The fact like Secret Invasion didn't have any scenes like this at all is a crime

There wasn't a scene (or if there was and I forgot about it then it probably wasn't particularly notable), where two actors go all out where neither character, at least seems to know, if the other is actually themselves. Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. had a better Secret Invasion than Secret Invasion.

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Chumbaroony2025-10-22 15:22

What the actual fuck? Who in their right minds would actually even put those two shows on the same level to the point where you thought you needed to make this post? Agents of Shield is exponentially better than Secret Invasion, and it's not even close actually.

Danal12025-10-22 15:28

That’s kinda what the post is saying

graveybrains2025-10-22 16:02

It goes without saying

Levanjm2025-10-22 15:29

Pretty sure that is the point of the OP. Never says the two shows are on the same level and talks about how scenes like this make AOS better that Secret Invasion.

marvelcomics222025-10-22 15:35

Everyone knows AoS is better. In concept it's a similar story, and I'm highlighting the faults of Secret Invasion to pull off something like this, then again, it's is hard to be perfect. (but Secret Invasion has no excuses)

Chumbaroony2025-10-22 16:03

Sorry I guess I was taken aback by the fact you're even comparing them as a long time AoS defender. These shows aren't even in the same realm, so comparing them is like comparing dogshit to apples. Like saying "here's why absolute dog shit tastes worse than apples..."

fiascoist2025-10-22 15:28

This scene was a highlight of this arc. Genuinely scary and emotionally impactful.

Admirable-Reaction712025-10-22 15:37

And an insane highlight for the actors talents as well. Like holy crap Iain and Elizabeth.

fiascoist2025-10-22 15:40

They really were huge assets for this show. Fitz was definitely missed in those later seasons when he was halfway out of the show.

Character-Owl94082025-10-22 15:42

I thought the same thing. It made sense for the story line but the actual product definitely missed him

thepasystem2025-10-22 16:22

They had to make it make sense for the story because of scheduling conflicts.

Sentz120002025-10-22 17:41

The final season was a huge disappointment when he wasn’t there until the last 2 episodes.

AnOnlineHandle2025-10-22 16:51

This clip ends before the strongest part as well, where he cuts his arm open to prove he's human and she panics and rushes over to help him while he's screaming, then his face goes stone cold and he turns around and stabs her.

Then she escapes and bumps into Daisy and has an even tenser moment.

EightBiscuit012025-10-22 16:26

It’s absolutely amazing but to me the arc has one moment that completely top this:

“The truth is, I’m not just a history teacher. My name is Phil Coulson and I am an Agent of SHIELD”

rubycalaberXX2025-10-22 16:44

When I rewatched AoS I was blown away by how much better the writing is in the LMD arc than Secret Invasion in only the first scene of it.

It's a similar story: a non-human that can pose as one (in this case, the first Life Model Decoy, Aida) and used to be an ally to SHIELD spies has turned on humans by abducting them into sleep pods so other infiltrators can take their place. In AoS this is revealed by showing Aida, who we just saw murder a minor SHIELD Agent she's been working with for four episodes, tending to a drugged Agent May. Then we cut to the "Agent May" we've been following for most of the episode, revealing they were switched at the start when May went to meet Aida, having a flirtatious drink with Coulson. Cut to black. End of episode.

This super efficiently builds an immense amount of tension in 4 main ways. 1) We are worried for May, a main character, being held captive by a killer robot. 2) We know a fake May robot is embedded with our oblivious main characters so we are worried for them too and want to see what hapens next with her. 3) The fake May fooled the audience for most of the episode too so we are being primed to expect more shocking twists and, consciously or not, empathize with the characters still being manipulated and fear her. 4) We have no idea what Aida's plan, goal or motivation is and want to find out.

Contrast this with how Secret Invasion introduces it's "body snatchers" story; it's the polar opposite of these ways to ratchet up the thrills. 1) Everett is a character we know so little about for all we know he was never a real person to worry about being held captive (which we only learn is the case in the ending) as it's not clear (and never becomes clear) when he was switched out. 2) Talos had already learned (off-screen, somehow) Everett was an enemy Skrull, so our heroes were never in any danger and Skrull!Everett dies so has no future impact on the plot. 3) It's telegraphed that Everett is a Skrull as we see him preparing a gun before meeting with the new character, priming us for obvious and stupid bad guys. 4) The conspiracy theorist (who we never hear about again) literally exposition dumps the villains plan to start world war 3, their goal to steal Earth and even their motivation of anger at Fury for not finding them a planet, giving away far too much info to the audience for the first scene of a supposed spy thriller.

Secret Invasion took 8 minutes to deliver this bollocks, that's mostly dialog about a nonsensical plot mostly happening off-screen, while AoS did their fantastic set up in just a 1 minute long post-credits scene with only four lines of dialog but you understand all of it from showing what the characters are currently doing without anyone needing to explain anything to you. Almost like it was taking place in a visual storytelling medium or something.

Affectionate-Day83072025-10-22 17:16

A key aspect is that the show earned this moment through character development. Secret invasion fridged the only long running character in Maria Hill.

Hufa1232025-10-22 17:18

Honestly, this scene is the highlight of the entire MCU.

Hufa1232025-10-22 17:18

Honestly, this scene is the highlight of the entire MCU.

romafa2025-10-22 15:29

You’re breaking the first rule of the sub: we don’t talk about Secret Invasion.

PCofSHIELD2025-10-22 15:31

7 years later I still think this is the best hour of Comic-Book Television

marvelcomics222025-10-22 15:36

This episode was amazing. The season as a whole was pretty great. AoS is one of, if not the best live action comic-book televison shows.

bokmcdok2025-10-22 16:08

It took a comic/sci-fi story and descended into pure horror. Probably one of the scariest things to ever come out of the MCU.

Incominn2025-10-22 16:12

Season 2 arrow, slade ambush is still in my top 3 unsure if this knocks it out, hell of scene and lead up

FPG_Matthew2025-10-22 16:12

DD s2e3 New York’s Finest for me. Matt and Frank on the rooftop is unbeatable

PCofSHIELD2025-10-22 16:27

Everything between Matt and Frank that episode incredible but the rest was kind of forgettable there’s a few episodes of Daredevil I think is better

vidoardes2025-10-22 18:42

I love AoS and am one of its biggest fans, but I agree with you on this one. The way Charlie and Jon play off each other is some of the best acting we've had in the MCU, WandaVision a close second.

asiantorontonian882025-10-22 16:17

AoS as a whole is the best television series based on a comic book property.

b00st3d2025-10-22 16:22

I assume you mean live action, otherwise that’s a crazy statement.

PCofSHIELD2025-10-22 16:32

The animated shows are massively overrated

b00st3d2025-10-22 16:44

Batman TAS, Justice League, Young Justice, Teen Titans, X-Men 97, and Invincible are all far better comic based TV shows.

Fyller2025-10-22 17:47

I'd say Legion takes that title for me.

Abraham_Issus2025-10-22 18:24

Yet Feige blacklisted AoS characters. I hate that he refuses to bring them back

LogMonsa2025-10-22 18:46

Yeah I hate how some people still wants to deny that Feige is purposefully avoiding AoS himself. If he wants to, he can bring them back somehow in any Disney+ shows or small movie cameo roles.

The only reason that Jarvis from Agent Carter even shows up in Endgame and announced for VisionQuest is because Feige worked on Agent Carter. Same reason with Peggy on everything like What If and Multiverse of Madness.

ScuzzBuckster2025-10-22 20:54

Yeah Fiege pretty much dropped everything from the Ike Perlmutter days and unfortunately AoS is one of those properties. The divide between marvel tv and marvel films on the executive side was stark and tense back then. Once they got rid of Perlmutter, they pretty much dropped his entire marvel legacy.

I dont *blame* them cause Perlmutter was a pos, but, it sucks for agents of SHIELD.

Chem_BPY2025-10-22 17:09

Agreed. I also really loved the tie-in episode to winter soldier in season 1.

Before that episode it was just a show I had on in the background. That's what really got me hooked.

NoMouseLaptop2025-10-22 19:56

That’s when they actually established what the over arching plot line for that season (and for the series in general) would be. Before that it was all monster of the week episodes to introduce and flesh out the cast.

lanceturley2025-10-22 20:06

I love how up until that episode you're led to believe that Ward is just another 'generic attractive male protagonist' like you see in a million other prime time action/dramas, but then you find out it's just his cover to infiltrate the team. He went from my least favorite character to one of the best characters on the show in an instant.

BIGDOOKY152025-10-22 15:35

The acting and writing in AoS had no right being as good as it was. We really didn't realize what we had before all the Disney+ shows. It was special.

Calligrapher_Antique2025-10-22 15:35

I need a deep-dive documentary into exactly wtf went wrong with Secret Invasion. Because it had so much potential and it's a travesty.

BrianWonderful2025-10-22 15:51

I think the biggest obvious point is that "Secret Invasion" worked much better in the comics because it could include all kinds of superheroes and decades of Skrull familiarity of comic book readers. The show had to focus on (mostly) unknown spies and government personnel for budget reasons. They also couldn't do any big shockers like saying <choose an Avenger> was secretly a Skrull for years because there just isn't enough history in the MCU. It would completely invalidate everything we know about said character.

They really should never have adapted it without making it an Avengers movie. It would have been more fun as a movie where the Avengers are trying to root out shape changers in world leadership positions without knowing if one of their own is a Skrull.

Dominant_Gene2025-10-22 16:23

yeah, also that most of the skrulls were actually good, and only a few "radicals" were the bad ones

Marc_Quill2025-10-22 17:15

for a comparison, look at how Avengers EMH handled Secret Invasion:

S1 ended with a hook of a familiar Avenger being attacked and replaced by a Skrull. Then the early half of S2 was the audience knowing said Avenger had been replaced, but the other characters were none the wiser and the tension was this character slowly plotting for the Invasion to start, then the big blowoff.

Granted, it's kind of unfair to compare a live-action project with a cartoon where they could include a lot of established superhero/villain characters without worrying about budget strain.

ladystetson2025-10-22 17:32

and in the comics, the beginnings of the arc were spread and foreshadowed throughout different books.

In Deadpool, he was going through a normal arc and realized some people were skrulls - wait what?

In Avengers, they were going through a normal arc fighting the hand - and then we find out Elektra is a skrull - wait what?

These tiny discoveries keep happening until the illuminati discuss it and realize that a full replacement has likely already happened and that any of them could be a skrull - and one of them was - it was wild and jaw dropping and then the arc properly kicked off where you're not sure who to trust (it was heavily hinted that Iron Man was a skrull).

The TV show? Sam Jackson has a skrull wife. roll credits. BIZARRE.

ricree2025-10-22 20:45

Given how many different shows there were, it could have been their "TV Avengers" in the sense of being a big climactic teamup show (in the same was that Defenders was for the netflix MCU). Sprinkle some of that buildup throughout the other shows as hints leading up to it, with the actual series bringing back characters and plots that had only been hinted at in the other shows.

Of course, the actual quality of The Defenders is proof that this isn't a panacea, but it would at least be better than what we actually got.

ExultantSandwich2025-10-23 06:28

Yeah Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Everett Ross, Rhodey, Monica Rambeau, Jimmy Woo, Darcy, Tyler Hayward (asshole agent dude in WandaVision), Sharon Carter, Valentina,

They really needed to make it like the White Lotus, or Knives Out, in all seriousness. Shack up all these characters at the new Sword base or whatever and have them go at each other, make alliances and break them and etc etc.

It could have actually been really cool, and a great opportunity for appearances from characters we don’t see often.

Bring in Coulson or Daisy Johnson at the end (they’ve seen this before) and it doesn’t even have to be particularly good, we all would have eaten it up.

Spend that bloated budget on the cast, we don’t need people turning into superheroes. The whole point should be the Skrull’s can’t emulate powers, and these people don’t have powers anyways.

CaptHayfever2025-10-22 18:38

> They also couldn't do any big shockers like saying <choose an Avenger> was secretly a Skrull for years because there just isn't enough history in the MCU. It would completely invalidate everything we know about said character.

This is exactly why the LMD arc *could* work & Secret Invasion *couldn't*. When you can only use characters who only appear in the films/miniseries, there simply isn't enough screen-time to waste for any of them to be impostors for any significant length of story-time.

goodmobileyes2025-10-22 20:59

I disagree I think it could have worked as a grounded spy thriller series that they were vaguely attempting. It may not have shocking cameos with the big heroes but a spy show with a shapeshifting enemy could have been a homerun if they actually knew what they were doing. Instead you have old Nick Fury stumbling from scene to scene and you never actually get the tension of wondering "is this person who they say they are?" Cos the writers were absolutely incapable of building any tension.

romafa2025-10-22 16:51

The worst part is that it completely glossed over Fury lying to and using the Skrulls for decades. He never intended nor had the ability to find them a home planet. He manipulated them into being his spies and then never faces consequences for it. They have the "bad guy" do terroristic acts so that the average viewer knows he's the bad guy. A better show would have made Fury the bad guy for what he did. He didn't even have to hear the villain's monologue at the end because it wasn't really Fury, it was G'iah.

Calligrapher_Antique2025-10-22 19:24

The president declares open season on aliens. Humans are now murdering them in the streets, free of consequence, because of Fury.

And he just says Peace out, I'm going on a goofy space adventure with The Marvels now.

AnOnlineHandle2025-10-22 16:56

The version they aired was the 2nd attempt after they scrapped the first and refilmed it, which is... extra confusing.

jaemoon72025-10-22 18:28

Total waste of potential. The nature of skrulls being shapeshifters made me constantly guessing “who is a skrull?” The show feeds it to you that Rhodey is a skrull, but nobody is really paranoid about anyone else, nobody is like unsure of who they can trust… I kept thinking the show was deceiving the audience and I’m looking around for clues, but no, it really was that dumbed down.

At least Captain Marvel had doubts and trusted no one in her first movie, fearing they might be a Skrull.

NikoOo12042025-10-22 15:36

Shame it does not include the scene when Fitz' expression goes from fear and pain to pokerface as she is stabbing him.

fiascoist2025-10-22 15:38

What Secret Invasion was missing (among many things) was the pool of characters we knew and were invested in. Yes, it had Nick Fury and James Rhodes (and Maria Hill and Everett Ross for like 5 minutes). But by the time Agents of SHIELD did this LMD arc, we had hours and hours invested into nearly a dozen characters. So the idea that one or any of them could be replaced by an LMD was simultaneously scary and engaging. It's a tired sentiment at this point, but for Secret Invasion to have worked, its cast needed to be three times the size at a minimum. And that cast needed to be made up of familiar faces.

marvelcomics222025-10-22 15:48

I'd say Secret Invasion had characters we cared about, they just didn't give us any more reasons to care about them.

fiascoist2025-10-22 15:52

And they wasted our investment in Maria Hill by fridging her in episode two.

EDIT: Oy my god, it was the FIRST episode. Dear lord, this show...

mrpanicy2025-10-22 16:21

I still refuse to believe she's dead. It was such terrible writing and done in such an off-hand way if it's true. Absolutely disrespectful to the character, absolutely disrespectful to the actor. Just insanely lazy. I have a lot of love for the Marvel TV shows, but Secret Invasion was just pure crap.

FoxMeadow72025-10-22 19:24

Don't worry, it's possible 'our' Maria Hill's still fine and dandy if we're to assume all of Secret Invasion to be a bad dream Fury was having (given that Multiverse of Madness established the idea of dreams being visions of one's multiversal selves).

willstr12025-10-22 19:26

Ironically it would be funny if that is when they reintroduce LMDs (even if they ignore AoS LMDs were name dropped in the first Avengers movie).

blackbutterfree2025-10-22 17:50

Don't forget killing Soren OFF SCREEN, one of the literal few Skrulls we knew and liked prior to this show.

asiantorontonian882025-10-22 15:59

What, you didn't care about G'iah flexing her Drax arm?

jojopojo642025-10-22 18:20

Somehow that moment was far more disturbing than Deadpool's naked baby legs, and is probably the absolute worst scene I can think of in MCU history.

And I love both the MCU and Emilia Clarke so that absolutely took me tf out.

taquitosmixtape2025-10-22 15:50

Even smaller role/cameos would have worked imo

fiascoist2025-10-22 15:50

I'm aware that budgets exist, so I don't think they even needed to bring in their expensive A-listers. Characters like Sharon Carter (behaving like a Skrull in TFATWS) and Monica Rambeau (working for Nick Fury at the time) were obvious and affordable shoe-ins.

FragMasterMat1172025-10-22 19:19

Both actresses were unavailable due to other commitments

fiascoist2025-10-22 20:30

If that's true, it's all the more reason why this push to put out more MCU content was such a failure. There was nothing that required them to produce a Secret Invasion miniseries at the moment they did, so there was no reason not to wait until they could get an appropriate cast together.

willstr12025-10-22 19:25

Bringing in supporting characters would probably actually be better, they usually don't have powers which would be one of the easiest ways for someone to prove they aren't a skrull. It also means that audiences know there is the chance the characters could get burned, obviously Marvel wouldn't kill off a major character in SI, but a supporting character they could actually be at risk.

The big thing is that they needed to be supporting characters that people liked and had grown on them, so the betrayal of them being skrulls (especially if they have been skrulls for a long time) hurts

Tragedy_Boner2025-10-22 15:52

It needed to be a phase with heroes being replaced slowly over the course of a few movies and then dealing with it in an Avengers movie.

ArchTheOrc2025-10-22 15:52

I would say "three times the size" might be a bit much, but basically agree.

They had Fury and Rhodes. They should have kept Hill and Ross across the series. Then add two or three more familiar faces and you're good.

fiascoist2025-10-22 15:56

I agree. I was saying "three times the size" based on the fact they really only had a cast of 2 returning characters, Fury and Rhodes. So three times the size is just 6 characters. So keep Hill and Ross and we only need 2 more people. I think Sharon Carter is the most obvious, since many of us were convinced she was a Skrull in TFATWS. Personally, I'd recommend Maria Rambeau, since WandaVision ended with her being recruited to work for Nick Fury by a Skrull. Excluding her seemed like failure to seize on an obvious set up.

ArchTheOrc2025-10-22 16:51

Yeah that cast would have been perfect.

CaptHayfever2025-10-22 18:35

It was also Talos's 3rd project.

ProXJay2025-10-22 15:56

To be fair doctor who I'd it with like 4 known characters, the Doctor, Clara, Osgood and Kate,

Yes the Zygons were already introduced but that's the same for the Scrull

mrbaryonyx2025-10-22 19:27

In a better world where Multiverse Saga was more like Infinity Saga, in that it had a couple Avengers movies instead of just the standard saga-ending-two-parter (not IW-size Avengers movies, but Avengers 1-size; four or five characters from different movies who are part of a team with its own eccentricities and character relationships); at least one of those would have been Secret Invasion.

The whole point is that the Skrulls are mimicking *superheroes*. You don't know if Black Panther is really Black Panther or if you can trust him.

Here2BeeFunny2025-10-22 15:39

AoS season 4 was fantastic. They somehow incorporated the Rider into the same story that had included inhumans, an LMD, the Hydra matrix, that LMD BECOMING inhuman and finally the return of the Rider and it was good.

Fitz was my favorite character on the show before this. The performance after good initial injury showed his acting chops, but Matrix Fitz took it to a different level and was down right scary.

And then his emotional state after? Exceptionally well done.

I’d love to see him brought back as the modern days answer to Howard Stark.

marvelcomics222025-10-22 15:46

Not to mention they were also staying pretty adjacent to other MCU projects with the magic stuff thematically connecting to Doctor Strange, and the Judas Bullets from Luke Cage also being featured. Fitzsimmons as the ocasional tech support cameos would be great.

cuckingfomputer2025-10-24 08:20

Iron Man 3's exploding henchmen were lifted from this show.

AnOnlineHandle2025-10-22 16:53

Also the portals and dark dimension from Dr Strange.

nazia9872025-10-22 15:41

Easily the greatest episode of the series. The show did a bunch of things better in this arc than Marvel Studios. The Secret Invasion storyline, the Darkhold and its corruption, the concept of dreamworking and exploring another world (through the Framework), an evil AI big bad (I like Ultron but Aida was a better villain).

The show took its time to find its footing in S1, but it showcased that network shows with 22 episodes and yearly releases do work.

marvelcomics222025-10-22 15:45

Chloe Bennet shares the same sentiment. AoS in general did a lot of things Marvel Studios has done recently, and they have done it better. Personally, I thought Season 1 was really good, and then when The Winter Soldier happened, it blew up the show and then the writers did an amazing job building it back up to heights it had never seen before.

nazia9872025-10-22 15:48

I completely agree. I wasn't a massive fan of S1 up until about halfway though, and once it tied into Winter Soldier, the trajectory of the series completely changed for the better.

ScuzzBuckster2025-10-22 20:59

I felt the first half was fine as like a regular ol primetime cable tv show. It was a bog standard villain-of-the-week affair. It had some messy cgi and basic-ass stories but I never thought it was bad. It was fine. Once it switched tho, its momentum was crazy. Every season improved over the previous.

LettuceC2025-10-22 15:45

All of Secret Invasion was a crime.

marvelcomics222025-10-22 15:49

Can't agree more. The only good thing was the music.

LeonardTringo2025-10-22 16:37

The fact that is was even released still boggles my mind. Multiple people in multiple tiers saw it and thought, "yeah, this is good to go." This project would have been better to be completely scrapped and picked up by anyone with any ability to tell a story or develop a character or... anything really.

jaemoon72025-10-22 18:15

It’s the only thing I genuinely think they should retcon, like release a statement and declare it not part of the MCU.

jaemoon72025-10-22 18:23

Off the top of my head…

Are we really to believe the earth, a planet of 7 billion people, couldn’t accommodate one million skrulls (who live where people can’t anyways) when new Asgard is literally a tourist destination?

Nick Fury- he is supposed to be this mastermind who’s always 4 steps ahead but in this series he looked like a total chump. Which would be fine if that’s they story the wanted to tell, like “never meet your heroes, Nick fury actually wasn’t some genius, his prowess came because he was utilizing a network of shapeshifting spies nobody knew existed. now he has to prove that he’s got something to offer when that asset is no longer available to him…” and they kind of did try to tell that story, with him being like “no avengers, this is my mess, I can’t bring in the avengers, you can’t rely on superheroes for everything.” But then he goes on to rely on a superhero in the next episode? And it’s not like he ended the series triumphantly… he made a bigger mess & then left… but it’s like they’re presenting what he did as like “what a hero Nick Fury is”.

He trusts G’iah with becoming one of the most powerful superbeings alive… but she only turned on Gravick when she learned he killed her mother… and she was still actively trying to start a nuclear war YESTERDAY.

Queue the montage of a string of broad daylight murders while Fury walks away like “my job here is done”

Idk it made Fury look blind and completely not self aware.

There was also multiple instances of people reacting to Maria Hill being killed, fury being blamed for it, but nothing comes of it? Fury wasn’t wanted for the murder, nor was it being used as a reason to declare skrulls as a threat…

echofades2025-10-22 15:47

Iain and Elizabeth’s acting was off the chart. That season will forever be my favourite comic book season ever. We got Ghost Rider, LMD and even magic packed in one season.

marvelcomics222025-10-22 15:50

They are some of the best actors the MCU has ever had. Hope we get them back as the occasional cameo for more peak.

UpgradedSiera66662025-10-23 00:05

So well said they rocked that, so much talents.

AnOnlineHandle2025-10-22 16:55

If I had a nickel for every time a Marvel show had a fake reality created, where the villain used the fake name Agnes, where a main character believes that they have their dead family back who they then have to let go of as they disappear, and that the darkhold was involved, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

jojopojo642025-10-22 18:21

....son of a bitch wait a minute--

JadrianInc2025-10-22 15:58

It should have been isolated like The Thing, with Fury playing Skrull Hunter. A small cast isolated trying to find the traitor, tense/cerebral.

dogboy6782025-10-22 15:59

Agents of Shield did so much better than the MCU, but no one is willing to have that conversation. . .

bee14ish2025-10-22 16:16

Maybe why Marvel Studios is so unwilling to acknowledge it. Maybe they're jealous lol.

SeekerVash2025-10-22 17:52

More or less. It was Perlmutter's, made while Feige was warring with him, and contradicts most of the claims about Perlmutter.

So Feige will never acknowledge it.

CaptHayfever2025-10-22 18:42

Jealous, maybe. But ignore the other guy saying "it was Perlmutter's", because it wasn't; Bob Iger was the driving force behind the show.

bullsplaytonight2025-10-22 19:18

Nothing since has hit the level of “appointment TV” this show was. My wife and I built our nights around this show and watched live as often as we could, and it’s contributions to new Marvel movie hype can not be overstated even as the disconnect between continuities became more obvious in the later seasons. There will never be anything like it ever again, thanks to streaming.

FPG_Matthew2025-10-22 16:11

I hope at least one person who hasn’t seen AoS is curious enough to click on this post, watch this clip, and be impressed enough with what they saw that they decide to give the show a chance.

Spacegirllll62025-10-23 00:05

If you do watch then you’re in for a ride. The show is insanely good and they have a plot twist early on in the show that is a mind fuck to watch. Alongside that, Season 4 in general is some of marvel’s best work.

dumpydent2025-10-22 16:17

Agents of SHIELD had its ups and downs, but every season, even early season 1 is vastly better than the abortion that was Secret Invasion.

Rhodey got done so fuckin dirty and we'll never get Armor Wars now.

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WriteEatGymRepeat2025-10-22 16:17

The model for Secret Invasion should have been Battlestar Galactica, conmplete with some people not even knowing they are Skrulls until a key moment.

Nukemarine2025-10-22 18:07

Captain Marvel should have set up Skrulls to have either deep cover (full copy with memories even the agent thinks is real that even dissection can't reveal) or mimic that's easy to reveal. Would have made "in our own skin" more impactful that a Skrull doing deep cover eventually loses themselves fully that returning back to Skrull doesn't restore the person. The human pods then are important for deep cover so they can switch back to be themselves then return to deep cover.

michael_ndeiya2025-10-22 16:21

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____mynameis____2025-10-22 16:24

No offence, but I don't think main MCU will ever be capable of pulling out good writing in shows like some these Netflix/ABC episodes had.

Like overall maybe, like Loki and Agatha but individual episodes? Acting moments? Nah.

xjuggernaughtx2025-10-22 16:30

The entirety of Secret Invasion was a crime. I'd love it if they just blatantly retconned it all as a dream or something stupid like that. It's exactly what it deserves. Nick Fury should just wake up in a cold sweat and say, "Wow, that was a TERRIBLE dream!" Then we can proceed without any of the dumb stuff that came out of that show.

DeGoatWatson2025-10-22 16:31

THE BEST scene in the entire series. Such great acting from both of them.

Yijocraft2025-10-22 16:35

Como extraño esa maldita serie

Professional-List7422025-10-22 16:37

I have said this before. That scene in the lab where one of them is an LMD is absolutely world class. I’d put that up there with any Marvel scene.

Thebat872025-10-22 16:42

I miss and adore this show. The last show my family and I watched together every week for every season.

The-Panther-King2025-10-22 17:03

AOS was sooo damn good. Such a great pivot with the season 1 finale. Too damn bad they didn’t continue with the long term connections to the films. The MCU just started turning out movie after movie and abandoned any real ties with the show.

dovedrunk2025-10-22 17:14

AOS is genuinely what the MCU wishes it could be with its TV shows, this scene is **insane**

I daresay that the reason the MCU hasn’t reused these characters is because they’d be *too good* for the stuff they make

blackbutterfree2025-10-22 17:49

Closest we got was Fury and Priscilla shooting at each other and both intentionally missing. And to be fair, that entire scene was top-tier. Absolutely wasted on that show.

Legonistrasz2025-10-22 18:03

This season start to finish was brilliant. It’s a shame Disney completely axed the agents.

LordDusty2025-10-22 18:10

I remember when Secret Invasion came out there was one comment comparing it to AoS that hit the nail on the head for why that plotline worked but SI didn't.

'Paranoia'

AoS nailed the feeling of paranoia and unease. You didn't know who or what to trust. Tension was built and you often felt as lost and confused as the characters trying to piece together the clues.

SI had none of that outside of the opening scene with Martin Freeman. At no point during the rest of the show are you ever made to worry or feel concern about who might or might not be a Skrull and as such the whole show ultimately felt really bland and disappointing. They really needed to go all out on the paranoia angle like AoS did, and that wouldve made for a far more interesting show.

Abraham_Issus2025-10-22 18:22

Agents of Shield at its best is easily better than anything marvel studios has made for D+. Feige can’t make anything on this and Legion level.

jcagraham2025-10-22 18:23

That entire season is my favorite season of television I have ever watched. The way the weaved three arcs within a single season was masterful.

gecko0902025-10-22 18:26

Captain America Winter Soldier was a better secret invasion.

trav-senpai2025-10-22 18:35

Secret Invasion is not a tv show that happened so idk how it would have a scene like this

Which_Caregiver90602025-10-22 18:48

It baffles me how AoS has always been the MCUs ugly duckling which even after the merger they continue to ignore it. It was honestly a great show despite its limitations at the time and there is no way in hell they can’t figure out a way to bring it into canon. I thought that it was something they might still have against Joss Whedon but he was only really involved with the pilot Jed was the one that ran things.

TheTrueFury2025-10-22 18:52

Now THIS is cinema

Mynock332025-10-22 19:24

Secret Invasion should have been an entire phase of the MCU, not a throwaway miniseries. They could've planted seeds in just post-credits scenes and then done a Captain Marvel sequel to set up a big 2-part Avengers-level event film.

FragMasterMat1172025-10-22 19:27

A big reason why this worked and Secret Invasion doesn’t is Agents of Shield is very self contained, whereas as Secret Invasion was supposed to have a big wide effect on the rest of the MCU. It’s awful writing in the wider context to say “This person was an evil shape shifting alien the entire time” without that being at least hinted at in other works. The reveal of Ross and Rhodey as Skrulls is frankly stupid for that reason. On top of that it’s probably killed both of them as characters.

OblivionArts2025-10-22 19:58

Lmd arc did the secret invasion arc way better than secret invasion

soloon2025-10-22 20:45

God this might be able to compete for the best scene in the whole series. SI could never.

taz200752025-10-22 20:46

Fine, I'll watch AoS again...

FrostyBoom2025-10-23 05:29

Iain had some insne acting moments. The scene of him confronting Wars after the reveal had me choked up because of the way he portrayed it.

ArjoGupto2025-10-23 10:35

The Clark Gregg Q&A made me realise the mistake I was about to make by not including AOS and AC in the MCU rewatch I'm doing with niece as she starts her journey, thankfully we are at Thor so, thank god for that.

marvelcomics222025-10-23 10:48

I hope you and your niece have a great time!

ArjoGupto2025-10-23 10:58

Thank you, she's 8 years now, 9 in a few months, and she's having a great time, I tried to start the MCU with Captain Marvel and Captain America before Iron Man, but she wants to watch the First Avenger again before avengers, mostly because of the whole release order vs timeline debate I mistakenly instilled in her :).

Hoping I get through AOS with her cause she struggled and got scared with Smallville, which I was showing her to help her get over disappointment and in some cases trauma of the new superman movie. Weirdly enough she loves to watch the extremely inappropriate Peacemaker, Vigilante, Emilia, Ads, Judomaster and Eagly (and thinks Earth X Auggie Smith is such a good man and father surviving in a Nazi world), even though I have tried my best to not let her watch it. :')