What would be the origin story of Dr. Doom in Avengers: Dooms Day?

Since we are inching closer towards Avengers: Doomsday, what's baffling is that there has been almost no buildup of Dr. Doom except for the post credit scene of Fantastic Four: The First Steps. Here's where wondering starts as to what will be the origin story of Dr. Doom and what will be his main motive? How would he try achieving his motive?

What are your thoughts on the origin story and the main motive of Dr. Doom when it comes to Avengers: Dooms Day?

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JaesopPop2025-10-24 17:34

> what's baffling is that there has been almost no buildup of Dr. Doom except for the post credit scene of Fantastic Four

More than Ultron got. Not every villain needs a big buildup.

Otherwise-Nobody-1272025-10-24 18:02

This. Thanos had like 1 or 2 minutes of screentime before infinity war.

AmConfused3242025-10-24 18:05

But the infinity stones were built up throughout multiple films and were the over arching plot of the entire saga AND he was behind avengers 1 and gotg even if he didn’t have a lot of screentime.

Otherwise-Nobody-1272025-10-24 19:25

I will always stand by this.

There IS a building up. Just like the stones. But not in the way the stones are.

There are several films where the multiverse is breaking. Or the borders are weakening. And u know what is coming?

Secret wars. What is exaclty the plot of all this.

AmConfused3242025-10-24 21:54

I’m not disagreeing this other comment, I’m just saying that it wasn’t like thanos (and his influence) popped up in one post end credit scene and then infinity war like the comment was seeming to imply. And, I do also know that we have a lot of time to continue adding snippets of doom before doomsday as well. I have a lot of positive hope for the movie

Holiday-Doughnut-3642025-10-24 19:32

Incursions have been mentioned throughout multiple films and they had to pivot from Kang. If they continued with Kang Dynasty then you'd have people complain that MCU has no morals. Your argument only works if you don't know who Dr. Doom is at all and haven't seen Fantastic Four first steps..then that's on you i guess.

Massive-Syllabub-2712025-10-24 20:24

I understand that Marvel had to pivot away from Kang storyline. Yes, Dr Strange and Multiverse of Madness did explain the incursions and it is very likely that the incursions are coming. The greater the footprint, more likely are the chances of incursions.

Which universe would Dr Doom be from? (Yes, there is a Latveria easter egg is in Fantastic Four but IMHO, its still not clear if Doom will be of this universe)

Who are the anchor beings of those universe's? Deadpool and Wolverine did mention Anchor beings and for universe 10005, it is established that Wolverine is the Anchor being. What about the rest?

How did Doom learn about Anchor beings? What drives Doom?

It can be assumed that Doom wants to get rid of Multiverse and maybe just have one timeline or Main Marvel Universe.

Holiday-Doughnut-3642025-10-24 21:09

Doom is 100% from the Fantastic Four First Step universe..the post credit scene and the Latervia empty seat confirm it.. Also anchor beings was a tongue and cheek reference to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine carrying the fox verse..you can get away with doing this in a Deadpool movie that breaks the fourth wall. Also what's driving Doom is to stop the incursions, that's why he needs Franklin to stop it by creating Battleworld.

RihoSucks2025-10-24 21:35

The anchor beings being a joke on the fox xmen universe going over so many people's heads still amazes me.

AmConfused3242025-10-24 21:50

SwapandPop2025-10-24 18:34

He had more than that in GOTG alone plus his other cameos

RihoSucks2025-10-24 21:31

Go watch gotg again. The thanos scene is literally about 90 seconds long

SwapandPop2025-10-24 18:34

DOOM would never allow himself to be lumped together with every villain. He is DOOM!

igby12025-10-24 19:29

In a way it’s unfortunate that the Infinity saga is the reference point for a whole generation because they think there need to be multiple movies to build up a big bad.

Nope, movies work fine as self-contained stories and you can introduce a villain with no lead up in earlier films.

Wytstagg2025-10-24 17:37

Thanos had a 3 second origin story in IW/Endgame, we don't need one for Doom, he just is.

Timmah732025-10-24 18:06

For real all we saw of Thanos were a few fleeting seconds in after credits scenes until he had a couple minutes on screen in Guardians of the Galaxy.

Just do the actual character development in the movie and its fine. In fact look what a waste all the on screen buildup for Kang was lol

kneeco282025-10-24 17:39

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DemanoRock2025-10-24 18:19

Now I want to see a Hans Gruber prequel. Don't care as much for the bad husband McClane.

bbgamingandcollect172025-10-24 17:45

Multiversal traveler dealing with incursions, looking for the real bad guys orchestrating them to claim their power, revealed to be the Beyonders 2/3rds of the way in the movie.

Benjamin_Grimm2025-10-24 17:50

Chances are that Doom is functionally going to be the protagonist of Doomsday to the same degree that Thanos was in Infinity War and it will get explained then.

Stock-Mistake-18642025-10-24 18:03

origin story be damned! 🤣 from which timeline are we getting doom? his country's seat is vacant in ff. his nemesis is killed in dr strange. deadpool even got in on it. oh, oh, let's not forget loki. and with rdj playing the character and the iron man / dr doom beefs...who knows ...

evapotranspire2025-10-24 18:08

I expect Doom will have a similar origin story as in the comics, insofar as he is a brilliant sorcerer-scientist from Latveria who has been Reed Richard's personal and intellectual rival since college. (We've already seen references to Latveria on-screen, so there's one less unknown.)

I doubt Doom will be portrayed as a full-on villain, at least not at first. I personally suspect that in the FF post-credits scene, >!Doom was not attempting to kidnap toddler Franklin, but rather, he was greeting Franklin before urgently speaking to Sue and Reed about the incursions.!< (Maybe I'll be proven wrong!)

But as for why Doom looks just like Tony Stark... I've read all the theories, but none of them quite sound right to me, so I am very curious how they will end up explaining it.

marquis-mark2025-10-24 19:18

I know they keep saying he isn't, but he has to be Tony from another universe. My theory is the snap was avoided in another universe and Tony took Spiderman as basically a son. He was pulled into the events of No Way Home, as he knew Spidermans identity and was affected by the spell at the end.

Massive-Syllabub-2712025-10-24 20:35

I have read about this theory and maybe they'll do it, may be they don't. Maybe Doom wants to speak with Reed and Sue but it feels like he wasn't there to talk to them. (Just a hunch)

Western-Chart-67192025-10-24 18:34

They’ll likely mix science and mysticism Reed’s rival scarred by a multiverse experiment who returns to rule Latveria, aiming to restore order after Kang, convinced only he can save reality.

impuritor2025-10-24 18:58

We don’t know the movie isn’t out yet

Swing-Full2025-10-24 19:30

I'm curious about what they're gonna change his motivation to be.

"Some guy is smarter than me" sucks.

Like how they changed Thanos' motivation from "Incel"

Uniform_Yapper2025-10-24 19:40

The fact ur getting downvoted means ur right. Fact is its a rushed idea the marvel universe is so fuckin bad rn they're setting up for an obvious MCU reset. theres literally NO STORY set up to make me care about the next avengers just cheap Nostalgia bait cuz they have nothing else

MarcSpector17012025-10-24 20:05

Doctor Doom was a poor English lad named Jack who traded the family cow for magic beans, much to the consternation of his mother, Cynthia Von Doom, a powerful witch who was married to Howard Stark, a peniless yet sarcastic and handsome man. When Jack planted the beans in the front yard they grew into a giant tree which reached all the way up to Earth 828, a magical land of teleportation, faster than light travel, and inexplicable world peace. Jack decided to climb the tree when he saw how pretty Vanessa Kirby was, but he fell when he was nearly at the top and he landed, unfortunately, on top of his mother and Howard, whose bodies he crushed to death instantly.

Jack vowed revenge on Earth 828, and, using the various books he found in his mother's secret chest, he became a great and terrible sorcerer. He then forged a suit of scary magical armor that had four inch lifts in the heels of the boots, and spent the next fifteen years planning his revenge against Earth 828 while attending conventions and standing next to various handsome actors while pretending to be the same height as them. He injured his formerly "Latverian 9, New York 6" face in a tragic accident when he traveled to Mephisto's realm to save his mother, because the comic books said he was supposed to, but he forgot to carry the one when he made his calculations. Then he vowed double revenge.

paperbuddha2025-10-24 20:16

He’s Dr Doom, he doesn’t need an origin story.

Longjumping-Air14892025-10-24 20:52

His origin is one of an oppressed minority in Latveria and his mom was murdered by a mob who called her a witch - real nice behavior in the 1950s, but what do you want from LATVERIA? Really. So he grows up as a ward of the tribe, and gets his mom's trunk with all her mystical artifacts and starts studying his mom's sorcery. He also happens to be a technological genius, who can make gadgets and dodads to scam the racist majority nobles out of their hard-won money (that they "won" by oppressing the peasants). He gets a scholarship to Empire State University, and dives into tech full force. Unfortunately, he is class with Reed Richards, and Reed is just s touch better than him, and much more well-liked - Victor is an arrogant dick. So Victor tries his experimental dimensional breach machine, but he's off on some of the calcs, and it blows up and takes out the power for entire city blocks of the University and Victor is both injured and expelled. He resentfully travels to Tibet to find and study with mystic monks, and eventually he gets so skilled he becomes their leader. They help him build his technological armor, and they burn his face when he insists on donning the face plate before it's cooled - he's already scarred, what's more scarring when he never intends to remove the armor anyway? He returns to Latveria and leads a peasant insurrection, and becomes the undisputed ruler of Latveria. By this time, Reed and family have gone to space and becomes the Fantastic Four, and Victor hears about the heroes in the media, and he REMEMBERS Reed from college, and he remembers the resentment he harbored at Reed for being better and more well-liked. And so he starts his campaign to increase his power and discredit Reed Richards.

It's all been documented, all they need to do if film an origin montage and they're set.

And if they mess it up AGAIN, i'm really gonna be upset. The previous incarnations of Doom were travesties of the hubris of screenwriters - "I can make it better than the 60-year-old origin that pits a seething narcissistic megalomaniac SOLO supergenius against a FAMILY of super heroes." Cause the claptrap we've been subject to so far has been so much better. Ugh.

Massive-Syllabub-2712025-10-24 21:02

I am aware of the backstory but what I am trying to understand is how are they going to set it up in the movie and maybe answer all of the questions.