I hope not, but it is a possibility.

For those who don't know, Madame Masque is a Marvel villain who usually operates in the criminal and tech-theft world. She's basically just another mobster roaming around New York.

Why do I say it's a possibility?

\- She's an adult woman (rumors suggest the main villain will be a woman).

\- She fits in with the streetwise setting, and I can see her orchestrating a plan with Scorpion to eliminate the competition.

\- In some adaptations (like Armored Adventures), she has the ability to be a SHAPESHIFTER.

Basically, she fits perfectly with the rumors that have been circulating lately. The problem? She's mostly an Iron Man villain.

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Philander_Chase2025-10-23 17:16

Madame Masque was already used in Agent Carter

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-23 17:18

I doubt Marvel will remember that honestly.

brbmycatexploded2025-10-23 17:39

Lmao what

rtslac2025-10-23 17:46

It's literally the only pre-Disney+ show Kevin Feige worked on.

UnfavorableSpiderFan2025-10-23 18:02

Kevin Feige didn't work on the show, but his co-President, Louis D'Esposito did.

BaronZhiro2025-10-23 18:27

Also Markus and McPheely.

Jet-Let46062025-10-23 18:35

And the Russo bros directed a few episodes.

MCUFan20062025-10-23 17:56

Yeah, but that was Agnes Cully, not Whitney Frost.

SWPrequelFan815662025-10-23 18:02

Agnes Cully was an alias *for* Whitney Frost

MCUFan20062025-10-23 18:04

Oh ok, sorry.

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 18:18

Actually you got it right the first time Agnes Cully was her original name she changed it to Whitney Frost

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 18:19

Agnes Cully was her original name she changed it to Whitney Frost

GillGruntFan532025-10-23 18:04

But seeing as they’ve explicitly made that show non-canon when they went back and looked at the pre-D+ catalogue, they’re not beholden to any versions of characters introduced there

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 18:20

The pre-D+ shows are canon we literally see the human Jarvis played by the same actor in endgame

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-23 18:43

Although it wouldn't be the first time they repeat villains but with other characters, the Mandarin is the best example of this.

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 18:50

I’m just saying that the pre-D+ are canon. Not weather or not madame masque will be in the movie. She definitely could be considering Whitney Frost was not her original name

GillGruntFan532025-10-23 18:51

The only ones considered canon by Marvel are the Netflix shows: the other shows *were* canon at one point, but that canon’s since been shrunken to what Marvel Studios themselves produced with that one exception. They’re just keeping some good castings like D’Arcy’s Jarvis and Mount’s Black Bolt, just like they kept Jackman as a different Wolverine or Simmons as a different JJJ.

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 19:08

Nope they are objectively canon. They introduced the raft. After all the inmates escaped from the fridge. Also Coulson and fury sent the helicarrier to help the avengers. We see in what if that Howard Stark became a successful director. And gave up weapons manufacturing. Unlike his counterpart who gave up directing. Also In Marvel zombies we see a s.h.i.e.l.d. agent which means that s.h.i.e.l.d. was active post 2014

GillGruntFan532025-10-23 19:26

Marvel Studios, repeatedly, has come out and said they aren’t canon to the MCU outside of the Netflix shows. Every single timeline post-2015 has excluded them. While some castings have remained canon, the shows they originate from are not.

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 20:03

When did they say this people like you always say this. But you never say when. Also Kevin Feige said in a interview. For Thor 2 that the tv stuff are canon. And even if they changed their mind. Do you understand how idiotic that sounds. They can’t just say something isn’t canon. Every time they change their mind. By that logic they can just say that infinity war isn’t canon anymore.

GillGruntFan532025-10-23 20:57

[Brad Winderbaum: So, I can say that up until this point, we've been a little bit cagey about what's Sacred Timeline and what's not. That was born, frankly, out of a period at the studio where we were like "we have to stick the landing with Avengers". It was another part of the company developing the Netflix stuff; we were aware of what they were doing, they were aware of what we were doing, but it was a lot.. it was a lot to balance anyway. But now that some time has passed, now that we actually see how well-integrated the stories are, I personally, Brad Winderbaum, will confidently say that they are part of the Sacred Timeline.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/18xkfth/marvel_studios_tv_head_brad_winderbaum_is/)

When Marvel took a second look at the ABC shows, they decided only Netflix’s fit into the world they created. Everything else is non-canon, minus some castings they kept.

And yes, they can and likely will decanonize major releases like Infinity War in the near future with the reset Feige already announced. For example, Avengers Campus (which Marvel directly worked on) is a world where Infinity War didn’t happen, hence why all the characters are alive and coexisting. Seeing as a new Iron Man and Captain America are already confirmed…

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 21:09

The reset is irrelevant since we don’t know how much they are planning on changing yet. And even if we knew. That would be considered a different universe. In the sacred timeline right now they are canon. Since it’s idiotic. To change what’s canon every time they change their mind. All the pre-D+ mcu shows fit perfectly. In the mcu since they were made to fit. That is just a fact. Just because someone who works. For marvel shares a opinion doesn’t. Change the fact that so many events in the mcu. Don’t work if the pre-D+ shows aren’t canon. Please stop replying to me. It’s very clear you don’t actually do that much research. Or listen to people who do research. So just replying to me. All of your arguments are stupid and very easy to disprove EDIT: also you are not even trying to disprove my points. About how much doesn’t make sense unless the pre-D+ shows are canon. Like how we see a zombie shield agent. In marvel zombies season 1 which takes place in 2023. So in your mind where did he come from.

elpajaroquemamais2025-10-23 18:21

It’s canon. Jarvis was in endgame

Aerolithe_Lion2025-10-23 18:42

That doesn’t make it canon. Coulson and Fury were already played by the same actors in the MCU, that didn’t dissuade alternate universe talk

elpajaroquemamais2025-10-23 18:46

Coulson was in AoS after his final appearance in the movies (until Captain Marvel). Jarvis was in a show first then the movie. It was a very intentional decision to include him. They could have easily left him out.

GillGruntFan532025-10-23 18:53

The ending of Endgame is what decanonizes Agent Carter though: that show set up Peggy moving on from Steve with the (at the time) understanding the man she married in TWS was a different person. Once the Russos made him Steve, and that is in the main timeline per them, then that storyline and show are thrown out. What is still canon is Jarvis is played by James D’Arcy, but that’s all.

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 19:13

Nope Steve created a different timeline by traveling back in time Agent Carter is canon

GillGruntFan532025-10-23 19:27

The Russos and Marvel consider it still the main timeline since Steve didn’t interfere and thus cause it to branch off. It’s messy, but that is intended to be 616.

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 20:12

The Russos said that the Steve married a alternate version of Peggy. The screen writers said that he married the one from his own timeline. Check her Marvel fandom page. If you don’t believe me. Maybe you should do some basic fact checking. Before you debate with someone. Also you seriously believe that Steve Rogers Captain America would just stand by. And not stop the multiple atrocities that have happened. You clearly misunderstood his character.

Aerolithe_Lion2025-10-23 18:54

It was a fun nod for sure, but doesn’t implicate anything other than different universes can have the same faces. Professor X appeared in Multiverse of Madness before he appeared in Doomsday, does that mean the Doomsday Xmen HAVE to be from that Illuminati universe?

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 20:19

Definitely not the same situation at all. The iluminati Professor x died. And Agent Carter is canon just like the rest of pre-D+ mcu shows. We see in what if that a alternate universe version. Of Howard stark becoming a successful director. But his counterpart quit being a diricater. Also the raft was introduced to replace the fridge since hydra freed all the prisoners. And there are so many more connections proving there canon

SWPrequelFan815662025-10-23 18:05

I feel like this is one of those instances where, because the character is known for using a variety of aliases, Marvel will take advantage of that to do their own thing.

Whitney Frost can be a thing of the past, while *Giulietta Nefaria* becomes the Masque of the modern day.

LittleCupcake24782025-10-27 19:37

Comics Madame Masque also used the alias Kristine Longfellow when undercover as Iron Man's secretary. They could utilize it as the "real" name of the MCU's Madame Masque to differentiate from Whitney Frost.

kingpin0002025-10-23 20:18

MCU has two versions of the Enchantress, so it can happen.

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 20:20

When did they introduce two versions of the enchantress

kingpin0002025-10-23 20:31

The first one was Hela from Thor Ragnarok. Casual viewers wouldn't know Enchantress, because she isn't part of the Norse mythology but Marvel exclusive. They merged Enchantress and Hela to one character. She even got Executioner as her henchman in the movie.

The second one was Sylvie from the Loki show as female variant of Loki. The TVA calls her magic "Entchantments".

Tight-Tangerine-37362025-10-23 20:37

Oh that’s right i forgot that the executioner worked for enchantress I haven’t looked into Thor lore for awhile I should probably fix that

HellaWavy2025-10-23 17:18

Wasn’t a version of Madame Masque used in *Agent Carter*?

Anyways, I don’t see her as an IM enemy only. She was pretty prominently featured in the lastest KB/Hawkeye run. Despite that, I think it‘s a bit early to tell who the main female villain in BND will be.

Jet-Let46062025-10-23 18:35

Yep.

Sometimes villains fight other hero's too. But Masque is primarily an IM villain.

Don't know if she is the villain of BND though.

CaptHayfever2025-10-23 18:43

Yes, but she never actually used the name.

jesusunderline2025-10-23 18:55

There was a Whitney Frost, but she never used that alias or even wore a mask at all, and the series was set in the 40s anyway, so she could be a completely different character

AwarenessOk77482025-10-23 17:21

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Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-23 17:25

The rumors of a Savage Hulk remain just that: rumors. And from what we've seen so far, everything seems to indicate that Spider-Man will be relatively alone.

\- Bruce will be injured and taken to the hospital.

\- The Punisher will primarily be an antagonist rather than an ally.

Besides, Thunderbolts\* was primarily a grounded film, even with someone of Sentry's stature.

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-23 17:30

And yep, I'm not that convinced that an Iron Man villain would be the main villain in a Spider-Man one either, but it wouldn't be the first time they've done it and... being the devil's advocate, Madame Masque has also recently had stories with Spider-Man or people close to him (like Venom).

So she has a history with the arachnid, and she's also one of the few villains who fits the description given by the rumors.

AwarenessOk77482025-10-23 17:36

But the Gang War was a crossover, not a solo Spider-Man story.

There is a Silver Sable, for example.

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-23 17:47

True, although the event was primarily a Spider-Man event. Still, we'll have to wait for more information; as I mentioned, it's a possibility, and to be fair.

With Scorpion and Tombstone already confirmed, as well as rumors of Rhino, Chameleon, Tarantula, Vulture, and several other villains (it already seems like we'll see the Bar with No Name at this rate), we'll have plenty of Spider-Man villains. I don't think it would hurt anyone if the one pulling the strings was an Iron Man character.

I'd prefer it to having to justify why a goddess like Shatrah would need to rely on a psychopath to kill criminals and Spider-Man.

Even so, everything remains speculative.

AwarenessOk77482025-10-23 17:50

Well, it makes me feel bad - as if SM doesn't have its own villains, if they can take on others as the main character.

BackgroundEngineer112025-10-23 17:37

Well Iron Man is dead, so unless you want her in an Iron Heart story, she's fine as a Spiderman villain. The Mandarin was an Iron Man villain too but he is way better represented in Shang-Chi than in Iron Man 3.

Edit: also your example from the comics has her facing Spiderman. I don't know what your complaint is.

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-23 17:51

More than anything, I was referring to how the fandom would react. It was already quite tiring having to deal with the argument that "Holland's villains are Iron Man villains," even though only Mysterio would fit that bill, and even then it's debatable. So I don't know how the fandom would react if the main villain (even if she appears only briefly) turns out to be a literal Iron Man villain.

Many might not take it well, although I prefer that to options some have suggested, like Shatrah, who makes no sense for the film's story.

BackgroundEngineer112025-10-23 18:34

I don't think people know who she is enough to raise a stink. And the villains in Homecoming and Far From Home being 'Iron Man villains' is just in their philosophies because they hated Iron Man before they started trying to kill Peter. None of the villains had even tried to go after Tony.

Yeah, there is something to Spiderman not having proper solo films, but that could be a requirement in the agreement between Sony and Marvel.

mr_oberts2025-10-23 17:39

She’s not just an Iron Man villain. She’s also an Iron Man sex partner.

pink_plastic_bag2025-10-23 17:40

I like Madame Masque, she's pretty cool. I wasn't that familiar with her but she's dope in the new Venom series.

Unstable_Bear2025-10-23 17:42

I’d prefer madame masque to be saved for something involving Kate bishop Hawkeye, considering madame masque is probably one of hawkeye’s only genuinely great villains

Solid-Move-14112025-10-23 18:46

She should have been main villain of Iron Man 3 if they didn't want to do Mandarin instead of fake out they did

goukaryuu2025-10-25 01:00

But female characters don't sell action figures! /s

Practical-Debate15982025-10-23 19:41

Agreed. Hawkeye season 2 would be cool

AwarenessOk77482025-10-23 17:51

I'm sorry, but I think that there are a lot of interesting villains in the Spider-Man's lore that are primarily associated with him, and they can be shown on movie screens: Kraven, Hobgoblin, Mister Negative, Chameleon, Silver Sable, Beetle.

Otherwise, it's ridiculous: there's no promised street movie (thank the Wild Hulk), Spider-Man is working as a team again (even though we were promised that he would work alone), and they even gave him a villain from someone else's lore.

Batmanfan19662025-10-23 17:56

It would be funny to continue to the trend of Iron Man villains in the mcu fighting literally anyone but Iron Man

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-23 18:00

\- Ghost

\- M.O.D.O.K

\- The (true) Mandarin

And if I'm not mistaken (although it's not canon), Blizzard also appears in Agents of Shield XD

Solid-Move-14112025-10-23 18:43

* Ezekiel Stane in Iron Heart

_pixelcounterbot_2025-10-26 21:31

It is canon

Solid-Move-14112025-10-23 18:45

1. Ghost (Antman 1)
2. MODOK (Antman 3)
3. Mandarin (Shang Chi)
4. Ezekiel Stane (Iron Heart)
5. Blizzard (Agents of Shield)
6. Whitney Frost (Agent Carter)

CruzAderjc2025-10-23 20:43

Ghost was Ant-Man 2

PixelBits892025-10-23 21:00

It feels like stretching for villains to include MODOK. He fights Ironman sometimes, But he’s not an Ironman villain. I think he first was a recurring Captain America villain, and is now a general marvel villain. He’ll fight Cap, Ironman, Thor, Hulk, or whoever it is for the week.

domicci2025-10-24 07:54

but he's more in line with ironman's rouge gallery like ghost he's and ironman villain but is in more thunderbolts comics

PixelBits892025-10-24 07:58

Thunderbolts is relatively recent, and the main schtick is pre existing villains are on a team. Ghosts presence on the thunderbolts is as the Ironman villain. Like how Harley Quinn being in suicide squad doesn’t make her less of a Batman villain.

MODOK is in line with captain America villains. Ironman villains are usually armoured mirrors and business men. Cap villains are usually mad scientists and massive armies. (Of course there’s exceptions, like the Mandarin tbh, but that’s the general archetypes for their rogues).

domicci2025-10-24 08:04

I guess

>(Of course there’s exceptions, like the Mandarin tbh, but that’s the general archetypes for their rogues).

hes been done so dirty in the movies. i hope if we get a reboot we can get the real mandarin and not just use his name

PixelBits892025-10-24 23:40

Shang Chis version was pretty good. Of course not 100% faithful, but I think they kept enough of the character while eliminating much of the stereotypes. His power set hasn’t been done proper though.

domicci2025-10-24 23:45

But he's not the mandarin hes a fine character in his own right but its like saying ava or task master were good representation of their comic book counterparts. Hes just not the mandarin. I want my super intelligent alien ring wearing bad guy

UnicornButler2025-10-24 01:17

Blacklash/Whiplash was also in Agents of SHIELD.

domicci2025-10-24 07:56

god i hate they cut ghost from iron man 2 i wanted to see him mess with tony and hammer so bad. my headcanon is he's in the movie and messes with the ex-wife to make hammer look worse

UnfavorableSpiderFan2025-10-23 18:00

Most Iron Man villains from the comics become villains for other characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I mean, the most notable being Ghost and The Mandarin. But, also Blizzard and Blacklash in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and as some have pointed out, we also had *a* Madame Masque in Agent Carter, though to be fair, she wasn't Whitney Frost from the comics.

hc15402025-10-23 18:07

To be fair, it works the other way. Doom made for an excellent Iron Man foe in the comics

repalec2025-10-23 18:30

I mean Ghost was an Iron Man villain too but she slotted nicely into Ant-Man's rogues gallery in the MCU.

domicci2025-10-24 07:57

ava is nothing like ghost from the comics she's a worse adaptation then task master was

NowWeGetSerious2025-10-23 18:40

And, she can play into the Daredevil shows and The Punisher special, regarding Kingpin slowly eliminating all of his competition

AwarenessOk77482025-10-23 18:49

Practical-Debate15982025-10-23 19:41

She's mostly an iron man and Kate bishop villain tho no

No-Student66192025-10-23 20:09

Does anybody know if she has ties to A.I.M. in the comics or some adaptations?

Context on why am i asking this question: there was a rumor about the plot of the Punisher Special recently (not sure if this rumor is true), and A.I.M. was mentioned in that rumor, so i suppose that A.I.M. will also be featured in BND if this rumor is true.

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-23 21:23

I think I've heard that rumor, and yes, in one or another story, Madame Mask works for A.I.M., although it also depends on the story. For example, currently, if I'm not mistaken, she was working alongside Doctor Octopus.

ChattyDaddy12025-10-24 05:11

This movie in my mind feels a lot like the OG Spiderman cartoon. Very down to earth and in the streets. I hope my feeling is correct.

AwesomePocket2025-10-24 14:04

Madame Masque would be a little crazy when they are right about to introduce Doom.

Samaritan_Pr1me2025-10-26 04:31

Madame Mask was already done on Agents of SHIELD. Mulan had beef with her.

Randoml97892025-10-26 04:31

It could end up feeling overdone, but they could honestly play into her being a Iron man villain?

If anyone is still going to feel Tony's death it's going to be Peter (he lost Tony, was trying to cope with that then lost EVERYTHING). It wouldn't be out of the relm of possibility to have a villain Tony didn't even break a sweat fighting (could even have RDJ do a cheeky flashback as Iron Man while they have him for doomsday?) Get released and then cause Peter big problems...

It's definitely a BIT of a stretch to get to work, but using a Iron man villain could definitely add another heap of emotional damage onto Spidey.

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-26 04:40

It's possible, although it's also possible they'll do the same thing they did with Ghost.

"Iron Man villain who in the MCU has no connection to Iron Man."

I reviewed her story for another post on the MCU theories subreddit (which was taken down because it was based on rumors and leaks). The truth is, apart from the fact that the origin of her facially disfiguring accident is that she tried to rob Stark Industries and her subsequent relationship with Tony doesn't have much connection.

So I wouldn't be surprised if in the MCU they change it and say that she was planning to rob Damage Control, OXE, or some other company and the same thing happened, she failed, she had an accident, and her face was disfigured, thus making her a more general villain and not just a single hero.

Meme_Machine1012025-10-26 17:20

Rumor is it’s Shathra