Never got the chance to see it in theaters so I’m curious how many like me are gonna add to the streaming numbers when this hits D+.
CommunityHot92192025-10-24 21:50
I watched it via Prime and loved it. It definitely had the right vibe, best take on the Four I've seen yet.
TelenorTheGNP2025-10-24 22:08
They leaned into the family aspect very hard. It's not just the basis - it's the purpose of the movie.
potVIIIos2025-10-25 09:28
Found Dominic Torreto's account
TelenorTheGNP2025-10-25 13:06
Found *your* account.
Heh, showed you.
Gonna_do_this_again2025-10-25 00:16
I went ahead and bought it on Bluray. If nothing else it's a visually beautiful movie.
Competitive_Ice_1892025-10-25 14:20
Minimal
MarvelsGrantMan1362025-10-24 21:30
Domestically, it's at #22 for the MCU, behind 'Iron Man 2' ($312.4M) and ahead of 'The Winter Solider' ($259.7M)
Worldwide total is $520.7M, which is #26 overall, behind 'Iron Man' ($584.8M) and ahead of 'Ant Man' ($518.9M)
One_True_Monstro2025-10-24 22:04
Incredible that TWS did numbers that low, even accounting for inflation. I really liked FF, but TWS is in a whole separate league
whitepangolin2025-10-24 22:07
I think most of TWS's cume was from China right?
Kind of amazed F4 did better than it domestically.
LetZealousideal67562025-10-25 00:04
Is that adjusted for inflation?
electrorazor2025-10-25 00:08
It followed two not well received Marvel movies and was a sequel to an underperforming movie.
KeepItClutchCity2025-10-25 01:34
It followed thunderbolts which was well received just not seen by a lot.
electrorazor2025-10-25 01:35
I'm talking about the Winter Soldier, it followed Iron Man 3 and The Dark World.
WreckTangle19952025-10-25 01:59
Besides the disappointed fans of the Mandarin, was Iron Man 3 really not well received, I remember people generally liking it, again besides Madarin fans, Thor The Dark World is fair though.
AtomicPlatypus452025-10-25 06:01
While I hated the Mamdarin red herring, I absolutely LOVE Trevor Slattery and hope he keeps popping up amd gets mixed up in all kinds of things. I can see him being part of some city-saving event in a minor way, getting fame because of it, playing it up for TV for a bit while dating Madisynn.
safdar9992025-10-26 13:12
He is in the trailer for Wonder Man.
zzyul2025-10-26 03:24
IM3 had an annoying kid b/c Shane Black directed it. Also it spent most of the movie with Tony not being Iron Man. Financially it did great b/c it was the first move after Avengers, but generally it is not ranked very highly in the MCU.
_your_face2025-10-26 11:58
It was considered pretty meh. There just wasn’t the weird arm chair movie studio heads in the weird echo chamber there is now for every marvel movie.
Spicy_Weissy2025-10-25 00:09
Bucky got the international hotness
unsupported2025-10-25 02:12
It's spelled cum, moran!
wickedsmaht2025-10-24 22:16
This is really surprising to me since before Shang Chi it might have been the most popular character focused movie Marvel has put out and it had a lot of hype when released.
**Edited to clarity**
stick1_2025-10-24 22:17
You think Shang chi is a better character movie than winter soldier?
wickedsmaht2025-10-24 22:20
I was not very clear in my comment. I should have said most popular before Shang Chi was released. Shang Chi pulled in a huge audience by virtue of having a mostly Asian cast.
Syssareth2025-10-24 22:42
[Shang-Chi only did 442m worldwide,](https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od5) less than even Quantumania. Winter Soldier did 714m.
Shame because it's a lot of fun, but it's really not that popular. 30th out of 37.
m_t_rv_s__n2025-10-25 02:04
Isn't the caveat here that Shang-Chi was released in September 2021, when COVID was still a concern?
Syssareth2025-10-25 03:16
Ehhh...I thought "Good point," but then I checked that site again. Shang-Chi came out between Black Widow and Eternals, did barely better than them (432m vs 379m and 401m, respectively), and No Way Home came out two months later and made almost $2 billion.
DUNG_INSPECTOR2025-10-25 04:32
I always feel like it's bit of a cheat to bring Spiderman into the discussion. Like, obviously Spiderman made a shitload of money, he's only the most popular comic book character in the world.
Syssareth2025-10-25 06:19
Again, NWH made $2 *billion* barely more than two months after Shang-Chi made only $400 million. ~~I'm not trying to make a point about which movie is better or more popular,~~ I'm saying that the pandemic is not why (or not *all* of why) Shang-Chi did such low numbers.
m_t_rv_s__n2025-10-25 04:39
No Way Home isn't a fair comparison, that was a landmark event
Syssareth2025-10-25 06:19
Again, NWH made $2 *billion* barely more than two months after Shang-Chi made only $400 million. The pandemic is not why (or not *all* of why) Shang-Chi did such low numbers.
lolzidop2025-10-24 22:17
Pre-MCU mainstream popularity for you. Wasn't until Civil War that the MCU truly went mainstream, before then it was just the Avengers movies, with Iron Man 3 piggybacking off of Avengers.
Solid-Move-14112025-10-24 22:25
Ngl but that's bit of revisionism since most Non-Avengers were really successful before Civil War too and Civil War was in fact an Avengers movie.
Winter Solider is weirdly low in general since even first MCU movie Iron Man 1 outgrossed Winter Solider in domestic at least.
Guardians 1 released same year made more than Winter Solider without being established IP and Iron Man 3 made as much as Avengers 1 a year prior
lolzidop2025-10-24 22:37
Most Non-Avengers done ~well, but that's speaking for what superhero films were at that time. As I said, Iron Man 3 done as well as Avengers because it was piggy backing off the success of Avengers, with it also being the end of the Iron Man trilogy (and end of RDJs Tony at the time of release).
After that you get TDW and TWS, with TDW making less than TWS managed. TWS doing poorly is a mix of it being a sequel to the 2nd lowest Grossing MCU film at the time, and TFA being seen as a solid *meh*. Nobody expected TWS to be as good as it was.
Skychu7682025-10-24 22:32
MCU was pretty mainstream by 2014 honestly like GotG 1 released same year made almost as much as a Spider-Man movie. I know Amazing Spider-Man 2 isn't considered a great movie but that's still a feat
Iron Man 3 a year prior broke records and outgrossed Dark Knight as highest solo superhero movie of all time at that point
Stuff like Dark World was doing 700M despite being abysmal quality
Syssareth2025-10-24 22:45
[Iron Man 3 outgrossed Civil War](https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od5) (barely, but still), which is wild.
lolzidop2025-10-24 22:46
It was entering mainstream around 2014, but wasn't *mainstream*. Honestly think word of mouth on TWS and GotG helped massively there, especially with AoU being next. As remember, Iron Man 3 done really well at the box office because it was the end of the Iron Man trilogy piggy backing off of Avengers (and the end of RDJs Iron Man at the time), but it also had a mixed reaction. With TDW following it, being recieved negatively and making less than TWS did.
Skychu7682025-10-25 00:12
Mixed Reaction is what makes it more insane. It broke records despite not being good
BravoLeader30002025-10-24 22:34
I had no idea TWS was so low! It's fucking PERFECT! Astonishing.
LongOdd15962025-10-24 22:34
TWS soldier remains the best MCU movie to this day in my opinion (and most people's, it'd seem).
Not surprised at its domestic totals though; The First Avenger didn't fare well at the box office; but I'd say that TWS' quality and critical success brought more people to the *next* MCU installments.
That's how it sometimes works; some great movies don't enjoy that much success themselves but bring success to the ones to come. The same happens with crappy ones too, e.g. Suicide Squad had a huge box office but its crappy quality brought down the next DCEU installments. Just my two cents.
babatazyah2025-10-24 23:50
I personally think Winter Soldier really changed the public perception of Captain America. It just didn't happen immediately. And then Civil War built on that.
Jadedways2025-10-25 00:48
I have a 7yr old cat named Bucky. When I’m angry at him I call him Sgt Barnes
CollinsCouldveDucked2025-10-25 01:57
Yeah marvel hasn't been one runaway success machine, it's had dips and wobbles before.
I know Ironman 3 has a lot of defenders and Thor the dark world has slightly less defenders but audiences weren't exactly enamoured with them and they spent a fair bit of avengers momentum.
The Winter Soldier brought a lot of people back similar to how Ragnarok brought a lot of people back. (The humour in Ragnarok got too much credit for it's success and I feel that warped love and thunder)
I feel Black Panther brought a lot of people in for maybe the first time.
The biggest issue with these later phase is no movie has really functioned as a rerailment, I think Shang Chi had the most potential for that but came out at the height of COVID.
I tend to take a different view of marvel box offices than a lot of people as I find how the last movie was received tends to have a very large effect on the next one with some minor exceptions.
The cinematic universe model is very momentum based.
LongOdd15962025-10-25 11:53
Shang-Chi is one of my absolute faves! Good (if a little clichéd) plot, interesting characters, awesome lore, superb epic music ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlUsduP\_YPQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlUsduP_YPQ)), great visuals... Had it arrived at a different time (say, instead of Captain Marvel, with the obvious plot adjustments) or in a non-Covid world, I wager it'd have hit $1B too.
TumbleweedGrouchy3362025-10-25 04:27
It’s my MCU comfort movie
MVPizzle_Redux2025-10-24 22:38
Inflation
Solid-Move-14112025-10-24 22:41
TWS performed really poorly in domestic. It is bottom 5 or 10 in terms of box office at domestic
International was decent at least so it still made over 600M+ although Guardians grossed it which was released same year despite not being an established IP
Syssareth2025-10-24 22:48
> It is bottom 5 or 10 in terms of box office at domestic
Shame on you for pretending inflation doesn’t exist. That’s incredibly dishonest and misleading.
Comfortable_Breads2025-10-24 22:53
Note this total doesn’t include a reported $200mil in partnerships and marketing deals.
SeekerVash2025-10-25 02:04
That's not how either of those work. They don't get paid $200 million. It was $200 million worth of marketing campaign that Disney and the partners split cost on.
That said, there may be a royalty on units sold from McDonalds, that does happen.
But that number the press was reporting was standard misinformation where they declare a big flashy number for clicks and then fail to describe how it works.
notJ3ff2025-10-24 23:24
This comment is proof that box office success is not indicative of a good movie. The Winter soldier remains one of the most well reviewed movies among the fan base.
Unfortunately, the fantastic four does not fit into the same mold.
TheLukester312025-10-25 01:33
Crazy that we live in a world where an MCU movie that made more than CATWS is considered a failure (don’t get after me about budget and marketing costs, etc., I know how that works).
MikeTheRedditGuy2025-10-25 02:34
You have to adjust for inflation. My guess would be TWS made more in 2014 dollars than this made in 25 dollars
DrMokhtar2025-10-25 15:50
Surprised the ww was that high. Movie wasn’t very good to begin with
Kwilly4622025-10-24 21:39
Pretty solid run, after such a huge drop after the first week. Sequel is all but guaranteed
matty_nice2025-10-24 22:01
Sequel talk is interesting.
As a comic fan, I would think the franchise is important to Marvel and should get a sequel just because of that.
Numbers don't really support it. 520M total has to be below expecetations, when we don't know the true cost (north of 200M, likely much higher).
Also, how do you make the sequel more successful. Assuming Doom and Galactus aren't gonna be used, that leaves Annihilus? Puppet Master?
I think the current rumor/speculation is that Marvel is going to wait to see how the audiences responded to them in Doomsday. Seems like theyh are going to get a heavy spotlight in that film. But what if the audiences DON'T become interested?
Post Secret Wars, there's probably going to be an emphasis on the popular franchises, and less films. Does Fantastic Four Second Steps have a place? I'm not sure where.
Soranos_712025-10-24 22:08
The MCU might have to start having more team up movies to help boost appeal for their existing character roster.In don’t mean big roster like Thunderbolts but two character team ups like Black Widow and Captain America in the Winter Soldier. They have all these characters they introduced who barely have had any screen time past their origin story.
matty_nice2025-10-24 22:58
I've had the same thought. Even when you look at Marvel's current A-tier of characters, we are gonna have Spider-Man, the X-Men, Avengers, Iron Man, Captain America, Dr Strange, Black Panther, GotG, Thor. Then you are gonna have characters like Ant-Man, Hulk, the Fantastic Four, Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi. Plus new characters like Blade, Midnight Sons, Nova, and I'm sure plenty of others.
How do you manage all those franchises at the same time? Especially when you want to limit the number of films per year.
Team up films seem to make a lot of sense. Maybe you put the new Iron Man and Captain America in a team up film instead of giving them solo films. Or Fantastic Four and Spider-Man.
eagc72025-10-24 22:10
Yeah some of the reliable trades did said that Marvel expects the sequels to do better if audiences respond well to them in Avengers, which i can see their logic considering Iron Man 3, Thor 2 and Captain America 2 did even better following Avengers (Especially Cap, which its first film is among the lowest grossing films in the MCU, then the sequel makes 700M)
But we'll see if Avengers can do its trick and help further films, but yeah as you said it will depend on how the Russos handle the team, like people were underwhelmed by Captain Marvel in the first film and the Russos didn't do much to move the needle with Endgame given how little she's in that film, so since people decided Carol Danvers is not a character they want to follow the sequel took a huuuuge nosedive
sjeiwgs2025-10-24 22:37
Honestly I think there could be a sequel boost when they appear in the Avengers movies (but that would also depend on the reception), numerous movies got a boost after Avengers (Thor 1: $450M - Dark World: $644M // First Avenger: $370M - TWS: $714M and etc)
matty_nice2025-10-24 22:51
It's a little more unique of a situation, since Doomsday is gonna be followed up with Secret Wars. TDW and TWS were released between Avengers 1 and 2. A F4 sequel might not come out until 2028 or later at best?
sevillianrites2025-10-24 22:03
Yeah even a lot of the r/boxoffice doomers who initially said Marvel was dead when F4 didn't blow up were begrudgingly admitting it ended up doing pretty well in the long run. On an estimated 200m budget it's hard to imagine the movie wasn't ultimately at least modestly profitable. Marvel getting back to form is a marathon not a sprint imo. So long as the projects keep trending upwards in quality, I think theyre positioned as well as can be expected given the prior state of things.
16tdean2025-10-25 01:50
Marvel could make 10s of millions of a loss on the movie and it still would have been good, because they make that money and more back in the real money maker. Merchandise.
Apocalyptic0n32025-10-25 09:06
The kids will love Fantastic Four: The Flame Thrower.
NoLeadership22812025-10-25 14:46
Don’t forget Ben Grimm’s smasherbating fists
SeekerVash2025-10-25 02:09
It wasn't modestly profitable.
The budget wasn't 200 million, it was "North of 200 million", which could be 201 million or could be 400 million.
Being realistic, probably in the 220 - 250 million range based on their other post-endgame movies.
But at 200 million, it would've made a few million in profit, not enough to warrant praise. At 220-250 million, it will have lost money.
DegenGamer7252025-10-24 21:39
What a disaster
el_palmera2025-10-24 21:41
It's not bad at all lol
Manhunter_From_Mars2025-10-24 21:49
It barely made money, we were expecting this to be the return of the MCU but it made such a slim profit that a Sequel might not make it back
Double_Question_51172025-10-24 22:02
It barely broke even so agree... its a disaster
Busy-Rip23722025-10-24 22:17
Incorrect. It made quite a bit of money, a sequel will happen for sure.
crumbsalt2025-10-24 21:42
Disaster? Thats an exaggeration
Solid-Move-14112025-10-24 21:58
Bit disappointing maybe although certainly not a disaster
matty_nice2025-10-24 21:40
For comparison:
Superman at 354M.
Thunderbolts 190M.
Captain America Brave New World 200M.
Weirdly, Marvel Studios doesn't really have anything in that range for a domestic box office. Movies are either higher (Iron Man 2 at 312M) or lower (Captain America The Winter Solider at 259M). Of course those other films had a high international numbers.
UltimateArtist8292025-10-24 21:43
The international market really carried the Phase 1-3 hard.
Solid-Move-14112025-10-24 21:46
I wouldn't say carried since that is what it naturally should be
50%/60%+ Domestic heavy like right now for major worldwide franchise is bad sign
matty_nice2025-10-24 21:53
Taking a quick look, this seems to be more of a Fantastic Four First Steps problem then Marvel overall.
Deadpool and Wolverine, Captain America Brave New World, Thunderbolts, were all under 50% in the domestic vs international split.
FFFS was at 52.7% for domestic split, meaning it made more in the US than overseas. This could be specific the film itself, this film may have missed some countries whereas the others didn't, or something else.
GillGruntFan532025-10-24 22:25
It was a CBM with almost no action outside of one really great sequence (black hole chase) and one kinda boring sequence (Galactus) in a season with a ton of dinosaur action and, especially, a ton of superhero action over at the Distinguished Competition.
Even if it was a good movie, it wasn’t an exciting one and international audiences want excitement.
Bhuvan32025-10-25 05:24
can confirm, from india here. most friends of mine skipped this move
thefuturebatman2025-10-25 16:20
What’s the distinguished competition?
CaptHayfever2025-10-25 16:33
It's a nickname for DC that Marvel writers sometimes use.
stick1_2025-10-24 22:18
That doesn’t make sense, the international market is literally every country apart from one, it makes sense for international numbers to be high, that’s not ‘carrying’, that’s just it being popular full stop
AmaterasuWolf212025-10-25 03:24
"Carrying" Because the US is all that matters, obviously, the rest are just there
PapaBliss20072025-10-24 22:00
And Superman was terrible.
JesterMarcus2025-10-24 22:17
Its likely the minority view, but man, I couldn't agree more. I was shocked at how much I didn't like it. I have never been a huge fan of Superman, but I had trust in James Gunn. But, ugh, the constant "and no one was hurt, all thanks to Superman!" Like, yeah, I get it, he's great, he's soooo perfect. And then still, the whole world turns on him in an instant because a billionaire releases a video he even admits was partially corrupted and had to be repaired. Sigh.
Poku1152025-10-24 22:17
Found the keyboardmonkey
Regit_Jo2025-10-24 22:26
Superman was really good
PSUNittany182025-10-24 22:40
I thought it was “fine”. Not good but not bad.
crispy_attic2025-10-24 22:04
I wonder how those movies compare in regard to marketing.
matty_nice2025-10-24 22:28
We don't get accurate budget information. Studios will often release production budget information before a film is released to try and sway a narrative. With marketing budgets, the same is true but we get far less information and it's hard to know what's accurate.
Variety reported that Thunderbolts cost 180M to make and 100M to market. That's probably the baseline for these films.
So something like F4FS probably had like a 220M budget and probably spent like 150M on marketing? My perception is that F4 was a more important film and they would want to spend more on marketing for it.
pink_plastic_bag2025-10-24 22:04
Captain America Brave New World made more money than Thunderbolts? Aw that's so sad.
Harrison Ford carry.
Solid-Move-14112025-10-24 21:47
International numbers is what doomed this movie somewhat
Domestic is #22 best for MCU and overall decent meanwhile Non-Domestic Numbers are #29 overall slightly above Eternals and Brave New World but below Quantumania
For Comparison: Dr Strange 1 made only 232M domestic but it's overall grossing was 677M meanwhile Fantastic Four couldn't even cross 550M
AsteroidMike2025-10-25 02:47
I’d argue what “doomed” this movie was releasing it so close to Superman’s release in theaters.
AlexitoPornConsumer2025-10-26 14:19
They thought they could beat Superman, hence they placed the release a week after.
AsteroidMike2025-10-26 15:24
A bad move as far as I’m concerned, they should’ve waited at least another week or two so everyone could go out and see it.
Oh well, at least people liked both movies so they got that going for them.
jmb--4122025-10-24 21:51
Saw it twice in theaters and loved it
ChangeMyDespair2025-10-24 22:10
Same.
hercarmstrong2025-10-24 21:54
I thought it was really half-baked, but I mostly enjoyed it.
Blueliner952025-10-25 09:37
Watchable in the moment and amusing production design, but generic action and I can’t believe the word of mouth would be that good. Superman, so cheeky, clever, emotionally meaningful had raised the bar too high.
hercarmstrong2025-10-25 22:36
*Superman* smoked *FF*, hands down.
monsieur_cacahuete2025-10-27 16:14
It had zero character development which I thought was an odd choice. Hell only one of them even showed improvement with their super power(s). Plus that weird tiny goes nowhere love story with the thing. It really was half baked.
TheeDeputy2025-10-24 21:56
It’s a pretty average MCU film. Not bad not great. And honestly, the fantastic 4 were never going to bring that big of numbers compared to Spider-Man, X-Men or Avenegers stuff. Surprised it made this much lol.
eagc72025-10-24 22:07
Yeah, like i warned people in the lead up in the film, do not downplay/ignore the fact that this movie still carries the baggage of the previous FF films, especially the last one which was the 2015 film, so FF was never gonna be a 1B movie. plus it doesn't help that the MCU is very shaky ground right now.
jacksev2025-10-24 22:39
In my opinion, F4 and Guardians 3 are the 2 best MCU movies since Endgame. I thought it was great.
AlphaBaymax2025-10-24 23:28
The cinematography of this movie is not "average".
Eryk02012025-10-24 23:56
Yeah but you need more. The plot was weak, which was boosted by almost entire dialogue being exposition. I love the visuals, music and setting, but it lacked substance.
Dan_Of_Time2025-10-25 05:57
Agreed, but it was only “above average” IMO. It was a good standard for MCU movies to aim for, but it wasn’t so amazing to look at that it was a main reason to watch the movie.
There were a lot of above average elements in that movie but ultimately if you put all of those thing into a slightly generic plot it kind of averages out the experience.
AmaterasuWolf212025-10-25 03:27
Yeah I don't know why everyone was so certain it was a 1B hit
ScaredFamousfan2025-10-24 21:56
They should put Spider-Man in the second one and see how much they make
Solid-Move-14112025-10-24 21:59
Sony owns rights not Marvel and he isn't allowed to appear in other MCU projects beside big Avengers teamup
eagc72025-10-24 22:05
Exactly, otherwise Spider-Man would've been the current face of the MCU if Marvel was free to use him anytime they wanted
va2wv2va2025-10-24 23:54
I’m sure another deal could be made though. And civil war wasn’t technically an avengers movie. I’d love to see FF and Spidey together
PSUNittany182025-10-24 22:06
That would be a full circle moment. When Spidey got his own comic book they put the FF in the first issue to boost the popularity of it.
It would be funny that now Spidey would be the one to boost the popularity of FF.
guidethyhandd2025-10-24 22:32
god I love the relationship between spidey and FF so much
Nathan_McHallam2025-10-25 08:03
Ya know I rewatched the 2000s FF movies before seeing the new one and yeah it's probably because it feels very Sam Raimi Spider-Man, even down to Doom basically being a less charming Norman Osborn, but I could absolutely see them coexisting in the same world. Like I could absolutely see Tobey Maguire hanging out with them and him and loan Gruffudd doing science together
AlgerianTrash2025-10-24 22:08
Tbh, iy would make sense considering how close they were in the comics
pokeboy6262025-10-24 23:25
They could also use She Hulk
No-Beach-69792025-10-25 02:16
Should put Black Panther
ObviousAnswerGuy2025-10-25 08:08
only if he wears the baghead costume
Double_Question_51172025-10-24 21:59
oof
nicolasb519420032025-10-24 22:13
Hope the sequel can get a jump after the team’s involvement in the Avengers.
SkulkingSneakyTheifs2025-10-24 22:22
I just think the superhero fatigue is pretty real, and when I’m calling 274 million a fatigue worthy amount of money then like… that just shows how big the whole first 3 phases were.
The movie market and obviously Disney as a whole need to reevaluate what they consider a success these days because the billion dollar “non-team up” superhero movies are very VERY far gone. Idk what Doomsday will do but I truly don’t think it’ll push Infinity War and Endgame numbers. Who knows but, corporations be greedy so maybe they’ll just keep looking at everything as a failure and then just explode and die 🤷🏻♂️
AsterArtworks2025-10-24 22:22
Remember every MCU hater dogging on this movie for its “poor” Box office performance (because they can’t critique the actual movie) can finally be quiet.
This new F4 was a massive success.
ChangeWilling59412025-10-24 23:09
Massive success? It just barely broke even.
AsterArtworks2025-10-24 23:24
They successfully launched the first good F4 movie that will profit off of for decades to come. (And we should even care about profits)
Just the fact it didn’t fail is a massive success.
ChangeWilling59412025-10-24 23:25
There’s a difference between massive success and breaking even.
AsterArtworks2025-10-24 23:26
And this was both.
GaryARefuge2025-10-24 22:46
This is what happens when you believe that putting out dumbed-down nonsensical garbage that seems to have been written, directed, edited, and polished by AI repeatedly while disregarding everything that made the MCU cool and interesting as a franchise. Not only that, they repeatedly ignored core aspects of the characters and world they built and established for the audience.
It started with Black Widow, went overboard with Secret Invasion, and hit its peak with the latest Captain America film.
This film wasn't bad but it wasn't good enough to re-build trust and faith with people to the point where people were willing to go see what the hype was about. It wasn't good enough to build hype with those who saw it.
popnfreshbass2025-10-24 22:48
They probably spent that on advertising alone.
SeekerVash2025-10-25 02:10
The marketing budget might actually be softer than normal, they were able to get an unusually large number of partners who will have split the costs with Disney.
tLM-tRRS-atBHB2025-10-24 23:54
Its a totally new era of movies. I just dont think theaters matter as much
TomClancy58732025-10-24 23:56
Hope they realize that we want more movies like this. Sucks it didn’t make as much as it should have.
wild-shart2025-10-25 00:31
Yeah Marvel is cooked for now
AsteroidMike2025-10-25 02:49
Good guess but actually no
Appropriate-Mall85172025-10-25 01:30
Cool
Educational-Tone-1462025-10-25 01:49
For a normal movie this would be pretty good, but Marvel's budgets are stupidly bloated. They have to find a way to get them down or they will continue to struggle to break even.
Caladeb2025-10-25 03:19
Another notch in the belt of Marvel slop. This movie was trash. Pedro is gonna detract more fans than Marvel could ever hope to attract with his casting.
Spacegirllll62025-10-25 04:08
I think the movie really fucked up by releasing so soon after Superman. It ruined their total earnings and cut short Superman’s run as well. It’s a shame because it’s a good movie but they had like all of June to release besides those few days HTTYD released.
ios_static2025-10-25 04:23
This was still in theaters? I was just wondering when it will hit D+
Dapper_Brilliant_3612025-10-25 12:19
🎶🎶 Fantastic fooooooouuuuuuurrrrrrrrrr 🎶🎶
Dapper_Brilliant_3612025-10-25 12:20
Anyone else have this stuck in their head for about a week?
BambooSound2025-10-25 14:33
Still almost twice what any other Fantasic Four movie has ever made
El_Quetzal2025-10-25 16:44
This is not me trying to be a troll or funny just a legit quiestion. Did people honestly think this was going to be a huge easy success?
Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-10-25 19:36
Brand New Day, Doomsday, Secret Wars, do your thing and bring in the billion bucks.
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Heh, showed you.
Worldwide total is $520.7M, which is #26 overall, behind 'Iron Man' ($584.8M) and ahead of 'Ant Man' ($518.9M)
Kind of amazed F4 did better than it domestically.
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Shame because it's a lot of fun, but it's really not that popular. 30th out of 37.
Winter Solider is weirdly low in general since even first MCU movie Iron Man 1 outgrossed Winter Solider in domestic at least.
Guardians 1 released same year made more than Winter Solider without being established IP and Iron Man 3 made as much as Avengers 1 a year prior
After that you get TDW and TWS, with TDW making less than TWS managed. TWS doing poorly is a mix of it being a sequel to the 2nd lowest Grossing MCU film at the time, and TFA being seen as a solid *meh*. Nobody expected TWS to be as good as it was.
Iron Man 3 a year prior broke records and outgrossed Dark Knight as highest solo superhero movie of all time at that point
Stuff like Dark World was doing 700M despite being abysmal quality
Not surprised at its domestic totals though; The First Avenger didn't fare well at the box office; but I'd say that TWS' quality and critical success brought more people to the *next* MCU installments.
That's how it sometimes works; some great movies don't enjoy that much success themselves but bring success to the ones to come. The same happens with crappy ones too, e.g. Suicide Squad had a huge box office but its crappy quality brought down the next DCEU installments. Just my two cents.
I know Ironman 3 has a lot of defenders and Thor the dark world has slightly less defenders but audiences weren't exactly enamoured with them and they spent a fair bit of avengers momentum.
The Winter Soldier brought a lot of people back similar to how Ragnarok brought a lot of people back. (The humour in Ragnarok got too much credit for it's success and I feel that warped love and thunder)
I feel Black Panther brought a lot of people in for maybe the first time.
The biggest issue with these later phase is no movie has really functioned as a rerailment, I think Shang Chi had the most potential for that but came out at the height of COVID.
I tend to take a different view of marvel box offices than a lot of people as I find how the last movie was received tends to have a very large effect on the next one with some minor exceptions.
The cinematic universe model is very momentum based.
International was decent at least so it still made over 600M+ although Guardians grossed it which was released same year despite not being an established IP
[Bottom 15. It's 23/37.](https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od4)
That said, there may be a royalty on units sold from McDonalds, that does happen.
But that number the press was reporting was standard misinformation where they declare a big flashy number for clicks and then fail to describe how it works.
Unfortunately, the fantastic four does not fit into the same mold.
As a comic fan, I would think the franchise is important to Marvel and should get a sequel just because of that.
Numbers don't really support it. 520M total has to be below expecetations, when we don't know the true cost (north of 200M, likely much higher).
Also, how do you make the sequel more successful. Assuming Doom and Galactus aren't gonna be used, that leaves Annihilus? Puppet Master?
I think the current rumor/speculation is that Marvel is going to wait to see how the audiences responded to them in Doomsday. Seems like theyh are going to get a heavy spotlight in that film. But what if the audiences DON'T become interested?
Post Secret Wars, there's probably going to be an emphasis on the popular franchises, and less films. Does Fantastic Four Second Steps have a place? I'm not sure where.
How do you manage all those franchises at the same time? Especially when you want to limit the number of films per year.
Team up films seem to make a lot of sense. Maybe you put the new Iron Man and Captain America in a team up film instead of giving them solo films. Or Fantastic Four and Spider-Man.
But we'll see if Avengers can do its trick and help further films, but yeah as you said it will depend on how the Russos handle the team, like people were underwhelmed by Captain Marvel in the first film and the Russos didn't do much to move the needle with Endgame given how little she's in that film, so since people decided Carol Danvers is not a character they want to follow the sequel took a huuuuge nosedive
The budget wasn't 200 million, it was "North of 200 million", which could be 201 million or could be 400 million.
Being realistic, probably in the 220 - 250 million range based on their other post-endgame movies.
But at 200 million, it would've made a few million in profit, not enough to warrant praise. At 220-250 million, it will have lost money.
Superman at 354M.
Thunderbolts 190M.
Captain America Brave New World 200M.
Weirdly, Marvel Studios doesn't really have anything in that range for a domestic box office. Movies are either higher (Iron Man 2 at 312M) or lower (Captain America The Winter Solider at 259M). Of course those other films had a high international numbers.
50%/60%+ Domestic heavy like right now for major worldwide franchise is bad sign
Deadpool and Wolverine, Captain America Brave New World, Thunderbolts, were all under 50% in the domestic vs international split.
FFFS was at 52.7% for domestic split, meaning it made more in the US than overseas. This could be specific the film itself, this film may have missed some countries whereas the others didn't, or something else.
Even if it was a good movie, it wasn’t an exciting one and international audiences want excitement.
Variety reported that Thunderbolts cost 180M to make and 100M to market. That's probably the baseline for these films.
So something like F4FS probably had like a 220M budget and probably spent like 150M on marketing? My perception is that F4 was a more important film and they would want to spend more on marketing for it.
Harrison Ford carry.
Domestic is #22 best for MCU and overall decent meanwhile Non-Domestic Numbers are #29 overall slightly above Eternals and Brave New World but below Quantumania
For Comparison: Dr Strange 1 made only 232M domestic but it's overall grossing was 677M meanwhile Fantastic Four couldn't even cross 550M
Oh well, at least people liked both movies so they got that going for them.
There were a lot of above average elements in that movie but ultimately if you put all of those thing into a slightly generic plot it kind of averages out the experience.
It would be funny that now Spidey would be the one to boost the popularity of FF.
The movie market and obviously Disney as a whole need to reevaluate what they consider a success these days because the billion dollar “non-team up” superhero movies are very VERY far gone. Idk what Doomsday will do but I truly don’t think it’ll push Infinity War and Endgame numbers. Who knows but, corporations be greedy so maybe they’ll just keep looking at everything as a failure and then just explode and die 🤷🏻♂️
This new F4 was a massive success.
Just the fact it didn’t fail is a massive success.
It started with Black Widow, went overboard with Secret Invasion, and hit its peak with the latest Captain America film.
This film wasn't bad but it wasn't good enough to re-build trust and faith with people to the point where people were willing to go see what the hype was about. It wasn't good enough to build hype with those who saw it.