Trains Jarvis using any means necessary including his own knowledge
* Has billions meaning he can probably afford to give Jarvis as much VRAM as it needs to have a big memory
* Has access to military grade tech.
Stuff like ChatGPT was probably available to the military way before we consumers heard about it kind of like touchscreens were a thing in the military like 10 years before society got it.
Knowing Tony he absolutely programmed it to be caring but also snarky and call him out for his bullshit.
And you'll notice when FRIDAY pops up and is even more snarky and challenging it's when he himself is starting to doubt himself more and is trying to find ways to keep himself in check.
I think the understanding is he very much programmed both to challenge him.
When it comes to the voice, yes it's more human than we currently have but that's more of an infection thing. AI hasn't yet mastered tone and inflection based on context.
It fakes it by defaulting to one same tone so if you choose friendly voice or snarky voice. And id argue that's kind of what both his AIs do. We're pretty close.
Now what the AI actually does when it comes to computation and data analysis is much much more advanced than what we currently have. Mainly because AI as it is, at least the ones made publicly available, aren't good at complex analysis and independent thinking. It does too much guess work and extrapolating that often leads to errors and misinformation.
You need to be REALLY good at prompt engineering which is a fancy way of saying knowing exactly what wording to use and you need to feed it very precise examples of what you want so it can learn and though that's pretty good it also means it's biased to give you exactly what you want by feeding back to you what you already gave it.
All to say it can't currently create something from nothing.
I would argue it may just be that Tony fed it A LOT of his won genius to the point where it's at least close to as smart as him and so all it gives him is a copy of what he's previously given it
That would be interesting in continuing the narrative that he only trusts himself and his reasoning
I guess Jarvis is like ChatGPT 5 level with deep thinking abilities and since Tony is rich he's probably allowing it to have a huge memory or something to work with
>it isn't too much of a stretch for a billionaire to have a system like that for his home
Especially when you consider the fact Tony worked with the military and technology we have today was previously military tech
They should have called a LLM an IA in the first place. "Fancy Autocomplete" is better.
Ironman 01 tech is likely around the corner. We have the exso skeleton enhancement. Giving super strength and most recently the exoskeleton to help in recovery and people walk again.
We have A.I. running houses with their fridge, and even their toasters are connected to A.I.
The sequels do a better job at creating tech that seems unbelievable. I think the issue is that you can't go in any one direction too much.
In the tech-accelerated world of the MCU, Tony has managed to self-fund and develop a collaborative AI that can design at expert levels, and he keeps it completely to himself as a personal edge. It's only when Stark Industries is run by Pepper that this tech is turned into the Fabricator, something other people can benefit from.
Here is what I posted yesterday:
"Have you noticed that somehow, the MCU has aged better with time, especially now that AI is mainstream and normalized? There are scenes where Tony uses his glasses to see people behind walls and last week there was this new military tech that was revealed that shows the military doing the exact same thing using these AI powered helmets. Another example is how Tony interacts with Jarvis or Friday all the time. A couple years back, I used to think that's comic book bs but now I can totally see it. Furthermore, there's the fact we went through Covid. Endgame's themes are so bleak and somehow it's like ahead of its time, almost like it predicted that dark era of the world so it's somehow more relevant today."
Are you in need of some sleep or something? I literally responded to you with exactly what I wrote yesterday regarding ai in my post. Here it is again. Wait, do you think this is a gotcha moment? HAHAHA. This is lame man. You're not even replying to my arguments and choosing to attack me instead. I ask again: If you know Death Stranding, would you agree that us going through Covid made the Death Stranding games more relatable?
>Here is what I posted yesterday:
>"Have you noticed that somehow, the MCU has aged better with time, especially now that AI is mainstream and normalized? There are scenes where Tony uses his glasses to see people behind walls and last week there was this new military tech that was revealed that shows the military doing the exact same thing using these AI powered helmets. Another example is how Tony interacts with Jarvis or Friday all the time. A couple years back, I used to think that's comic book bs but now I can totally see it. Furthermore, there's the fact we went through Covid. Endgame's themes are so bleak and somehow it's like ahead of its time, almost like it predicted that dark era of the world so it's somehow more relevant today."
So, to clarify: when I was a kid watching Iron Man I used to think the stuff with Jarvis was unrealistic and impossible in our lifetime but now with things like ChatGPT becoming mainstream, I realize it may not be so impossible and it had a positive effect in my enjoyment of Iron Man. It's like the movie was ahead of its time as I finally see why Tony is interacting the way he does with Jarvis as opposed to treating Jarvis as an it.
Current AI can't even give me a proper answer to simple questions like "what is the difference between duck?".