Karen was confirmed long ago and the tv head guy or show runner has said foggy is but in a very unique way or something to the effect. We have to watch and see basically. The actor didn’t say anything tho cause he thought he couldn’t probably / didn’t know what he’s allowed to say. They were only absent because 70-80% of the show was already shot and the first team didn’t want to use them much so the replacement show runners couldn’t really reshoot much with the two of them more prominent due to budget and time restrictions. S2 they don’t have that problem and can do it all the way they want to.
DuckyHornet2025-10-18 11:50
>foggy is but in a very unique way
Hell yeah, Rise of the Foggymen! I can't wait to see Cyborg Foggy on screen at last
UserWithno-Name2025-10-18 19:46
I forget the exact quote but it was basically that in spirit, cause the coverage I saw people wondered or theorized all sorts of ways he would appear but it mostly wasn’t that he was alive save for the version where they follow the faking the death story with him from the comics etc. they don’t want to tell us how he’s back though so it’s just very vague and hence I just said “unique way” to cover it. Idk which if any theory is right/ I believe yet. So ya a very vague way to suggest it is best I got
VelocityGrrl392025-10-18 22:59
Can you link your source please?
UserWithno-Name2025-10-18 23:20
Bro or mam go look at the NYCC panel or coverage. It’s not my job to do the work for you. You can watch the coverage or read the articles same as I did and idk which specific one had it but pretty sure if you watch his panels/ interviews you can find where he said it. All I remember is watching emergency awesomes videos about various nycc stuff that had a lot of marvel, but no I’m not going to do the labor for you I have a life and my own crap to handle
VelocityGrrl392025-10-19 01:03
When you give very specific examples like that, yes, it is your job to cite your sources.
UserWithno-Name2025-10-19 01:25
No it isn’t and it’s literally what he said. That’s on you. This isn’t some science report, it’s pop culture and no it isn’t my burden to do. Bye
TheJoshider102025-10-18 12:30
I'm gonna guess Foggy will be shown in flashbacks/hallucinations but at the end of the season it'll be revealed he's actually alive and S3 will be about finding him.
Monster-Hunter-952025-10-18 12:53
Sign me the fuck up😭
Crimkam2025-10-18 13:13
Matt making a deal with Memphisto for Foggy’s life would be fun. Not just because he’s his best friend, but maybe he realizes Foggy knows something that can bring Kingpin down.
distilledwill2025-10-18 13:25
That storyline inevitably has to end with Foggy being dead again though, really. Thats the arc in those kinds of stories mostly - protag wants x person back from the dead, can't handle them not being around, makes a deal to bring them back, it doesn't turn out how they expect, resolved when they come to terms with the persons demise and x person returns to being dead..
marexXLrg2025-10-18 16:45
One More Day is all people are asking for.
fistkick182025-10-18 17:00
The first half of that is just Ironheart, so they probably won't do that again immediately
Crimkam2025-10-18 17:13
Karen might make the deal instead and end up dead for a season as a result
ThatTrampolineboy2025-10-19 08:44
Who knows, it might hit the second time without the other Defenders
Gorguf622025-10-18 14:30
As much as Matt has struggled with his faith, I don't think he'd make a literal deal with the devil.
Litboy69420yoloswag2025-10-18 16:33
Actually I think that would make for an incredibly interesting story
Crimkam2025-10-18 17:14
Maybe, maybe not. Karen probably would though if Mephisto couldn’t tempt Matt
StucklnAWell2025-10-18 18:25
Just call him devildaredevil
General_Cherry_31072025-10-18 21:00
dealdevil
ChampionsWrath2025-10-18 22:32
It’s Howie Mandell has bullseye
igby12025-10-19 10:15
Does everyone that makes a deal with Mephisto know he’s the Devil? 😈
_c_e_m_2025-10-18 14:57
Matt is catholic
Crimkam2025-10-18 17:13
That’s what makes it such a humorous situation
i_cee_u2025-10-18 17:24
But he's MY butler!
ImDero2025-10-18 17:10
>maybe he realizes Foggy knows something that can bring Kingpin down.
Imagine being brought back from the dead through the darkest of magic, observing the vastness of infinity, perhaps gazing upon our creator, having walked through the great beyond only to be yoinked back into your fragile human body, and your best friend stands over your slowly awakening soul and goes "Hey good to see you do you think Fisk is bad?"
Crimkam2025-10-18 17:19
Reminds me of how season 5 of Buffy starts
yarvem2025-10-18 20:00
Only semi-related, but it would be a funny nod of Earth-9997 Mephisto pretending to be Daredevil.
Dumdumdoggie2025-10-18 14:53
I feel like you described the show Arrow.
robodrew2025-10-18 16:29
There is literally a run in the comics where Foggy fakes his own death called *The Secret Life of Foggy Nelson*
askingtherealstuff2025-10-18 11:26
Wild that they’d take some perfect cast chemistry, characters who have been through hell together and FINALLY come out the other side stronger as a group, and just casually ruin that for no reason.
aIexpoutine2025-10-18 11:50
The decision was made in a boardroom and not in a writer's room. That's where every shitty decision is made.
gutster_952025-10-18 13:30
Execs egos that think their own ideas are so much better than established ideas from anyone else. They want to make everything their own.
RajahSoliman2025-10-18 12:09
You know what pisses me off even more? It's one thing to recast or try to do your own thing away from the Netflix show, but the fact that they thought writing complete garbage was going to be acceptable??
EDIT: regarding the downvotes, I misspoke, I enjoyed Born Again. I meant the original plans before the overhaul.
Galiphile2025-10-18 15:11
Born Again is hardly complete garbage, but there were some pretty bad/unnecessary changes, notably breaking up the trio immediately, even if the scene itself was awesome (in a vacuum).
RajahSoliman2025-10-18 16:57
I misspoke. I meant the original plans for it. I enjoyed the Born Again we got.
Galiphile2025-10-18 16:58
Oh, yeah, that was bad.
Kidney052025-10-18 13:22
Couldn’t agree more. They bring the show back and then fuck with it fundamentally and I can tell you it was not better from that even remotely. Matt’s new GF and law firm were not better, and even if they wanted to keep that new gf she didn’t need to be mutually exclusive from Karen.
Thomas_JCG2025-10-18 11:30
One of my main complaints is exactly this. Matt, Foggy and Karen were perfect friends, and they threw it away and replaced with new characters that don't have the same chemistry.
THEbaddestOFtheASSES2025-10-18 13:56
Tbf they were never even given the chance because they don’t get a fraction of the same amount of story time that was put into the Matt/Foggy/Karen relationship.
Thomas_JCG2025-10-18 15:28
Precisely, they wanted to replace three seasons of *Daredevil* (plus other shows) immediately and it just didn't work. Like, that new lawyer partner. We are supposed to believe she and Matt are such good friends that she can set up dates for him but we never seen her face before. It just didn't work.
TowelFine69332025-10-18 15:39
Well, to be fair, neither has Matt.... 🤷♂️
SensiblySenile16182025-10-18 15:42
Eyyyyy
AdditionalMess65462025-10-19 07:02
Like that awful Raffi character from Picard
robodrew2025-10-18 16:30
This doesn't really hold up to me, Matt Foggy and Karen's relationship felt more real from the very start
Lord_Phoenix952025-10-19 01:31
Given the fact they had already wrote the script without Foggy and Karen in it but then later added them due to demand only to just >! Kill Foggy and stress Karen and Matt's relationship !< should tell you that they never intended them to be apart of the series to begin with. Hell even Punishers role in it was just added last minute. Born Again is a good series but without those last minute additions I think it wouldn't have even been that because there's just nothing connecting each episode together.
TomCreo882025-10-18 15:14
Casting requirements have changed since the original show premiered. Now you will never find a new show where it’s three main characters are white.
jonpaladin2025-10-18 16:21
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TomCreo882025-10-18 17:58
Why is that? Am I wrong?
arfelo12025-10-18 18:50
Yes
jonpaladin2025-10-18 19:29
we are at a point in society where I think readers would infer from your comment a rather distasteful and unrealistic argument that in the last ten years, powerful interests have violently taken over culture and ordered the entertainment industry to unfairly eradicate whiteness.
essentially a fascist talking point
c0n2oo32025-10-18 18:10
Loki
StonerModeRivals2025-10-18 18:42
You are right, people just don't wanna accept it
RepresentativeName182025-10-19 05:19
>Matt, Foggy and Karen were perfect friends
It's not only that.. it's that it was the heart of the Netflix show. Imagine being the reason for Netflix's Daredevil show cancellation, bringing it back almost 7 years later, only to kill one of the main characters not even 10 minutes into the first episode...
Basically pulling a "Ralph Bohner" all over again. It's not smart. It just pisses your fanbase just for the sake of it
marvelcomics222025-10-18 11:37
Foggy's alive... I hope
kylievision2025-10-18 11:44
Same
Nopaltsin2025-10-18 12:10
He can get resuscitated by Mephisto in exchange for a bagel
GMYSTERY_ICTNF2025-10-18 12:36
I wouldn't mess with a bagel in Marvel, never goes well
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-18 12:26
nazia9872025-10-18 12:37
Foggys death was so silly. Just an excuse to set up an arc we've already seen in the Netflix series
NeoPrimitiveOasis2025-10-18 12:42
Bring back my girl Elektra. Elodie Yung.
Al_Gebra_12025-10-18 12:55
Rumor is she'll be in season 3.
THEbaddestOFtheASSES2025-10-18 13:58
Foggy’s dead. Do people want death to mean something in the MCU or not? We can’t have both. I wish his death was done better but it served a purpose. Gotta move on. Karen is returning. Be happy with that and move forward.
VelocityGrrl392025-10-18 23:01
Foggy has been confirmed to appear next season.
THEbaddestOFtheASSES2025-10-18 23:01
Flashbacks?
marky3102025-10-19 05:53
i dunno, let me get in my time machine real quick
TheNeech2025-10-18 14:14
Avocados at Law
_c_e_m_2025-10-18 14:55
We need Danny Rand back
Upset_Researcher_1432025-10-18 16:04
I think you're going to see Matt break in Season 2 after he loses Karen. Just guessing, no idea what the real plot is
Herpmancer2025-10-18 16:41
I still think Foggy could be in some kind of special Witness Protection Program, but Matt would be pretty hurt that Foggy didn't tell him. Even if it's to nail Kingpin
marky3102025-10-19 05:52
tbf, Matt owes him one for pretending to be dead for a while after Defenders
MathewMurdock22025-10-18 17:27
It’s Always Sunny in Hells Kitchen
BravoLeader30002025-10-18 17:31
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Hell's Kitchen
dudes1432025-10-18 17:43
Foggys dead in current mcu timeline and doesn't have any powers so, good luck
VelocityGrrl392025-10-18 23:01
Elden Henson will be in season 2.
Smoking-Posing2025-10-18 19:24
Foggy dead
DigificWriter2025-10-18 20:23
They've already brought them back, so I don't know what else you want.
Yes, Foggy's dead in 2027, but Eldon is still going to be in Born Again Season 2.
avoozl422025-10-19 06:14
I got sour news for you, Jack!
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Hell yeah, Rise of the Foggymen! I can't wait to see Cyborg Foggy on screen at last
Imagine being brought back from the dead through the darkest of magic, observing the vastness of infinity, perhaps gazing upon our creator, having walked through the great beyond only to be yoinked back into your fragile human body, and your best friend stands over your slowly awakening soul and goes "Hey good to see you do you think Fisk is bad?"
EDIT: regarding the downvotes, I misspoke, I enjoyed Born Again. I meant the original plans before the overhaul.
essentially a fascist talking point
It's not only that.. it's that it was the heart of the Netflix show. Imagine being the reason for Netflix's Daredevil show cancellation, bringing it back almost 7 years later, only to kill one of the main characters not even 10 minutes into the first episode...
Basically pulling a "Ralph Bohner" all over again. It's not smart. It just pisses your fanbase just for the sake of it
Yes, Foggy's dead in 2027, but Eldon is still going to be in Born Again Season 2.
If you're asking an open-ended question, try to add your own personal answer and the reasoning.