NWH Question for Future Spider-Man Villains

So, in the hypothetical case that Peter 1 (Tom Holland) meets a variant of Otto Octavius, Norman Osborn, Flint Marko, or Max Dillon, is it possible that Peter would be prepared in case they end up becoming villains? (Especially with Norman.) Do you think this would ruin the sense of mystery behind the character? (Like in the Spectacular Spider-Man series, where Peter struggled to figure out who was behind the Green Goblin.)

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Scumofdeeearth2025-10-22 03:24

Norman said oscorp doesn’t exist in the main mcu timeline we will likely never see goblin in the mcu again. Willem dafoe was tom hollands green goblin just like he was tobey’s. No reason to do goblin again.

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-22 04:16

Meh, in the same 616, Oscorp wasn't founded until some time later, and after the success of No Way Home, I don't see Marvel or Sony not bringing in a new Green Goblin without the limitations of Raimi's saga.

We're talking about the same people who are already considering bringing back Captain America and Iron Man in the not-too-distant future. Plus, with the success of Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and the fact that Norman was the most applauded character, it's very likely they'll bring him back.

Especially because of the detail that Raimi's Norman was very limited; without the Goblin, he was nothing, and Norman isn't like that in the comics. A tycoon making his way in New York with Peter, knowing he can turn into a monster but with nothing solid to prove it, makes for a very good story.

EfficaciousJoculator2025-10-22 10:14

When you say "the same 616" are you referring to the movies or the comics? Cause Oscorp was around at the beginning of the Spidey mythos in the comics 616 (implied to have existed for quite a while when Peter became Spider-Man) and there's no evidence that Oscorp will be founded some time later in the MCU (yet).

Also, I'm currently reading the original Amazing Spider-Man comics (I'm almost up to issue 70) and to be honest, Norman was equally limited there. As in, the Goblin is basically everything to his character so far. Hell, the Goblin preceded Norman's own introduction by several dozen issues. Once Norman's finally introduced, you see brief mentions of his being a tycoon, a few panels of him in a social club with Jameson, and a few backstory panels of his being a shit dad to Harry, but outside of that it's basically nothing but will-he/wont-he Goblin shenanigans. Basically every time he shows up, it's related in some way to his being the Goblin or having been the Goblin in the past.

But maybe that changes down the line. I know he "dies" later on similar to how he did in the Raimi movies, and things are a little more nuanced decades later when it turns out he merely absconded to Europe and ultimately returns to America. If you count that, then sure, he's more than just the Goblin. He's way more complex around the time of the New Avengers, Secret Invasion, Civil War, and the Dark Avengers.

Either way, I hope they do introduce a Norman to the MCU. I think you're right that Peter knowing he *could* become the Goblin (or maybe already is) would be a fantastic story. In fact, it's reminiscent of the early comics. Goblin gets electrocuted really bad early on and it temporarily fixes his mental state. There's a long stretch where Peter is constantly anxious as to whether the change is permanent or Norman is already secretly the Goblin again.

ChaplinWasRight2025-10-22 03:38

I bet he tries to see Ock as a sympathetic villain who he tries to fix, only for it to be revealed he's actually the douche criminal mastermind from the comics

EfficaciousJoculator2025-10-22 10:15

TBF, Ock was similarly sympathetic in the comics. He wasn't an asshole until the accident affected his mind, same as the movies. He even seems to improve with therapy.

They could pull that same vibe with Peter trying to fix him only to discover the problem is more nuanced than replacing a single microchip though, which would be funny.

Th35h4d0w2025-10-22 14:52

Kinda like Insomniac, then.

m_mason42025-10-22 03:46

No, there are multiple versions of Spider-Man villains. One crossover episode in the ultimate series had multiple green goblins in it. With stark and hammer industries both defunct, it makes sense for a new company like oscorp to rapidly fill their place. My guess is they’ll want to compete with Superman and create a Lex Luther like version of Norman or Harry.

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-22 03:56

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Even with your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, we're seeing this: a Norman who's more of a business mind than a guy on a glider.

That's something Raimi could never do because his Norman was written to be like Peter, when Norman isn't like Peter in the comics.

2MinuteSamurai2025-10-22 04:13

Is Stark defunct? Why wouldn’t Pepper still be running it

wotown2025-10-22 05:08

Yes but what OP is asking is if there is are MCU characters named Norman Osborn or Harry Osborn and a corporation called Oscorp, then MCU's Peter Parker immediately knows one of them will turn into a version of the Green Goblin. Same with Doc Oc, Sandman, Electro, Lizard, all classic Spider-Man villains that have tragic stories that MCU Spider-Man now knows all about. MCU Peter Parker has meta knowledge of his most famous villains and even friends (Gwen) he could have in the future, thus ruining those entire villain stories.

Why should anyone care about MCU Norman Osborn when Spider-Man has already stopped a Norman Osborn, knows how to stop Norman Osborn, knows everything about them from No Way Home. The MCU Norman could be as different as it wants, the Goblin could be completely different, but Spider-Man has already defeated a definitive comic version of Green Goblin a few years ago. There is no surprise, there is no classic story that can be told.

Mars_Knight882025-10-22 07:04

Exactly what i meant

m_mason42025-10-22 15:34

He has meta knowledge of two versions of a few villains that have multiple incarnations across the spider-man media. The doc ock in the games is trying to create biotic prosthetic limbs and the doc ock in one of the shows is trying to steal Peter’s dna to make himself a younger body. There are also at least 3 other people who’ve taken the doc ock mantle. The stories also don’t have to be tragic like Raimi’s were, some villains in spider-man media are just bad and in future installments Peter won’t have that stark cornucopia thing or 2 other Peters with their expertise to help him.

wotown2025-10-22 22:38

I'm sorry but it doesn't matter what the Doc Ock is doing, if they're a villain then Peter knows ahead of time and if he doesn't do anything about it with the meta knowledge he has then the writers will have to just straight up pretend NWH didn't happen. What makes all these villains tragic in the same way is that they are apart of Peter's life (best friends Dad, teacher, mentor) and he has to deal with the reveal after he trusts them that they are villains who want to kill him, that is core to every reincarnation and variant no matter how different their reasons are. NWH has destroyed that reveal for MCU Peter. Except for Electro and Sandman they are just villains lol

Zestyclose-Race-23352025-10-22 05:09

that makes sense, they could definitely use that dynamic to shake things up

Responsible_Bit_76182025-10-22 07:35

totally, a new take on norman could be interesting, especially with all the multiverse stuff going on

EfficaciousJoculator2025-10-22 10:05

Why would Stark be defunct? Hammer either, for that matter? They were both enormous companies presumably employing thousands of competent engineers. Hell, Pepper ran the thing in its heyday and she's still at the helm. Losing Tony may put a damper on things, but they should still be viable. Hammer would probably *improve*, if anything, once Justin was put behind bars.

m_mason42025-10-22 14:55

Stark backed out of weapons development for the military and hammer hasn’t really been mentioned since Luke Cage. Stark was also raided and is rapped up in lawsuits due to mysterio.

EfficaciousJoculator2025-10-23 02:16

Stark made the switch to clean energy and humanitarian technology.

Hammer not being mentioned doesn't really mean anything, seeing as millions of companies aren't mentioned. Roxxon hasn't been mentioned but we see in Loki they're thriving in the future.

Companies are investigated all the time. Stark Industries was raided for the drone tech. There were no lawsuits mentioned, only federal inquiries, but even if there were, a company worth billions could easily handle that.

Altruistic_Eye_11572025-10-22 03:54

I think that with Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man we can already get an idea of how Marvel Studios would handle these villains without being compromised by having met those from other franchises.

And the fact is that the villains of New World are ultimately variants; their stories shouldn't be a carbon copy across all universes. So, for example:

\- Otto would already be a villain, having taken the position vacated by the Vulture when he ended up in prison and then retired. In this context, it's of no use to Peter that "in another universe, this guy is bad because of his arms," because here he's already evil.

\- Norman would be more than anything a businessman who appears to be a good person but hides a hunger for power between the lines, but mainly acts as a businessman. So, Peter simply has no way to confront him since the Norman he knew was pathetic without the goblin, in addition to Harry's complement.

There are others where something more interesting could be done. For example, if Connors is like in Your Friendly Neighborhood and turns out to be a very good person, he could develop a bond with Peter. Now, let's imagine that Connors is mortally wounded and the only way to save his life is for Peter to inject him with the Lizard serum. Would Peter do it or not?

Others, like Electro or Sandman, I think could start out as villains without a problem. With Max, it's adapted that he's already Electro and works for the mafia as a hitman, and with Sandman, it could be adapted that he's with the Fantastic Four villains (when they join the MCU). There are ways to twist their stories because Peter only met variants.

Neither Raimi nor Web managed to cover 60 years of the character's stories.

AwarenessOk77482025-10-22 07:02

I don't see the point in introducing these characters into the MCU. As villains, they're no longer interesting. Spider-Man has a rich rogues' gallery to show off (Venom, Kraven, Mister Negative, Hobgoblin). A whole arc of Peter meeting local versions of villains (who are just regular people) and worrying about whether they'll become villains too—I think it's unnecessary and lacking.

Mars_Knight882025-10-22 07:09

I get excited to see these villains too, but the fact that this villains could return at some point is inevitable because they are way too iconic for spider man stories

Turbulent-Spirit-5682025-10-22 08:03

Maybe but we probably won't see them again in the MCU as Sony and Disney have a contract where Disney can't use Spiderman characters in live action if they've already used the character in their own live action projects.

Silvery_Power_62412025-10-23 06:26

One of my biggest issues with No Way Home is that all these villains appearing in that movie probably means that they won't get MCU versions, and I hate that. I really would've wanted an MCU Norman Osborn or Doc Oc, but after having Tom Holland's Spider-Man meet other versions of these characters, doing that now would just ruin the excitement

Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-10-23 11:43

I like that he would assume that say Norman becomes the Green Goblin but he’s different from Willem Dafoe and befriends him and helps him, making Peter assume he’s different in this universe only for him to become the Goblin.