I am watching Echo right now and i really like it. Why was nobody talking about it?

People were talking about it. A lot of people didn't care for it, while others, like myself and you, liked it. I will say the ending was a bit of a let down, but overall, I thought it was pretty solid.

imo It was too much of a set up for Born Again and lacked it's own identity.


This show was solid which is unfortunate.

At the time, people were screaming anger bleeding about DEI, to be honest.

It's a fine enough show, with fine enough acting and fine enough action sequences, but they couldn't make any real, long term changes to Fisk or Daredevil and absolutely nothing in the show has translated to any *other* show. It's as stand-alone and non-consequential as you can get.

Also some of the story didn't make a whole lot of sense, honestly. The story beats were sub-par.

I liked it, but it was pretty forgettable. I can't even remember what happened at the end. But I like the character and the actor who played her.

They didn't answer the question I had in Hawkeye, why did Fisk kill Maya's father?

Well it's been a long time so that's a big factor. It got meh reviews. I liked it fine. Was good not great in my opinion.

I thought it was going to be very meh but absolutely enjoyed it a lot

It wasn’t a bad show by any means but just one of many that contributed to the too much volume, not enough quality problem that the MCU has been suffering.

MCU used to feel like a special event. Now it’s just its own genre of content and there’s so much of it there’s a lot of average and only a little great with a dash of bad.

Two reason, nobody asked for it and it didnt serve any purpose. But it was okay show other than the flopped final. This is sort of a trend for marvel tv shows almost all of them had these flopping finales 🥲🥲🥲

I think it's because it was marked as a Hulu show so a lot of people kind of ignored it

I really enjoyed it myself. I think it got a lot of unwarranted hate personally

I enjoyed it but it didn't blow me away and I didn't hav e much to say about it.

I liked the first couple episodes but the weird magic toward the end felt very rushed and cheap - also the writing throughout is meh. I actually really like the character though and hope we see her again

I enjoyed it, but it was a comic book show starring someone other than a white dude, so there was a lot of anger from people who didn't and will never watch it dominating the discourse around it, making it such a toxic magnet that casuals were discouraged from talking about it if they bothered watching it at all.

I don’t think I was because it wasn’t for me. Felt like a waste of screen time better invested in heroes that should have gotten more spotlight by that time. Like Shang.

It was really hard to give a shit about and remember.

I watched the entire thing, and I honestly can't remember a thing about it other than Fisk with a Hawaiian shirt and like some Native American face paint? I think there was a motorcycle in there too.

You said it yourself. It’s a decent show. Sorry but the MCU is way past the point of delivering content that is just decent and having that being good enough. So Echo coming and going with little fanfare makes sense.

No male white lead, so it was never gonna get a fair shake. Mcu fans are the new star wars fans, once star wars died they all seemed to flock here.

Because unfortunately we live in an internet where the discourse around any piece of nerdy media that features a non-white and\\or non-male protagonist is almost entirely consumed by the smelly grifters and thick anti-woke brigade.


I thought the show was fine up until the last episode. I'm always happy to see more Fisk, and was relieved to see how Disney was handling him before Born Again.

But the ending was lacklustre and changing her powers from photographic reflexes to weird ancestral knowledge felt kinda lame.

It's just not something I wanted. I liked the idea of Echo as a character, but she didn't need her own show imo.

I enjoyed it actually, but the finale was ass

It was ok for what it was but nothing special. I think the issue with this is it was trying to be like the Netflix shows and it didn’t come close.

Because they simply didn’t like it. If you did, good for you.

Maybe they were doing it in sign language. I didn't even bother watching it though.

The changes to Echo's powers and especially the ending...

I thought it was sooo good. It was all I could talk about when I saw it. I loved how the writers made the character match the actress- yes Echo was deaf. But they made her an amputee also because of the actress.

When I found myself more vested in the characters in the flashback for the game, why they were being kicked out, or waited to bring in this “really good” player?

I knew, I wasn’t enjoying the show itself.

I watched it and thought it was just okay, kinda boring. Genuinely can't remember much of what happened in the show

I don't know what's good about it. The main character is absolutely despondent, the plot is lackluster, and there's zero contribution to the MCU lore (except for the post-credits scene). The only positive aspect is the charismatic Kingpin, and the scene of his humiliation (where he cries like a helpless child) really angered me. I genuinely hate this show.

I really liked the show and everybody brought their A game. The only issue I had was what a lot of the Marvel shows have a problem with which is access to Marvel IP. So many of these shows are kneecapped for whatever reason and not allowed to impact the overall narrative unless they're simply being added to an inconsequential branch.

Having one or two mainstream characters just passing through is a massive waste. Not only that, hiding all of the other ever-present superheroes is so abrasive to me when I watch any of these. They all come out of the woodwork for the big team up films but then they all hide from each other?

I thought it was very solid with a terrific cast. the last episode felt rushed and it seemed like there should have been another episode to allow the finale to breathe.

I thought it was aggressively mid. Solid action and I actually enjoyed the setting, but I thought the characters sucked, the actual plot was boring, particularly as we got closer to the finale, and, without spoilers, I thought the ending was AWFUL, and it has only gotten worse with Born Again.

It's simply a disservice to a cool character that I'd have preferred a better adaptation of. Her whole deal is that she is the Daredevil of sound i.e. She is deaf, but her other senses are so honed that she compensates convincingly. This includes being able to talk.

So you didn’t watch it on release and are just getting to it now yet you somehow know people weren’t talking about it when it came out? How does that work

People did talk about it. Other people were mean about it. Some of the complaints were justified, and some were just people seeking internet attention. I thought it was ok.

I enjoyed it for what it’s worth, but to echo (heh) some other comments, it just felt like nothing really happened. I mean the Fisk becoming mayor thing started at the end, but otherwise it felt a bit flat. Enjoyable enough I guess though, and hey at least it wasn’t Secret Invasion lol

You're in the minority, as is the case with most people on this subreddit. It's not a good enough show for general audiences to enjoy let alone care about.

Because it dropped quite a bit in the second half and that made it forgettable

honestly i didnt realize it was released.. and i enjoy\\watch most of the MCU\\TV stuff lol

Yeah, it kind of got buried by bad timing and little marketing. A lot of fans had already tuned out after other mixed Marvel shows. It’s a shame though, because Echo’s action, tone, and story are actually really solid once you give it a chance.

It was slow. It dwelled on things folks like me don’t watch comics for. Melodrama isn’t it for me

The Daredevil fight was awesome.

Cause it is the cool thing to hate on everything Marvel. People are so ridiculous.

It was a good show but I think it suffers, along with a lot of other Multiverse Saga releases, from Bob Chapek’s Marvel mandate. That being to churn out as much content as possible.

When a production of any sort is rushed, there just naturally is a lapse in oversight and care taken. And that’s why so many Multiverse Saga projects feel kind of “meh.” None of them are inherently “bad,” (besides Secret Invasion, but even in that case, there are a multitude of reasons for that) but many of them just kind of missed the mark.

The Marvel money printing machine ran out of gas and that is ultimately a good thing. It’s forced Disney to go “oh, okay, we should focus on quality over quantity again.” And you can tell in the overall improvement as of late.

>why was nobody talking about it?


It feels a little too detached from the rest of the D+ series. Like, Echo came from the Hawkeye series, but doesn't bring anything from it. And as a result, even with the Kingpin involvement, it feels like it all happens on an island, and serves to try to establish her character more than build it to be a part of the larger universe.

Worse, half of the series that have happened don't have follow up seasons, and no clear plans for their characters to appear. So there's nothing at stake beyond the events of the series.

I think the only reason why there was a little bit of conversation is because this made the Netflix shows canon and the singular Daredevil scene.

No spoilers for me, but I thought that, like too many of the MCU shows, it started strong and ended soft. That’s said, the thought was pretty solid. You won’t feel like you’ve wasted your time.

A female lead, with a generous sprinkling of racism and a whole lot of "I didn't ask for this" kept this from garnering more attention than it deserved.


While it isn't without criticism, I think there is lots to be enjoyed in this series.

It’s not talked about because most people didn’t like it. It’s another victim of “I hate the MCU post-endgame no matter how good it is” syndrome.

It was ok till she gets powers, then I stopped watching. It ruined the whole show for me.

Well for starters the director pretty much said the character sucked in the comics and made up powers out of his ass.

Wait until the last episode..

Because it came out over a year ago. It was fine with some larger universe connections but it wasn’t anything earth shattering

Echo is a fantastic character, Alaqua did amazing at portraying her (especially when she wasn’t even an actress to begin with), but we all know why people slammed the show and it had very little to do with it not being decent.

I do have to say, my only criticism is I wish Echo would’ve stayed a street level hero without the magic and had been added to Thunderbolts. She made a lot more sense than Taskmaster ever did.

I liked it but didn’t care for the ending

I tried watching it 3 times cause I wanted to see kingpin and I kept falling asleep each time

They never live up to the posters, do they? 

I didn't watch it. I didn't think her character was strong enough to warrant her own show.

I loved it, and I liked the ending. The making of it is pretty cool too.

Because the show sucked. She hadn’t acted before this role and it was evident. It was a time when casting someone that exactly matched the physical attributes was more important than finding an actor that could play that role.

We will 100% never see her again.

In my opinion this character was the start of the downfall of the MCU

I couldn't get into it. Watched 3 episodes and never went back.

It was not a good show. It wasted a lot of elements.


1. Fisk ended Maya's dad and brutalised that ice cream vendor all to make sure that Maya stays close to him. But after she leaves and goes to that family, he doesn't harm them at all? Wouldn't it make more sense that he would end them to get Maya back on his side?


2. Her careless actions have no consequences. She just blew up a warehouse by attaching a bomb to the cargo. What if it had blown up before? What if it had blown up while unloading? It was reckless but it somehow works, creating the message that whatever she does will work.


3. We never see her suffering due to her amputation or her inability to talk or hear as a kid. The only time we saw it, Fisk came to beat up the vendor. Wouldn't it make more sense if we saw more scenes where she didn't have anyone to help her which made her distant and rageful at world, which is why she became Fisk's footsoldier? Wouldn't that let the general public relate and empathise with her struggles?


4. Her powers are pointless. Basically any woman in her lineage can channel those powers. That reduces Maya's impact if that grandma and cousin can also use the same powers. All those great women struggled with the help of vague superpowers, not their resilience or perseverance? That dilutes the whole impact. We saw Steve Rogers fighting even before he got the serum, that showed his resilience and willingness to do the right thing. Also how does grandma and cousin know how to use those powers immediately, is it so easy to use superpowers? We saw Miles get his powers but the whole arc of the 1st movie was him develop confidence to use those powers.


5. Fisk was a force of nature in the Netflix DD series. Every time he was on the screen, the audience was genuinely scared of what he would do. In Hawkeye he gets bodied by car, blown up by Kate and shot by Maya. Yes his physical strength went up but his overall fear factor took a nose dive. And then in this show, he acts like a divorced dad trying to reconnect with his estranged daughter. Tell me honestly, do you feel scared when he is on the screen or do you feel comfortable that Maya will win anyway? Even rn in DDBA, yes we know that Matt and his team will win (cause heroes win) but is that comfortable or do you feel scared what Fisk can do to everyone?

Cool imagery and good acting but questionable writing and or direction

 Arguably Maya’s story in Hawkeye wasn’t forgettable or dropped but it was just another example of the show trying to do too many storylines and trying to tee up more projects. So other than follow-up on Fisk’s fate I don’t know if people were dying to see more of Maya in her own project.  And all the BTS news of the show’s difficulties probably put people off as well.

All that said, while not perfect I did enjoy myself watching the show. Not top tier MCU content but it was entertaining and felt appropriately reminiscent of the Defender shows (Id say it was better than a good chunk of the seasons from those shows). I don’t think it needs another season but I would like to see Maya return in Born Again or other street level MCU projects 

It definitely fizzled out towards the end. The first episode really hooked you in, but unfortunately they couldn't top that

I found it watchable, but what I really appreciate about Echo and She-Hulk is how appealing the support cast was. Interesting, quirky characters who really vibed with each other and with the lead characters.

Its the definition of mid


Middle of the road, fine while you watch, you forget about it roughly a week later

It's been out for a while now and reviews were mixed.

I liked it till the ending. The ending is what soured the show for me. And clearly the powers that be also anticipated it considering they released all the episodes pretty quietly without much promotion

Cuz you watching it NOW and you asking why people weren't talking about it THEN? People were talking about it then, you just weren't listening or watching lol.

I loved 4 of the episodes of echo, but it suffers the same fate a lot of marvel D+ shows suffer from and that’s a very weak ending 

The ending is why.

Because the title character is a queer woman of color with not one, but two disabilities (hearing loss and prosthetic leg).

But Echo was fantastic. I loved it from start to finish. And I think Marvel has realized that sometimes it’s better to let something be a sleeper hit. I can’t even count the number of times someone rolls into here (or the subs for a few other fandoms) where people say that when some title originally came out people were shitting on it and they believed or even participated in the negative campaign, only to come back to it a few years later and realize how *good* it actually is.

The common theme in these properties is that they usually feature people who are not men and people who are not white.

I’ll probably get downvoted to hell for saying all of this, but I stand by what I said.

I liked it. It was a cool story, and I related to it in some ways with being profoundly hearing impaired, myself.

It felt isolated from MCU, so I enjoyed it almost like its random old show.

They also did what I call "doubling down on minority" element - they quadrupled down on it, really. Deaf, Native American, lost family, AND was an amputee. That takes a lot of concepts and identities to draw from and spreads it thin.

I love that she got to represent herself IRL. But it's always annoying to me - also as a minority - when studios and producers essentially throw all minority statuses into the pot in one go and wave their arms to the world like "*look at what we did, aren't we just grand??*"

It's like they often have no idea how to give a straight up incredible depiction of a minority without seeing them arbitrarily, definitively, as a minority, and it often shows.

So Echo could have been a great show focusing on something that an entire demographic could celebrate as a whole, but I think they made the demographic theme so very niche that the momentum didn't go all that far with immersing its theme into one identity or another. Just...everything show.

I watched it when it came out and really enjoyed it. A lot more grounded and character driven.

The next couple of episodes might change your opinion...

I think it took me to ep4 for me to realize the show wasn't going to come together the way I was hoping and then the last episode just really pissed me off.

idk where you were but i remember seeing discourse of this show though?

for me personally, conceptually the show is interesting, not sure about execution. i think first few episodes i got intrigued, but around the end is when i kinda lost interest. i think one of them was indeed the whole ancestral powers. i think how they showed her powers was kinda goofy. idk, i think i wish she had no mystical super powers. it would really showcase her strength even with her handicaps.

Because it was released in a really weird way, and also because (disabled) minority woman.

I remember really liking it right up until the back half of the final episode.

I really liked it... Right up until the last episode which was genuinely awful, like amongst the worst MCU content I've seen. I won't spoil it, but hopefully you like it regardless.

I hope we see her again, I've nothing against the character or the actress. But yeah they really biffed the ending of Echo.

I thought this was cancelled LOL

The fight scene with daredevil is all time for me, I want more things from the thug,bad guy POV where the hero comes in and out quickly wrecking shit like Matt did

Echo is so strong she can slam an adult man's head into a bowling alley floor a single time with so much force his head explodes like a watermelon 😂

The finale sucked and the powers were awful. The powers' origin made no sense. Lots of things were not explained (like Maya's dad's death). Echo had a lot of potential as a physical character, but they had to give her some BS magic that looks like a toddler wrote it. "If I cross my fingers you have to stop being mean" What the hell was that?

However anyone feels about the show’s quality, the main reason nobody talked about it was that they dropped the entire season in one day, not week to week, and gave it very little promotion.

I loved the way they used the warcry in that flashback to the girl with the gun. Usually in movies Native Americans just used the warcry to announce their arrival. This short part of the story really earned the father's warcry.

You could really tell Native Americans were the lead creatives.

A lot of people hated on it without even watching it.

Unfortunately it was another project targeted by "M-She-U" losers and their video essays

OP posted this without watching the entire thing. SMH.

It was just really mid. You could tell it got heavily rewritten at some point since the first episode was completely tonally different than the rest of the show and the advertising teased something very different from what we got.

Also they did Kingpin dirty for the SECOND time since bringing him back which is just a crazy move since they were supposed to be building him up for Born Again.

I enjoyed watching it. Lots of haters in MCU for no reason.

What are your thoughts on the opening theme song? Catchy right?

It was forgettable.

Not bad enough to create an outrage on social media and not good enough to get people to praise it and talk about it later on.

All 5 episodes were dumped the same day on Hulu and Disney+ and the story/concept wasn’t special enough to create a word of mouth and build an audience over time like **Stranger Things**, **Squid Game** or **The Bear** did.

There is so many TV shows being released nowdays, on so many different streaming platform, that it’s really easy for them to fall through the cracks and end up being overlooked and/or forgotten if they don’t stand out in any kind of way.

It was good for me.

Female and coloured lead

Because it was boring. I really tried to give it chance, but it was really a slow burn.

I watched it when it came out. I remember really liking it initially, but not as much by the time I finished it. I couldn't tell you why though cause it has kind of disappeared from my brain so apparently it's not all that memorable.

I just couldn’t get into it. Found it to be boring and not interesting at all. Was hyped for the character coming off of Hawkeye but just couldn’t get into it. I thought the writing and pacing wasn’t good and the last episode wasn’t good in my opinion. Wasn’t as bad as Secret Invasion though. It’s definitely at the bottom of the list as far as Marvel shows go. But again, it’s just my opinion. If you enjoyed it, that’s great. I probably should give it another watch and make sure it wasn’t just my mood to see if it ranks higher for me. Generally when I watch a show or one of the movies again, I enjoy it more the second time.

No one talked about it because it sucked and disney knew it which is why is dumped on the platform all at once with little buzz. I did not like the show at all but if you’re enjoying it thats all that matters.

One mistake they made was releasing all the episodes at once instead of weekly. Anytime that happens it kills all buzz for the show after a week.

I'm probably gonna come off as rude but man I hate posts like this, just comes across as karma farming because the answer is obvious. Like those "does anyone else....?" or "Am I the only one who....?" posts.

The show was talked about when it released. It was all released at once so discussions didn't last as long as an episode a week show.

All I remember was the daredevil scene

I think dropping all the episodes at once kind of killed any chance of people talking much about it. I liked it a lot though

There was plenty of talk! You just missed it.

I loved the show too, the end was kind of awkward, but I thought the story was really good and a nice character addition to the MCU.

I liked it too. It's definitely better than what I expected it to be.

When Echo was announced I thought it sounded super unnecessary and wasn't excited for it at all, but I gave it a a fair shot and ended up really enjoying it.

I loved it tbh. Never understood the hate or disinterest in it.

I really liked it too. Not sure why many did not. Really enjoy her character.

I liked it.

The acting was superior and I thought the story was compelling and grounded albeit a bit rushed. I thought it was one of the better shows. Would love to see more of Myah.

Because there is a vocal online contigent that think it makes them cool to be haters.

Online trolls decided it was bad and thus it disappeared. Plenty of us liked it though.