The Marvels deserved more :(
I tuned out from a lot of phase 5, but still kept an eye out for any projects that got high praise and were worth checking out. The Marvels got completely lambasted online and I unfortunately believed the bullshit and didn’t check it out for myself.
After Marvel Zombies I found myself wanting to see something where poor Kamala isn’t suffering through hell, so I went back and finally saw The Marvels, and now I’m incredibly angry at myself for letting the internet hate and poor box office deter me from seeing it sooner.
This was such a creative comic book movie and so much fun to watch from start to finish. The villain wasn’t the best, but I don’t think that was nearly enough to drag down the unique set pieces, awesome music, and clever use of these characters. The Marvels is a great MCU entry and I’m really really sad it didn’t get more love 💔
After Marvel Zombies I found myself wanting to see something where poor Kamala isn’t suffering through hell, so I went back and finally saw The Marvels, and now I’m incredibly angry at myself for letting the internet hate and poor box office deter me from seeing it sooner.
This was such a creative comic book movie and so much fun to watch from start to finish. The villain wasn’t the best, but I don’t think that was nearly enough to drag down the unique set pieces, awesome music, and clever use of these characters. The Marvels is a great MCU entry and I’m really really sad it didn’t get more love 💔
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So great and so expertly-paced, my enjoyment was even more enhanced once I got it home and could rewind and freeze-frame to my hearts content.
It’s easily one of the better post end game marvel productions. It’s not like an all timer but it was still really solid
To be clear not everyone who hates it is a sexist but claiming sexism didn't play a role in how it was treated is, in 2025, naive as fuck.
Personally, my biggest issues with the movie were the complete absence of characterization for the villain, whose name I still don't know. And pretty much everything surrounding SWORD felt pointless.
They also massively depowered Carol to the point that she felt comically inept in most fights. We've seen her stop Thanos with just her physical might, and yet she gets into a punch-out with the main antagonist and still can't beat her 1v1.
The plot also meandered and spent so much time on random gags, like the Flerkin eating everyone on the SWORD station, or that song-and-dance Bollywood planet. They needed to spend more time actually developing the Kree conflict on Hala and how Carol was responsible for it.
She deserved better than easy laughs and plot holes.
Marvel screwed up so much when it came to Captain Marvel
* almost no one cares about the overarching Kree x Skrull storyline
* they made base-line Captain Marvel too powerful instead of toning her down. Which is why every movie she appears she's either restrained (a literal blocker or an entanglement gimmick) or she can't join the main storyline because she's busy on other planets
* terrible forgettable villains. Moonstone or Star would've been better villains although it's using the tired formula of the villain being the anti version. But at least Captain Marvel wouldn't need to be held back for some gimmicky reason
It would be appreciated if you could make a bit more effort than to insultingly label everyone who didn’t like it as a misogynist. Being led by women doesn't factor into the equation for judging whether a show is good or not for many people, don't so easily lump everyone who didn't like it together.
Mrs. Marvel TV show had great reviews.
I'd love to see them in a Deadpool movie.
Honestly, it is utterly *delusional* to think there wasnt a sizable population online blindly criticizing because it was 3 female leads, 2 of color. Just because *you* didnt care about that, does not mean it didnt and doesnt happen. It was *everywhere* when it came out, just dog whistle after dog whistle, i mean just look at the general state of the US right now!? We literally just had a rep with a nazi american flag on his board photographed just days ago. We have a *massive* nazi problem in the US, we have huge racism issues, we have huge issues with mysogyny. Like, I certainly didnt forget about all the snide "M-SHE-U" comments, did you?
Its absolutely *asinine* to ignore this problem and people that sit here and complain when other people call out abject racism and mysogyny are just contributing to the problem.
If this is true, then it's women who can't handle a women-led movie.
Up to 68% of the audience for this film was men.
Women didn't go see it.
Personally I don't think it being a woman-led film was a main factor.
Same with she Hulk and Miss marvel!
Not everything needs to be high art, fun is fun
For a movie that was far from perfect, that seems like way more love than it "deserves" (whatever that means in the context of a movie).
Given that, maybe we shouldn't be so surprised or dismissive of people that had "undeserved" levels of emotion in the other direction.
Personally I don't think She Hulk was "great", however it was enjoyable enough it didn't deserve the hate it got
It wasn’t THAT bad.
Full of life, great characters, great tone... It had a strong sense of itself and I was really excited to see more of THAT show.
Then the world needed to almost end so Kamala could save it.
Also we needed to explain the Partition of India because there wasn't already enough material to cram into 6 episodes.
They had a great show they buried alive under an unnecessary MCU formula.
Kind of did the same thing with Moon Knight: the conflict there should have just been Spector's personalities vs Spector's personalities vs Konshu.
Pure psychological thriller.
But nope, the world also needed to end, so there goes half the runtime of the 6 episodes.
We needs that CGI punch fest in episode 6!
We don’t need 20 half-baked episodes that look like a CW or Family Guy rerun. Give me 8 tight, cinematic episodes with real production value — the HBO miniseries approach, not some mid-tier, rushed-out mess.
In today’s market, less is more. VFX takes time — and that’s fine — if the writing holds up. That’s exactly where Marvel’s TV side has fumbled (Ironheart being a perfect example — absolute dogshite until that Mephisto tease).
Audiences shouldn’t have to lower expectations just because it’s a TV series. Prestige shows should look and feel on par with film. The gap between a blockbuster like Avengers and what we see on Disney+ or other “big budget” shows shouldn’t be this massive. If the story’s epic, the visuals should damn well match.
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Well, Kevin did say he was stretched thin from all the out put (the other) Bob wanted....I'm pretty sure he was having a horrible time keeping up with all that.
I agree that it was a great shwo besides that flaw...it was nice seeing the heros outside of their suits & other random whacky characters just...living lol. I still LOVE Mr immortal till this day 😅😅
They did the comics an injustice, this was a shit show. Plus, it devalued the growth Bruce had through the entire Phase 1 through 4 of the MCU frankly?
This was right after watching the spy series Slow Horses.
It's like watching The Dark Knight and then watching Batman & Robin.
Going from maybe the best spy TV show ever to one of the worst spy TV shows ever.
I fully believe if you deleted the Marvel IP from Secret Invasion no one here would have ever watched it.
Marvels is the first Marvel Studios film to actually lose money.
But I agree with OP that it didn't deserve that. It's a fun movie.
I do think the villain in the Marvel's could've been way more compelling. And I also think it felt more like a Kamala focus movie just because of the order they edited the scenes. Like... It showed Kamala first and even ended with Kamala instead of Carol first.
I enjoyed it a lot. It was still fun. Nothing deep. But it had some really great fight sequences, especially with them swapping places.
The internet was brutal because a lot of MCU fans were pretty toxic against Brie Larson. Plus, the "nobody asked for this" crowd is always annoying. Plenty of movies have been made and nobody asked for the adapt or the original script. That's nonsense to me. Like, if it doesn't interest you, then move on? It may Interest other people...so why not let them enjoy it.
Secret Shitvasion is definitely a contributing factor to why it flopped so much, because it completely bastardized Nick Fury and the Skrulls.
I just wonder how all those people manage to breath in there.
This would have been such a fun and acceptable Phase 2 MCU film, and the fans would have loved it.
Sadly it's fun to hate on the MCU now days, so, people just hated it before even giving it chance.
Fun film
Its sad, I really liked it too
Suck, the fans truly needs to experience Iman's Kamala Khan. She is so fuckin good in the role
The same reviewers on Rotten Tomatoes that gave positive reviews to Captain Marvel and female-led Wakanda Forever... Suddenly decided they hated feminsm, and then gave The Marvels a bad review.
Or...
They thought the movie wasn't that good, and rated it accordingly.
Occam's razor is your friend.
It’s just that the chemistry and relationships between its three leads are clearly the film’s main selling point, and in making that work, what Dar-Benn *represents* is arguably more important than who she is as an individual. I think she’s a serviceable antagonist, but I don’t blame anyone for wishing we got more.
A "random Kree"...who had a tool that absorbed Carol's attacks.
Plus I am still not clear who is moving into the Rambeau house at the end of the movie. I thought it was Kamala's family, which some recaps say. But some say it's Carol.
For The Marvels, you needed to see WandaVision, Ms. Marvel and the Captain Marvel film for this film the have the maximum impact. That’s 15 episodes or approximately 15 hours of content plus a feature length film. It’s almost like you have to do homework just to fully understand the film. Some plot points of those shows needed to be reiterated in the film.
Of course we had Guardians 3, D&W, and No Way Home. But those were expected to be hits.
To me the jump in enjoyment from Capt. Marvel to The Marvels, it was like how much of an improvement Thor Ragnarok was coming from/after Dark world.
My only caveat is that they could've used a more popular villain or at least some variation of Kang since that's what they were going for at the time. We also really need Ms. Marvel s2
I only see 2-3 movies in theaters a year. How would you suggest I decide which 2-3 movies to see without relying on input/opinions from other people that have already seen it?
Why do you *need* to listen to a bunch of anonymous commenters where you cant even verify if they are even a *real person*? No reviewer, no commenter, no other *person* can tell you what you will like.
This is such a ridiculous comment to me. How are you supposed to know what to watch? Idk man, maybe, just watch it and find out???
That fight scene where they kept swapping places was absolutely incredible though, the choreography was so, so good.
Still thought it was a fun movie for what it was. I’d like more Iman Vellani please, she’s very underutilized.
The only bland Phase 3 villain I can think of is Kaecilius, everyone else ranged from good (Yon-Rogg, Mysterio) to great (Vulture, Zemo, Endgame Thanos, Killmonger, and if she counts, Ghost), to REALLY GREAT (Hela, Ego, IW Thanos)
It's wild to me that the best Kree Villains are in AoS and Marvel Animation.
The film isn’t even as remotely bad as many people make it out to be. Yes, the villain is fairly boring but the journey the heroes take is lots of fun.
I also feel like the box office performance was wrongly blamed on “women haters”…majority of people who even saw the movie in the first place was actually men. I think it was a mixture of superhero fatigue, Ant-Man 3 bitterness, characters from Disney+, and just general indifference people have toward Captain Marvel herself. Out of all the characters and directions marvel fans are looking for, a captain marvel movie with Disney+ characters are not at the top of their list. Combine this with constant reshoots and lukewarm reviews, and it was just a dud.
However, I don’t think there is superhero fatigue. But there is arguably MCU/Avenger fatigue. Because Deadpool & Wolverine made over a billion dollars at the Box Office and the general audience likely viewed it more as a continuation of Fox’s X-Men franchise.
And even though people are optimistic with Superman (I’m definitely excited to see where this universe ends up) the landscape of audience interest is just different now. You can’t erase the fact that we just had Superman movies approx 10 years ago. And with Marvel you can’t erase that almost everything now requires “homework”, characters we don’t care about, and overblown budgets. But that’s just my opinion, would love to be proven wrong when the time comes.
Edit: I reread your comment, I definitely agree with you, sorry for the novel of a reply lol.
So in that way she sucked, but that was more the editors sucking.
Also, Kamala and her family were the highlight! She’s such a great addition to the MCU.
Other than that it was a very fun movie, but with a forgettable villain.
The thing is that people compare every movie to Endgame 😂 but you can't do that. If every movie is like Endgame, then the endgame itself will lose its excellence. Shang Chi faced the same thing. But actions like that were never seen in the MCU. I can only remember one fighting scene that was too intense, the scene between Bucky and Steve Rogers in Captain America The Winter Soldier in the road. That was some intense scene.
I have re-watched it a few times because it has the general Marvel movies flavor but does not overstay its welcome.
Plus, I dig Kamala's family. Pitch perfect casting.
1 introductory episode that brings the team together and addresses the plot at large.
3 episodes primarily focusing on each protagonist. But of course the story would advance each episode, it would just give the characters and relationships more development.
1 focusing on the villain. Because this villain has a good base motive. But was not given any type of development in the movie. A flashback episode that really hones in on how Carol’s actions was a detriment to the planet.
And then a finale episode.
I wish Marvel wrote their scripts before they made their movies.
Such a creative letdown on that aspect.
Not saying there’s not a couple of good scenes but over all 90% of the movie wasn’t special. The Beast cameo was the best part.
My point is, the key plot points of this movie are a blur. They had fun scenes, charismatic characters, the details are there but the main thread uniting them is forgettable. It is not a bad movie, the incels that hated on it were wrong, but it lacked a sense of purpose beyond uniting the 3 characters. I loved wandavision, I liked ms marvel and I remember everything about captain marvel, but the marvels lacked on a cohesive narrative. And I saw previosly all the mentioned shows/movie, I don’t even know how someone that skipped on those could have followed it.
Even if you don't believe me now, just pay attention whenever it happens in the future.
Shame that Marvel doesn't really stand by their products are probably going to just ignore it
I only have a few minor gripes with the film, but that’s mostly because of my personal preferences for these characters — not an actual flaw in the movie itself. Though honestly, I kinda wish it had been two hours long.
I really wanted to see more badassery from the characters. Many people complain that Captain Marvel is too powerful — I’m the opposite. I don’t think she’s powerful enough. As much as people like to deny it, she is the strongest Avenger. From her very introduction, she’s described as flying through stars and punching moons away from spacecraft! I want to see the strongest Avenger doing strongest Avenger things — especially in fights. But in every movie she’s in, she’s nerfed. She’s nerfed in her own movie, probably nerfed in Endgame (she was supposedly tired and fatigued according to the script), and she’s nerfed again in The Marvels. I just want to see her punch someone through a planet — is that crazy? Or fly through one! Her fight against Infinity Ultron perfectly demonstrates what I want to see from her in action.
I also wish we got to see a bit of Kamala Khan doing her thing as Ms. Marvel — maybe vigilanting in New Jersey. That would’ve been such a cool way to introduce her in the movie. I also wish her powers were used more creatively, similar to how they were handled in Marvel Zombies.
Honestly, I love that Kamala is the heart of the team — she’s the glue that holds everyone together. But if I were writing this, I’d turn that up to an 11.
Picture this: one of the reasons Kamala has hope — one of the reasons she stands up against overwhelming odds — is because of Carol. Carol inspired her. But I think it would be really powerful to show that in reverse — to have Kamala restore that hope in Carol. I keep picturing this scene in my head: Dar-Benn sends a moon crashing toward Tarnax. Carol’s powers are entangled or drained from her earlier fight with Dar-Benn. Normally, she’d handle this kind of situation easily, but now she’s exhausted. Monica doesn’t know what to do — she just got her powers and has never faced something like this. Both of them freeze. Then Kamala moves first. That single act reignites the spark in both of them, and through teamwork and trial and error, they manage to stop the moon from hitting the planet.
I also wanted more galactic scenes. That’s something I think is missing from the Captain Marvel movies. They should feel grand — epic space adventures. One of the flaws of the first movie, in my opinion, is that too much of it takes place on Earth. Earth can be the anchor point, sure, but the setting should really be space.
I would’ve loved a training montage of Carol teaching Monica and Kamala how to fight, how to better use their powers. Maybe Kamala even helps Carol get creative, and allows her to use constructs . And we can give Carol her photon sword from the comics, and photon chains!!
Finally… the villain. Yeah, she’s kind of a fraud, not gonna lie. If none of the heroes were nerfed, every single one of them — even Ms. Marvel (after marvel zombies)— could’ve beaten her easily. I really wish they had fully utilized her wormholes. Imagine if she casually used moons, meteors, or planets as weapons!
I even have this crazy scene in my head: the movie opens with a bruised, beaten Carol. Dar-Benn stands over her, a glowing Quantum Band on her wrist. The scene ends with Dar-Benn tossing Carol into a black hole — which she survives, because she’s Carol freakin’ Danvers.