Might be a hot take, Brave New World's Captain America flight scenes were better than The Winter Soldier's Falcon flight scenes
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Kyloren19232025-10-18 06:42
A side characters moments were less interesting that the title characters moment with the same wings? Not really a hot take. It’s like saying Shuri’s fights were better in Wakanda forever compared to Black panther.
marvelcomics222025-10-18 06:57
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CareerMilk2025-10-18 09:46
Is that surprising though? When your main character can fly, the director is going to spend more time getting the flying scenes right
marvelcomics222025-10-18 10:08
The flight was shot better in BNW, it's not about the character, it's about the filmmaking choices.
AakashTP70892025-10-18 15:12
He wasn't a side character in Falcon and the Winter Soldier bro just have a look at the title
wordwords2025-10-18 15:17
Ironic lol "bro just have a look at the title"
The title references Captain America The Winter Soldier, not Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Marconius16172025-10-18 16:04
Lol no way
Thundergod2502025-10-18 20:01
It says "Winter Soldier's Falcon" not "Falcon and Winter Soldier" lmao
ajsayshello-2025-10-18 23:52
r/confidentlyincorrect
brown-tube2025-10-18 06:43
you're definitely wrong. but why do you think so?
Busy-Cream2025-10-18 06:47
No.
InevitableWeight3142025-10-18 06:49
I agree. Sam skating on that missile made the whole movie worthwhile for me lmao. It’s not really a fair comparison though. Winter Soldier had like 30 seconds of Falcon flying and he was a pretty minor characrer in BNW hes the main character and hence every action sequence incorporates his wings in some way.
wideomannn2025-10-18 07:50
OMG
No_Reference_73302025-10-18 06:49
This movie had many of my favorite MCU scenes in general art and cinematography wise
capnjeanlucpicard2025-10-18 06:54
I lost interest by the time that scene came up
drntl2025-10-18 06:55
Was definitely the only decent part of the movie. The character’s whole thing is that he flies. Why wouldn’t they do more of this?
TestingBrokenGadgets2025-10-18 09:18
Because they basically made him just Cap that can occasionally fly. Every scene mostly felt like they wrote it for Rogers and then did a find a replace Rogers with Wilson cuz suddenly Sam can bounce back from broken ribs, catch up to Isaiah at full speed, and take down multiple fights against elite soldiers while he's unarmed.
JDeegs2025-10-18 18:39
They make such a point about him not taking the serum, then just make him able to do anything a supersoldier can do anyways
TestingBrokenGadgets2025-10-18 19:11
Yup. They try to "He's wearing vibranium armor-" to explain it but even during the junkyard, they make a point of saying "you don't have your gear-" meanwhile he gets stabbed in the shoulder and side but barely react or slow down.
Naked_Snake_22025-10-21 17:39
ummm hes wearing Kevlar in those scenes, it is said in the movie , plus cmon Sam was basically fighting an old guy , when he decided to fight skilled guy , in the start he was having hard time fighting him and was getting his ass whooped
TestingBrokenGadgets2025-10-21 17:48
You mean where he broke multiple ribs at the start and was magically healed immediately after that scene? Or when he was stabbed, multiple times by an old guy and it didn't slow him down one bit during the entire fight or rest of the movie?
Meanwhile Clint is shown slightly limping or nursing a wound; Natasha is seen doing the same thing. They basically wrote Sam to have a Captain America-like healing factor.
Naked_Snake_22025-10-21 18:13
dude lets not forget Natasha and Clint for a good amount of time dealt with Aliens and androids ,and werent doing the limping thing , its your usual action movie thing , bring in injuries when needed and take out when not needed, plus the super serum thing was philosophical thing , on how Sam talks his villian down and take other route , cause he doesnt have super serum , on how if it wasnt for the Sam talking , he wouldnt know where to take Red Hulk in order to calm him down...
there is a difference between the"hollywood movie action hero thing" and "making Sam basically have the serum like thing , hence making the serum plot invalid "
TestingBrokenGadgets2025-10-21 19:22
"Writer writes in shitting explanation for what boring character does a thing" isn't the defense you think it is but hey, nice try.
Naked_Snake_22025-10-21 19:25
not my fault the whole thing went above your head , buthey nice try, while we are at it , lets go back to the first movie of this universe , Tony Stark in that suit , why isnt that guy taking those hit , he should be breaking those bones , why is it that his iron man armour absorbing the hits , like a puch from iron monger , he should be feeling it through the armour
TheFightingImp2025-10-18 10:38
Gave me vibes of an average Ace Combat mission, which I wholeheartedly approved of. Too bad the rest of the movie is so...mid.
Live_Answer_38752025-10-18 06:57
Sam riding on a missile was plain stupid and looked so fake.
siestarrific2025-10-18 06:58
I thought the post said 'fight scenes' in general, and I was about to throw hands
YESRedbone2025-10-18 13:27
Same
MonoPodding2025-10-19 16:57
Yeah to be honest the title isn't 100% clear about a couple things. For one, I thought they were talking about F&TWS, which I guess I'm wrong about. And I also thought they wrote "fight", which is on me but ideally they would've write "flying" to avoid confusion but that's nit-picking I suppose
Regenitor_2025-10-18 07:00
Not really a hot take, the action scenes were really the only thing that BNW got right.
KillianJonesRS2025-10-18 17:55
Nice Max cape!
Regenitor_2025-10-18 21:52
Nice username! Gl on the grinds
bargman2025-10-18 07:01
Scenes? No. But the air battle was very good.
El_Quetzal2025-10-18 07:14
I say it has the best fight scenes in a superhero movie this year
AValorantFan2025-10-18 07:14
I agree and I used to rewatch the winter soldier falcon dogfight scene on repeat in 2014-2015, I loved what they did with it
edit: seeing the pavlovian dog response to saying anything in brave new world is better than anything in the winter soldier is hitting this reply section hard
Spicy_Weissy2025-10-18 07:15
That is a hot take.
Any-Transition952025-10-18 07:27
That was the best sequence in the movie. The rest of the movie was trying its hardest to do the bare minimum with everything it set up, the overall story and the visuals just felt very uninteresting as a result.
Interesting_Buddy_182025-10-18 08:04
That and the red hulk fight
ZeusesWill2025-10-18 07:29
Ok?
steak4take2025-10-18 07:30
Shit take - BNW has literally one single good action scene and that’s front loaded, the rest are mid CG and undercooked green screen ass.
Solid-Move-14112025-10-18 07:36
I think this was only good thing.
I like this fight scene way more than Red Hulk fight
kingthvnder2025-10-18 07:45
I think my problem was that after watching Sam actually look and feel COOL as Cap, I lamented that it wasn’t more of it. I wanted more of Isaiah and Ramirez and etc, it all felt so rushed and too little too late. I think Marvel has completely bungled Sam’s mantle change and BNW had flashes of what his arc could’ve been with more care.
Also when you see the concept art of Serpent Society they really scrapped some interesting cool looking villains for whatever Hulk ended up being.
aestus2025-10-18 07:47
It's not a hot take. It's not even a take.
_dontjimthecamera2025-10-18 08:17
Brave New World had some fantastic action sequences imo
Omnislash999992025-10-18 08:18
Ok? The main character's powers were shown off more than a side character isn't much of a revelation
Earthwick2025-10-18 08:49
I don't feel like this is a hot take the flight fight scene near the celestial is amazing and even people who don't like BNW generally agree that scene is cool. Also falcon is in this one and Sam is now a flying cap. It's definitely better flight scene. That said while I do think brave new world is better than it gets credit for Winter soldier is either a top 5 or near a top 5 superhero flick.
Opposite_Yard65982025-10-18 08:50
ok and...
SquirrelPristine65672025-10-18 08:51
Lol I mean ID HOPE SO
AAC08132025-10-18 08:57
I could not give you one single line of dialogue from this movie. Not one word
TestingBrokenGadgets2025-10-18 09:18
I can honestly say that I remember absolutely nothing about this because at this point in the movie, I was just off in my head analyzing what went wrong.
Ok-disaster20222025-10-18 09:28
Because when he flies with a helmet I'm not yelling at the screen about flying without a helmet.
xyzsomething2025-10-18 09:32
That’s definitely a hot cause they’re wrong, just talking about the fights scenes not the movies, Brave New World is just a CGI fest, might as well be a cartoon, I mean nothing wrong with it but the fight scenes in Winter Soldier were practical choreographies, 10 times better
You can like Brave New World and that’s fine but don’t say that is better than Winter Soldier
The_Orgin2025-10-18 09:42
Might be a hot take, the sky is blue.
Vegetable-Touch1952025-10-18 09:50
HOW IS THAT A HOT TAKE THERE'S ONE SCENE OF FALCON IN FLIGHT AT THE END OF WINTER SOLDIER, IT LASTS 20 SECONDS ARHFDHGQERGSSTRHDBDRYFHBDTYHFGGG
TheChewyWaffles2025-10-18 09:56
I don’t know because I was asleep by then
Hattorhanzo872025-10-18 10:53
Any chance we can stop using the phrase hot take?
cowpool202025-10-18 11:05
No shit
DEADHOTTUB2025-10-18 11:21
I saw this movie in theater and thought “meh” but then I watched it at home and thought “this is actually pretty good!”. It’s happened a few times for me with Marvel movies.
shytaan82025-10-18 11:58
I don’t know why but I really enjoyed Captain America like any other Captain America film.
j1h152332025-10-18 12:05
I mean he’s the main character here and was like the second side character before. I would hope it’s better
Defiant_Wheel48882025-10-18 12:16
You see skaar hulk son in Series but in movies he will have better look. you see vision in age of ultron but he was little better in wandavision show. you see tony in civil war he was better in the ironman films and infinity war endgame.
iGuardian912025-10-18 13:29
Wait til you see his hand to hand combat with one of the dude, it’s so sloppy.
CaleBoi252025-10-18 14:20
This movie had issues, but what it did well it did very well! Proof?
* Red Hulk just looked cool. I know, when you watch Marvel your brain accepts whatever is happening, but he was so perfectly photorealistic that I believed it wholly.
* The fight scenes were really cool, especially with the brainwashed soldiers.
* The flight choreography was good too! Definitely a lot of missed opportunities with it (if I am writing a flying battle near a giant monster in the ocean, you'd better believe I'm having the characters fly inside it or between the fingers or something!) but still good!
bondinferno2025-10-18 14:52
What are you fucking high?
ICPosse82025-10-18 14:55
Maybe that’s because he was the star of the movie?
Sparkwriter12025-10-18 15:01
FATWS fight scenes were infinitely better imo. The whole show was just a lot better than the movie imo.
spate422025-10-18 15:04
Nope. Absolutely not.
N8CCRG2025-10-18 15:10
The action in BNW was excellent. The dog fight was amazing, and then the rampage across DC is one of the best action finales in the MCU.
PirateBeany2025-10-18 15:29
I'll be contrary and say that the dogfight scene over water was too long and uninteresting. Perhaps I just like my action to be (literally) grounded, or perhaps it felt low-stakes? I dunno.
RevD19782025-10-18 16:01
It’s almost like they had a bigger budget and needed big action sequences for a tentpole movie as opposed to what should be smaller budget dialogue heavy weekly episodic shows.
elephantshuze2025-10-18 16:21
Stop it
Comfortable_Breads2025-10-18 16:22
Every falcon sky combat scene in the MCU has been good so it’s just splitting hairs. Even the show had great scenes in the premiere
lanze6662025-10-18 16:49
Not a hot take. Sam has had a massive upgrade since Winter Soldier, especially with having a vibranium suit with retractable helmet and shield and wings. He’s able to do way more than just flying around with uzi’s and kevlar. More combat abilities = more bombastic and epic action scenes
vroart2025-10-18 16:58
Hmmmmm no, while I like brave new world. I do think the whole flight effect lost its magic. In winter soldier it was on par with Ironman. It was practical, it made sense, it ran on momentum and weight.
This is the prime example of people saying “the cg is too floaty.” Issue people cry over.
gavinashun2025-10-18 16:59
Not if you care about drama, stakes, characterization, or tension. If you care more about boom boom and pew pew then maybe.
Cuban_Cowboy2025-10-18 17:01
WOOAH Dudeee such a hot spicy take man! How long were you cooking this ground-breaking take for broski? Did you think about it reaally deeply? Wooow man such a good use of brain power. HOT take bro WOW
CaptHayfever2025-10-18 17:30
The action scenes were NOT the problem with that movie.
Rocketboy13132025-10-18 17:30
I didn't care for that scene because it is Superman or Iron Man type action. I don't want Captain America to be able to fight missiles.
Repulsive-Machine-252025-10-18 17:40
No, that's not a hot-take, it's just completely wrong.
Buhos_En_Pantelones2025-10-18 17:55
I fell asleep during that action scene...
burywmore2025-10-18 18:32
One of the major issues with Brave New World, is the writers see it's a Captain America film, and they just make Sam into another Captain America. It should be Sam using the skills and maneuvering ability of being Falcon over the hand to hand, use of the shield as a weapon. Most of the stuff Steve does is Super Soldier Serum related. Most of the stuff Sam does should be flight related. Sam in the more recent comics, but especially in the Avengers Assemble cartoon is very tech savvy and uses weapons and technology much more than Steve.
Meh... Too late now. Sam is a critically damaged character.
Pleasant_Election1482025-10-18 18:51
There is 10 years difference between them. Considering the development on techniques and technologies, they certainly should be better than old film.
Vaportrail2025-10-18 19:08
Hmm. This claim almost warrants a second viewing.
skronk612025-10-18 19:10
I think they’re both super well-choreographed action scenes. Every time Sam’s on screen you know the action is gonna get crazy.
Grayx_28872025-10-18 20:24
You do realize that "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" was technically Sam Wilson's debut into the MCU. I mean, it's not like he was going to have this incredibly super-duper ultra mega awesome fight scene like he's freaking Cody Rhodes taking on Seth Rollins at Wrestlemania 38. So, of course, Wilson was gonna have a better fight scene near the Indian Ocean than he did in his initial fight scenes during the Winter Soldier. They just had to focus on Sam Wilson being a character first, then him as an action star in later movies.
santa99912025-10-18 20:44
I mean the main character with a high tech new flight suit that essentially makes him a fighter jet, or a newly introduced side character who has metal wings with a rocket on them
Yeah I’d say that should be the case
boinkmagoink2025-10-18 21:29
Ok
Bleebledorp2025-10-18 21:35
I don't think anyone dislikes Brave New World because of its fight scenes.
MagicPistol2025-10-19 02:53
No one watched Winter Soldier for the Falcon flight scenes.
MacrossX2025-10-19 03:35
Too bad the way the wings folded up into nothing in Brave New World looks like it came out of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
happy_oblivion2025-10-19 03:45
Not a hot take at all. Was the best part of the flick. The camerawork was fantastic. The sense of scale was genius. It’s all shot from the human perspective. It made the celestial seem ginormous. The sense of speed ruled. It was thee set piece of the movie. We all knew he’d beat red hulk by default.
BambooSound2025-10-19 06:12
I agree but I really hate the Winter Soldier's editing style. Even its BTS videos are better than the movie.
marvelcomics222025-10-19 07:40
I kind of agree. It might be because the camera moves around the characters instead of with the characters, and the fights that aren't hand-to-hand combat, and even those, are pretty jumpy.
BambooSound2025-10-19 10:50
Yeah they said they were trying to emulate the Bourne movies and I never liked those either.
I'd rather watch an action sequence with zero cuts than 500.
Responsible-Bonus2782025-10-20 02:56
There needs to be a good mix. The whole no cut thing can also be overplayed. See Mad max fury road..Tons of cuts but it's one of the best action movies ever made. IMO the quick cuts in Winter soldier work because it matches the frenetic pace and tone of the movie.
BambooSound2025-10-20 04:09
I think Fury Road's an exception and clarity is nearly always better.
I don't think that WS worked at all. I really don't get why people love it so much because the politics was surface-level and you could see every twist and fake out coming a mile away.
Loved Civil War though. My favourite after Infinity War.
Responsible-Bonus2782025-10-20 07:35
Personally I liked WS because of the pace and the action. It just felt like such a tight well edited movie. In my case I don't really go into summer blockbusters expecting anything more than surface level touches on the themes they are hitting so that doesn't bother me. It felt like a high energy 80s political thriller with Cap in it. Idk, something about the pace, the music everything worked for me. Very rewatchable.
I love Civil War too. Honestly I love all the Russo brothers MCU stuff
tarunbdj832025-10-19 06:49
I totally agree. How he was dealing with missiles were amazing shots.
Captain America fighting in air while dealing with new threats is something which can create lots of excitement among fans.
marvelcomics222025-10-19 07:39
The cinematography was amazing.
PleaseRecharge2025-10-19 09:23
I think it's crazy that they made a movie without the main character in it at all
marvelcomics222025-10-19 09:36
Sam Wilson is Captain America.
PleaseRecharge2025-10-19 09:37
Yeah, but this is a Hulk movie.
marvelcomics222025-10-19 09:39
It's not a Hulk movie, it's a Captain America movie. Saying it's a Hulk movie is like saying that The Avengers is an Iron Man movie
PleaseRecharge2025-10-19 09:40
Two main Hulk Villains and a Hulk plot with Captain America shoehorned in as the protag because Disney doesn't have the rights to make a Hulk movie
YodasChick-O-Stick2025-10-20 00:33
The Tiamut sequence easily should've been the climax. The Red Hulk fight feels tacked-on as an epilogue.
Medium-Sir30522025-10-21 19:09
Might be a hot take, but the whole movie should have been thrown into the dumpster.
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The title references Captain America The Winter Soldier, not Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Meanwhile Clint is shown slightly limping or nursing a wound; Natasha is seen doing the same thing. They basically wrote Sam to have a Captain America-like healing factor.
there is a difference between the"hollywood movie action hero thing" and "making Sam basically have the serum like thing , hence making the serum plot invalid "
edit: seeing the pavlovian dog response to saying anything in brave new world is better than anything in the winter soldier is hitting this reply section hard
I like this fight scene way more than Red Hulk fight
Also when you see the concept art of Serpent Society they really scrapped some interesting cool looking villains for whatever Hulk ended up being.
You can like Brave New World and that’s fine but don’t say that is better than Winter Soldier
* Red Hulk just looked cool. I know, when you watch Marvel your brain accepts whatever is happening, but he was so perfectly photorealistic that I believed it wholly.
* The fight scenes were really cool, especially with the brainwashed soldiers.
* The flight choreography was good too! Definitely a lot of missed opportunities with it (if I am writing a flying battle near a giant monster in the ocean, you'd better believe I'm having the characters fly inside it or between the fingers or something!) but still good!
This is the prime example of people saying “the cg is too floaty.” Issue people cry over.
Meh... Too late now. Sam is a critically damaged character.
Yeah I’d say that should be the case
I'd rather watch an action sequence with zero cuts than 500.
I don't think that WS worked at all. I really don't get why people love it so much because the politics was surface-level and you could see every twist and fake out coming a mile away.
Loved Civil War though. My favourite after Infinity War.
I love Civil War too. Honestly I love all the Russo brothers MCU stuff
Captain America fighting in air while dealing with new threats is something which can create lots of excitement among fans.