Discussion about the Tony was always Doom theory. *Long post*
I do believe that, that theory is the likely the outcome that will playout but also want to know what you guys think about it. I know it's not concrete, so I'm open to other takes.
Before I jump into this, I would like to ask that you PLEASE leave ALL leaked information out of this post. This post, is purely theories made out of information what we already know officially from Marvel themselves, via movies already released or comments made by the Russos.
1. The Endgame dialog with his father: As Tony is about to depart, he has a touching moment with his father. Howard then mentions that his wife is about to give birth. Tony then looks surprised, which I'm sure the majority of us thought nothing of it than just a very sincere moment where he thought, "wow I'm about to be birthed". Well that moment was April 7, 1970. Tony's birthday is 05/29/1970 according to the shield files.
so Tony's expression may have been due to the confusion of him knowing that something wasn't adding up. That means Tony was adopted and never knew. I think this is the catalyst of why the Russo's said RDJ is the only one that could play him
2. Implications of Tony being adopted and He Who Remains: Lets go back to Season 1 Loki at the reveal of He Who Remains and the dialoge that took place. HWR said that he is the one that orchestrated everything up until that point in time. Now remember, before Doomsday, we had Kang Dynasty that would lead into Secret Wars. Now, how would that have been possible? After listening to more youtubers talk about this, it makes sense;
Tony naturally has every trait that Doom has. But due to his interactions and meetings of other heroes, it made him be more humane. Think about how many times Tony almost did something catastrophic/dangerous. Now imagine, if no one that he knew, was there to convince him not to do it. HWR, theorized orchestrated that, to prevent him from becoming Doom.
3. Why it may likely be earth 616 and not an earth 828 thing - Russos confirmed via an interview view with The Times back in march, that Tony's death in endgame is apart of the story for Doomsday but didn't elaborate how.
4. Why it may be likely that he is from earth 828 - The theory still checks out that he is Tony but the version of Tony who's life went down the road to become Doom for that universe. How it would still involve the results of Tony's sacrafice? I don't know outside of possible soul realm lore.
5. The mask that Doom holds in the F4 credits is shaped more like the mask from the Mark I suit -
I don't think thats by mistake or coincidence. If you look at the promotional art thar dropped last month, he sports a more lore accurate Doom Mask. He could be using the Mark I mask to lure Franklin that he is Iron Man and also lure others from 616. It is smart to do, assuming he already has knowledge of 616 Tony.
Before I jump into this, I would like to ask that you PLEASE leave ALL leaked information out of this post. This post, is purely theories made out of information what we already know officially from Marvel themselves, via movies already released or comments made by the Russos.
1. The Endgame dialog with his father: As Tony is about to depart, he has a touching moment with his father. Howard then mentions that his wife is about to give birth. Tony then looks surprised, which I'm sure the majority of us thought nothing of it than just a very sincere moment where he thought, "wow I'm about to be birthed". Well that moment was April 7, 1970. Tony's birthday is 05/29/1970 according to the shield files.
so Tony's expression may have been due to the confusion of him knowing that something wasn't adding up. That means Tony was adopted and never knew. I think this is the catalyst of why the Russo's said RDJ is the only one that could play him
2. Implications of Tony being adopted and He Who Remains: Lets go back to Season 1 Loki at the reveal of He Who Remains and the dialoge that took place. HWR said that he is the one that orchestrated everything up until that point in time. Now remember, before Doomsday, we had Kang Dynasty that would lead into Secret Wars. Now, how would that have been possible? After listening to more youtubers talk about this, it makes sense;
Tony naturally has every trait that Doom has. But due to his interactions and meetings of other heroes, it made him be more humane. Think about how many times Tony almost did something catastrophic/dangerous. Now imagine, if no one that he knew, was there to convince him not to do it. HWR, theorized orchestrated that, to prevent him from becoming Doom.
3. Why it may likely be earth 616 and not an earth 828 thing - Russos confirmed via an interview view with The Times back in march, that Tony's death in endgame is apart of the story for Doomsday but didn't elaborate how.
4. Why it may be likely that he is from earth 828 - The theory still checks out that he is Tony but the version of Tony who's life went down the road to become Doom for that universe. How it would still involve the results of Tony's sacrafice? I don't know outside of possible soul realm lore.
5. The mask that Doom holds in the F4 credits is shaped more like the mask from the Mark I suit -
I don't think thats by mistake or coincidence. If you look at the promotional art thar dropped last month, he sports a more lore accurate Doom Mask. He could be using the Mark I mask to lure Franklin that he is Iron Man and also lure others from 616. It is smart to do, assuming he already has knowledge of 616 Tony.
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>so Tony's expression may have been due to the confusion of him knowing that something wasn't adding up. That means Tony was adopted and never knew. I think this is the catalyst of why the Russo's said RDJ is the only one that could play him
Being 1 month out feom giving birth is very much 'about to give birth' the logical jump to 'this means he is adopted' is breathtaking
>Implications of Tony being adopted and He Who Remains: Lets go back to Season 1 Loki at the reveal of He Who Remains and the dialoge that took place. HWR said that he is the one that orchestrated everything up until that point in time.
All that was written before a course correct and and bringing in RDJ. It has nothing to do with the Doom origin
>Why it may likely be earth 616 and not an earth 828 thing - Russos confirmed via an interview view with The Times back in march, that Tony's death in endgame is apart of the story for Doomsday but didn't elaborate how.
No he didn't. He said 'that's part of the story', as in ' im not telling you any more because its part of the plot' that does not automatically equate to Tony's death in End game is part of Dooms origin story.
>Why it may be likely that he is from earth 828 - The theory still checks out that he is Tony but the version of Tony who's life went down the road to become Doom for that universe. How it would still involve the results of Tony's sacrafice? I don't know outside of possible soul realm lore.
This is all just baseless speculation. None of what you've written above backs this up, its just another leap.
>The mask that Doom holds in the F4 credits is shaped more like the mask from the Mark I suit.
No it isnt
>He could be using the Mark I mask to lure Franklin that he is Iron Man
Franklin doesn't know Iron Man, there's no mention of other superheros in the FF universe.
It's just as likely that Doom has zero to do with Stark and they have hired RDJ because he's an Oscar winning character actor who has generated buzz for the film and it gives them an opportunity to film a cameo as Stark, without them having to hide it.
Clever retcons along the way have helped create this myth.
Even if they do a complete AltTony = Doom storyline (ugh) you will never convince me it was a plan before Kang went sideways and RDJ decided he wanted more Marvel money.