Completely slipped past me that this was Elsa Bloodstone's debut in the MCU.

I wish Marvel didn't just introduce a bunch of new characters that fans have been waiting for and just do absolutely nothing with them.

Elsa, Werewolf, and Man-Thing are all in Werewolf By Night. Blade made his debut in Marvel Zombies as Blade Knight. In speaking of, Moon Knight needs a continuation. It's like the Midnight Sons/Suns and Young Avengers are not reaching their full potential right now. But I know patience is a big thing and they'll make their return soon.

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spicedoubt2025-10-15 04:53

I hope they add her to midnight sons….if they were planning to release it

justafanboy10102025-10-15 04:55

Me too! She will be a great addition!

JSevatar2025-10-15 05:12

Man midnight sons is going to be so cool if/when it comes out..

Tarcion2025-10-15 13:50

It is my absolute most anticipated Marvel project and it isn’t even official. The copium is real.

dgtssc2025-10-15 04:55

No that was Jessica Jones’ debut in the MCU.

justafanboy10102025-10-15 04:56

okay so im not crazy? she does lowkey look like Jessica 🤣

Altines2025-10-15 06:37

I legit thought she was Jessica too before I learned she was supposed to be Elsa

etherama12025-10-15 16:45

You can tell it's Elsa in this picture because of the orange jacket

MaisyDeadHazy2025-10-15 04:57

Seriously, Werewolf by Night was so good, and it kills me that Marvel seemingly has no plans to expand on it. A Bloodstone TV series could be really fun, and leaning into the supernatural side of Marvel could be a good way to breathe some fresh air into the franchise, but I guess the powers that be disagree.

Significant_Delay_872025-10-15 05:01

Really should've gotten a Halloween special presentation every year, maybe that's asking a lot but they're not even an hour, we got a Christmas one for guardians, and then they just called it quits lol

VelocityGrrl392025-10-15 05:07

I really wish we were getting *anything* for Christmas this year. Sigh. I guess I’ll just rewatch Hawkeye. Again. This will be my first watch with my new dog, Lucky the Pizza Dog. Maybe I’ll make some popcorn for the two of us.

CaptainAmeriZa2025-10-15 05:14

It’s really too bad they tried to screw Renner on his salary for season 2. Hawkeye pulling a die hard sounds awesome

havewelost63882025-10-15 05:17

I think it's more that the budgets for Marvel Television have been massively reduced to the point that they literally can't *afford* Renner anymore.

RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-15 05:54

I'd not be shocked. It's part of why Champions makes some sense, all newer talent that's very cheap comparatively, and either they stay cheap, or they grow in popularity enough to get their own movie.

eBICgamer20102025-10-15 06:05

Didn't Brad say they screwed up the pay structure (TV-to-movie-to-TV) though? Even Ms. Marvel, Ironheart and Hawkeye (Kate) were hard to negotiate because they had appearances in both TV and movie, versus America and Cassie staying movie only.

Found that bit:

[It's a different time at Disney+. The original shows were created as limited series with characters that could bounce back and forth between the movies and TV shows. That made it challenging to make season 2s because the deal structure became really expensive, frankly. ](https://ew.com/wonder-man-daredevil-born-again-season-2-x-men-97-marvel-nycc-exclusive-11827139)

I doubt Ms. Marvel has gotten more expensive with how both Ms. Marvel and The Marvels failed in terms of viewership/box office. On the other hand, I think Ironheart might be more expensive coming out of Wakanda Forever and Ironheart.

Mahoka5722025-10-15 10:04

Ironheart was on a different level than the other shows. I was quite impressed. It felt like movie quality. I don't really know how to explain it, but it wasn't quite the cast and story. It was more the production. The shots, the lighting, sound - it was polished.

uncleben852025-10-15 14:38

I agree. I don't remember ever hearing that Ironheart was originally planned for a movie... but it sort of felt like the production was

Top_Ad_1042025-10-15 05:56

Didn’t he say it might still happen in a recent interview?

_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_2025-10-15 10:00

Too late, they did Die Hard in What If…?

Hellknightx2025-10-15 13:10

I still have my doubts that they were screwing Renner at all. He's essentially retired as Hawkeye, so he would probably have had a significantly reduced role in favor of Kate being the new main character.

LetterFront33532025-10-15 16:27

He probably had a lesser role in season 2 as Kate takes the solo lead. That caused the lower salary.

Top_Ad_1042025-10-15 05:56

Hawkeye is so underrated. I loved the Christmas aspect of it.

JadenKorr662025-10-15 06:17

Don’t forget the Christmas movie mashup episode of What If.

KlingonLullabye2025-10-15 18:07

In this fan's perfect world MCU would have like annual seasonal Special Presentations debuting new characters like Werewolf By Night or featuring others in weird side-quests like Guardians of the Galaxy vs Valentine McKee

Not every holiday every year but Halloween seems perfect for at least a few really cool characters

Do the Groot shorts count as Arbor Day specials?

JadedEggplant98312025-10-15 19:16

sigh…

and i guess i’m just gonna hallucinate a Thunderbolts holiday special in my head
along with a “14 months with the Thunderbolts” miniseries

sighhhh

VelocityGrrl392025-10-15 20:52

I’d watch the hell out of that. I’m not the biggest fan of comic T-bolts (at least the runs I’ve read so far), but I love MCU T-bolts.

serger9892025-10-15 13:41

Really big missed opportunity for special presentations and holiday specials, basically the main things D+ should have been doing to expand the MCU

uncleben852025-10-15 14:37

A Halloween Special Presentation every year would be great, but that said they have given us:

(*Helstrom* - 2020)
*Werewolf by Night* - 2022
*Agatha All Along* - 2024
*Marvel Zombies* - 2025

You could also argue we got the survival/thriller bottle episode *4,722 Hours* and the dark, gritty, and supernatural *Ghost Rider* pod from *Agents of SHIELD* in October 2015 and September 2016 respectively as specific spooky season releases.

Hopefully, even if they don't do them as Special Presentations, they do something horror/spooky related each season going forward.

CeruleanEidolon2025-10-15 15:36

Agatha really was a special treat last year.

j4_jjjj2025-10-16 01:08

DOWN, DOWN!

LetterFront33532025-10-15 16:29

Also, Agatha All Along is somewhat a continuation of Werewolf by Night because it introduced Jennifer Kale, another member of the Midnight Suns.

CaptainAmeriZa2025-10-15 05:12

Unfortunately that’s probably all due to the scaling back of Disney+ content. I was completely on board with all the Disney+ stuff, it was great to introduce characters that would never get solo movies (or at the very least origin movies) that could then potentially be used in future movies/shows, and if you don’t want to watch it you don’t have to.

Even if those characters aren’t used in future projects, the way I see it is not as them wasting characters, but that we wouldn’t have gotten anything with them anyway, so at least they gave us something and they could still always come back. Look how long it took Daredevil to finally appear in a movie, or Sterns to make a reappearance.

Overall_Affect_27822025-10-15 05:45

I still maintain this is the way they should go with Blade and it drives me mad that they won’t do it.

No, I’m not a screenwriter and I get the whole “Reddit writes movies” criticism so I’ll probably be downvoted but I really believe they should have Blade be a MacGuffin movie with the Bloodstone. Yes, Blade fighting vampires should be easy but 1) it’s been done already and 2) it *should* fit with the MCU so this using WBN setup and characters would be the way to do it.

Lilith as the villain and she needs the Bloodstone to resurrect her daddy Dracula. Blade was alive in the 1920’s/40’s when Ulysses Bloodstone was active and he was well known to the supernatural as the monster/vampire hunter and clashed with Blade but they formed a kinship once he learned of him as the Daywalker and Blade’s mission. Ulysses knew that the Bloodstone could resurrect Dracula and made Blade promise to help whomever held it to keep it from happening. Elsa seeks out Blade. They discover that Ulysses also knew that the Bloodstone would resurrect Dracula but also kill Blade because he was half human.

Marvel MCU stuff happens and the movie ends with Blade owing Elsa and her asking him to help find her friend since it’s a full moon.

Idk. I’m drunk and spitballing here.

JadenKorr662025-10-15 06:18

Honestly WBN is not only one of my favorite D+ MCU things, it’s one of my favorite MCU entries period.

AnOnlineHandle2025-10-15 11:58

I wish they'd just kept Agents of Shield and wrapped all of these small stories into one ongoing story with common characters, being rotated in and out. AoS was great for being able to bring back characters seasons apart if the story fit, and it felt like a real cohesive universe where story buildup of characters went somewhere.

Tarcion2025-10-15 13:50

Man, I liked the idea of WbN way more than I liked the execution. I’m a big fan of the supernatural side of Marvel but just could not get into it. Maybe it’s because it was kind of a goofier tone despite presenting as a black and white horror movie? I just didn’t get it. Made me very sad. But I have my fingers crossed for seeing these characters again, and for a Midnight Suns movie.

Chief-Redhawk2025-10-15 15:01

Where it feels like they missed the ball was not running two sagas simultaneously post endgame.

What built up the MCU connectivity so much before avengers was the minor appearances of other avengers in other hero’s movies. The problem post endgame was there were too many characters, so even though the cameos continued it didn’t seem as connected.

If they had run a mini-supernatural saga with Strange, werewolf by night, Blade, and moonknight continuing the minor crossovers in areas that make sense it would’ve been awesome. This all could’ve been done while the other planned multiverse projects continued to run their course.

Instead we end up with Wong crossing over into She-Hulk.

CeruleanEidolon2025-10-15 15:41

It also seemed like they were building a Wong mini-arc for a while there, but in retrospect it feels more like they were just ticking off his contractually-guaranteed number of appearances.

It was good seeing him everywhere, and then suddenly we didn't see him anymore.

CaptHayfever2025-10-15 19:19

That's literally what they were trying to do: different sagas at the street level, global level, space level, & magic level.

CeruleanEidolon2025-10-15 15:35

They could have created a new Halloween tradition with a new special every year, and people would eat them up.

impuritor2025-10-15 04:58

They did do something with them. They were in a bad ass special on Disney+ called Werewolf By Night.

justafanboy10102025-10-15 05:01

Just finished my first rewatch of it yesterday which lead me to make this post

FX1142025-10-15 04:59

>Blade made his debut in Marvel Zombies as Blade Knight

To be fair, that was on accident.

varanusprime2025-10-15 05:09

Would love to see Jack, Elsa, and Ted return in any capacity, this short is one of my favorite MCU projects. Also need Moon Knight to meet Werewolf by Night

weirdoldhobo19782025-10-15 05:11

Werewolf by Night II: the Search for Sushi

MaisyDeadHazy2025-10-15 05:18

Werewolf by Knight.

justafanboy10102025-10-15 05:46

Yesss all 4 of them please!!🙏🏾🙏🏾

AvatarIII2025-10-15 22:32

All of them and Blade and Black knight all together and be Midnight Sons.

Quips_Cranks_Wiles2025-10-15 16:03

This special is actually what finally made me bite the bullet and start reading comics. I wanted more of Jack and Elsa.

I just finished the latest Werewolf by Night comic run and had a blast. Bonus points as Moonknight shows up for a couple issues too

Illustrious_List11912025-10-17 15:35

Yes please.. and also that scarlet scarab from Moon Knight.. pls pls pls let her do something..

varanusprime2025-10-17 17:28

I swear I included her in that comment but guess not

Yes she also needs to come back. She was popular enough for Marvel to put Layla in the comics as the new Scarlet Scarab

LurkerOnTheInternet2025-10-15 05:14

Blade made his MCU debut in Deadpool and Wolverine.

taviusparadise2025-10-15 05:23

*eternals

Spicy_Weissy2025-10-15 05:18

WBN rules. Just gave a rewatch. Marvel Knights, a dark line of MCU shows would rule. Daredevil gave it the "fuck" word.

taviusparadise2025-10-15 05:21

*blade’s debut was eternals post credit scene

PhortDruid2025-10-15 06:11

Allusion =/= debut

taviusparadise2025-10-15 06:33

u understand

CeruleanEidolon2025-10-15 15:43

It was literally Mahershala Ali's voice though.

DuckyHornet2025-10-15 11:01

I prefer to think, at this point, that it was actually Mahershala Ali in universe recruiting Dane

CeruleanEidolon2025-10-15 15:49

You mean the actor? That's pretty funny.

"Hey you, yeah, you, the guy who looks like Jon Snow."

"I get that a lot actually."

"You know how to use that sword? I need your help motivating some Disney corporate chucklefucks in my universe."

"Disney? Wasn't Walt Disney a disciple of Mephisto? Here they put him on ice after the siege of Anaheim back in the 50s. Your world must be a nightmare."

"Like I said, I could use some backup."

Mammoth-Elderberry892025-10-15 05:24

I’m still waiting for a Moon Knight season 2 announcement and I’ll wait till the grave if I have to

HerrPizza2025-10-15 12:24

Same

I was positively surprised that Marvel Zombies actually had as many references to Moon Knight as it did, giving me a little hope that they haven't completely forgotten about it

Mammoth-Elderberry892025-10-15 16:10

I honestly got so excited when they played the Moon Knight theme! Probably my favorite theme in the whole MCU.

SirDavidJames2025-10-15 05:24

Marvel could have done its own run of Monsters. There are no movies in that space at the moment. Imagine a Marvel Dracua movie! They could have been camp or serious.

Missed opportunity.

Instead we got The Marvel's or whatever.

Ruben_AAG2025-10-15 05:47

It should be pointed out that a very large chunk of the characters that have been introduced but not expanded upon would work perfectly as Midnight Sons.

Moon Knight, Blade, Elsa, Jack, Man-Thing, Iron Fist are already in the MCU and they’d be perfect for a Thunderbolts esque movie. Ideally Ghost Rider or (a better incarnation of) Morbius would be involved too but I’ll wait for Blade and Iron Fist to properly get involved before making any new requests.

CeruleanEidolon2025-10-15 16:10

If they included Leto's Morbius but Taskmastered him in the first fifteen minutes they would get a blank check from me.

FadeSeeker2025-10-16 08:58

"it's Morbin' Ti-" \*gets beheaded by Mahershala Blade\*

LeggoMahLegolas2025-10-15 05:48

Imo Marvel Presentation (or whatever it is called) should be a way to introduce the general audience to a more lesser known character like Werewolf by Night (is that really his name? I really don't want to call him Werewolf-By-Night all the time)...

If enough general praise the presentation, I'd say proceed with a TV series.

ArcadiaBayRay2025-10-15 05:52

Yeah i loved Werewolf by Night, one of my favorite mcu offerings on disney+. Watched it when it came out and last year when i found out it was in color. Color was neat but i prefered the original black and white. Was cool to see elsa in mcu too. I was introduced to her in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 a few years before. Never thought shed be in the mcu. Hope to see her, Jack and Ted again

Top_Ad_1042025-10-15 05:57

I need this on steelbook! Disney, please 🙏

Tyluhh232025-10-15 05:57

I would be good with a Monsters Unleashed series.

SqueakyTHROWER2025-10-15 06:59

I need to see Elsa and Jessica Jones in one room. Just to be sure they ain’t the same person🤔

R2StarLord2025-10-15 07:10

Man it would’ve been cool if the WBN characters showed up in marvel zombies…

Actual_Squid2025-10-15 07:17

Almost like Marvel studios wants to have the same scope as the comics but doesn't have the means

CaptCaCa2025-10-15 07:42

>do absolutely nothing with them

They are in Werewolf by Night which is dope af!

Myhtological2025-10-15 07:58

Completely removed all her Dante like edge

alphomegay2025-10-15 08:04

Michael Giacchino cooked with this

RoseN3RD2025-10-15 08:19

I think the problem is very obviously in 2021/2022 they were planning on two Avengers movies in 2025, and already being back to a new status quo where you can start building up all these new crossover teams like Midnight Suns and Young Avengers.

They hit the worst possible outcomes with delays from the strikes, which set them back at least 4-5 months, and Quantumania telling them that people don’t want this much content, which really messes up the plan if you’ve been assuming your audience wants 10 projects a year and they only want like 4, maybe 5. And now they’re like at least two years behind where I think they expected to be when they made the initial phase 5/6 announcement

CeruleanEidolon2025-10-15 16:16

Not to mention all of this advance planning was done in a pre-pandemic cinema economy, before box offices cratered for years and streaming became the dominant form of watching movies.

The whole model was turned on its head but there were already projects spooled up and money invested, and there was too much momentum to change course quickly enough. They had little choice but to barrel ahead and hope that things would return to normal eventually, because the alternative was grinding everything to an absolute halt with no guarantee it would ever start up again.

JoeyD4732025-10-15 08:42

I really want a bloodstone series.

TamatoaZ03h1ny2025-10-15 09:01

They better include her and the other characters in Werewolf By Night when they actually get around to that Midnight Sons project

Manhunter_From_Mars2025-10-15 09:42

To be fair, Werewolf by night is probably top 3 marvel studio projects since Endgame for me

MisterAhtapot2025-10-15 10:41

Werewolf by Night could be my favorite MCU project of all time, it‘s so sad they did nothing with the characters afterwards

Kgaset2025-10-15 10:42

I think they wanted to do a lot more with all of these characters but the budgets and funding got pulled way back. Would be nice if they could explore ways to pursue them with limited budgets though. There were some exciting concepts teased that were never followed through on and as a fan it's pretty rough to just have a character left hanging forever.

Aiyon2025-10-15 12:05

How? She was the POV character...

Earthwick2025-10-15 14:34

Wearwolf is legitimately one of my favorite MCU products

justafanboy10102025-10-15 15:53

Agreed mine too tbh

MarcSpector17012025-10-15 14:48

The actress who plays Elsa was awesome. Marvel should have had her bring together the Midnight Sons and then they could have done a special every Halloween.

blackbutterfree2025-10-15 15:06

Irish Jessica Jones, I remember her!

Dealiner2025-10-15 15:18

To be honest, she was very different from her comics version, unfortunately.

Quips_Cranks_Wiles2025-10-15 16:06

True, I love comic Elsa but I also loved this version. Both are fun and badass. Frankly I preferred the MCU outfit too lol, less booby

CeruleanEidolon2025-10-15 15:34

If the multiverse saga has taught audiences anything, it's that we shouldn't expect payoff for anything anymore. The era of the interconnected universe where every story matters to the whole is in the past.

Soulwarfare422025-10-15 15:56

The supernatural stuff is clearly now being left for Post-Secret Wars

I doubt this is the last we have seen of Elsa

justduett2025-10-15 15:57

I know we have to come up with catchy post titles to farm that karma, but how did it slip past you? (we know it didn't actually, I'm just playing along)

Snaptheuniverse2025-10-15 16:20

I think Blade is the perfect opportunity to use Elsa again. When they revealed that the movie was going to be a 1920's period piece I thought up a whole plot:

Movie takes place over 3 different time periods, 1920's, 1970's, and modern day.
It opens in the 1970s, with an already established Blade hunting Dracula in Translyvania with Ulysses Bloodstone and a band of hunters. Before they get to Dracula, its revealed that Blade is also a vampire, and the group fights amongst itself. Dracula shows up and wrecks them, Ulysses and Blade escape seperately. Then the title card. In modern times, we pick up with Blade going to see Dane about the sword, he wants to use it to finally kill Dracula(needs a powerful magical item). Dane can't figure out to control it, so they enlist Elsa's help(Blade has a troubled history with her and she knows about hunting monsters and magical artifacts) as the 3 of them go after Dracula in a modern european city(like berlin) there is intercuts of the 1920s when Blades mother was killed by Dracula and then a younge Blade tried to kill him and was left for dead. In the end they kill him finally, but the post-credits would tease something with Mephisto, setting up a potential midnight sons

Evening_Activity11402025-10-15 16:24

the jonathan majors thing happened and it feels like whatever they had cooking at the time was scrapped in favor of fast tracking Avengers 5

WarriorofBlank2025-10-15 16:25

watched it twice, 1st time in b&w then the fullcolors version on 2nd time.. great introduction into mcu, they probably has more plans since Elsa is without her trademark gun/rifle in it but who knows if it got scrapped n we will never see any of it anymore

KevinAnniPadda2025-10-15 17:04

I get that you can't to a lot with some characters. There just isn't enough of a fan base. Some characters might just get one appearance. That's just all they can afford to do.

But I feel like if you're going to introduce an existing character and never use them again, you have to make them comic accurate. Laura Donnelly could've easily been a new character without changing much.

jedilord912025-10-15 17:30

And she’s long gone.

vroart2025-10-15 17:39

Yup, it’s so easy to miss. Her iconic red hair or the lack of awesome monster hunting action. Really surprised how Deadpool fans didn’t mention a word about how they did her wrong

ChemistryAutomatic612025-10-15 17:52

Am I the only one who had never heard of Elsa or her father until the marvel rivals announcement? If squirl girl is a C-lister then what does that make Elsa.

ThatHat45582025-10-15 18:12

It took them nearly 2 decades to bring back Samuel Sterns. You should know by now delayed payoffs are the name of the game, they just laid the groundwork for the monster occult corner of the MCU I doubt they’ll never touch it again

RealWonderGal2025-10-15 18:42

Because she looks nothing like Elsa, if she had her dyed Red like the comics fan would maybe have a hint

Armandonerd2025-10-15 18:46

At first I thought that was supposed to be Jessica Jones, but nope. Elsa Bloodstone. Hope to see her in midnight sons

secretAGENTmanPVT2025-10-15 18:57

Such an amazing actress as well.

Ok_Sorbet52572025-10-15 19:36

THIS IS ELSA!?

hokagenaruto2025-10-15 19:38

probably because it doesn't look like her at all

no_nameky2025-10-15 23:46

I would like another special like it.

Frozenbobcat2025-10-15 23:57

Blades debut was in Eternals

Xenomorph-Cthulhu2025-10-16 03:56

Elsa has had THREE different hair colors! When she debuted she was blonde, then they made her a ginger, now in the MCU she's a brunette. I know Hollywood hates gingers but this is getting ridiculous!

InterestingFinish7242025-10-16 05:22

I adore this entire project. But it was such a missed opportunity for Elsa's hair to be fiery red when the color shifted in at the end. It's pretty disappointing that she just has brunette/black hair.

StanyeEast2025-10-17 03:20

Kevin Feige is super overrated

Cranesbill2025-10-19 01:13

This is genuinely my first time hearing about this character and this series

I don't know if it was the whole MCU fatigue or what. Guess I have something to watch now! Looks like it was well received which makes it weirder I never saw it pop up on Reddit after it came out.