First time watching the MCU, my favorite character was Iron Man. Second time watching the MCU, now much older and wiser, my favorite character is... Captain America.
I still love Tony. He's one of my favorite characters EVER. Mostly thanks to RDJ and the MCU's writers and directors and whoever cast RDJ despite worries at the time. Tony is just so charismatic and somehow believable. It got to a point where Iron Man, to me, is more believable than say Batman or something despite the 'iron'y (hehe) that Ironman is technically the least realistic one of the two. Why would a billionaire risk his life by going through Gotham City with fists when you can do it with grants, inventions, technology and, of course, a high tech WMD suit. *(Note: this comparison was a live action comparison exclusively)*
But, upon rewatch, now after so many years... wow. Before you read the below, to be clear: I am discussing Iron Man 1 up to Avengers Endgame. (Currently just finished Captain America CW)
First of all: has the MCU always been THIS good? Like seriously guys, the MCU is the diamond standard of any movie franchise. The way the plot and subplots evolves throughout movies and everything is connected felt like a multi billion dollar high quality light Game Of Thronesque Superhero production. I think I was too young to care or just understand or whatever but knowing how the DCEU failed and how the DCU is... well, can't say much about that yet but Superman wasn't as good as Iron Man 1 for me as a franchise starter... but yeah, now I see just how good the golden team was and how great the MCU was and how lucky we were to have lived through it.
So why is cap my favorite character now?
Guess I'm a boomer now lol.
Nah it's because upon rewatch, especially in CW, the guy is able to foresee a lot of things that others either don't or do but are scared to act. Like in CW, it's up for debate but I now see Steve's argument to be the most logical one. You can't regulate the Avengers. Bureaucracy breeds corruption. He was completely right about that. He was also going out of his way to help wherever and whenever he could. HE was basically the guy your mom wanted you to grow up to be in a perfect world: his values can be seen as naive at first and I remember I used to hate how unrealistic he was in terms of how perfect his morals were but the way he grows is so great. Due to deleted scenes such as the one in Sokovia where he sees the antiUS thing, some changes are subtle, but if you paint the picture together you get a masterpiece.
Anyone else had this change of heart?
But, upon rewatch, now after so many years... wow. Before you read the below, to be clear: I am discussing Iron Man 1 up to Avengers Endgame. (Currently just finished Captain America CW)
First of all: has the MCU always been THIS good? Like seriously guys, the MCU is the diamond standard of any movie franchise. The way the plot and subplots evolves throughout movies and everything is connected felt like a multi billion dollar high quality light Game Of Thronesque Superhero production. I think I was too young to care or just understand or whatever but knowing how the DCEU failed and how the DCU is... well, can't say much about that yet but Superman wasn't as good as Iron Man 1 for me as a franchise starter... but yeah, now I see just how good the golden team was and how great the MCU was and how lucky we were to have lived through it.
So why is cap my favorite character now?
Guess I'm a boomer now lol.
Nah it's because upon rewatch, especially in CW, the guy is able to foresee a lot of things that others either don't or do but are scared to act. Like in CW, it's up for debate but I now see Steve's argument to be the most logical one. You can't regulate the Avengers. Bureaucracy breeds corruption. He was completely right about that. He was also going out of his way to help wherever and whenever he could. HE was basically the guy your mom wanted you to grow up to be in a perfect world: his values can be seen as naive at first and I remember I used to hate how unrealistic he was in terms of how perfect his morals were but the way he grows is so great. Due to deleted scenes such as the one in Sokovia where he sees the antiUS thing, some changes are subtle, but if you paint the picture together you get a masterpiece.
Anyone else had this change of heart?
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In the MCU now it is Ca. What's your reason for choosing Cap?
Did you miss the whole beginning of the movie where he was repeatedly rejected for military service?
P.s. I also just read your question with the tonal inflection of sarcasm flippancy of Tony…i did not get that the first time i responded. Lol
Cap essentially stays the same Boy Scout all the way through. I really enjoyed him but they didn’t do enough with him to be the best.
I disagree that cap stays the same boy scout. Cap's core essence as a being is that he's good. A good hearted person. However, he does grow from a government tool who believes we're the good guys to there's no good guys and bureaucracy bad. He kinda becomes an anarchist.
it's him and Superman, two icons of morality and hope.
So the challenge with them comes by putting them in worlds that don't respect that.
Cap is put in a world that is immoral, and he has to be the voice of reason.
Supes is put in world that is hopeless, and he has to be the beacon of hope.
They stay the same, cause they are written to be perfect, so their stories are more about how their ideals come into question when the world around them isnt'.
Thors is a more standard arc, about a god learning humility. It's the same with most Gods - Loki had the same arc.
Wonder Woman is different, and closer to superman. She was a beacon of hope, in a world that had nothing but evil.
IDK why but that feels like such a great little testament to his character.
Ps: We're finishing Civil War - I can't wait for my kids to watch Cap's arch resolution in Endgame
Ouch. What's this feeling in my chest? Pride in someone else finding happiness mixed with realized that we're getting old...
>Cap is the real hero in terms of exemplifying to your kids what a real hero is about.
Yes! I seriously think Cap was the best HERO in any superhero movie since maybe Reeves Superman
>Ps: We're finishing Civil War - I can't wait for my kids to watch Cap's arch resolution in Endgame
I just finished Civil War. Can't wait for you guys to finish the infinity saga. Enjoy!
I hate it when people have someone watch a series or movies or shows out of release order when they specifically rely on you have seen them in release order especially for the after credits scenes
The people that do this only do it for themselves and not for the people who have never seen them before
It's not that deep. The end-credits aren't as meaningful when you are binging the series.
We loved them cause we got little teases to whats next and had to wait months/years for them to be answered.
But if you have the next movie lined up, then it really doesn't matter what the end credits are.
I think he still is (Black Panther also made it high up there, but unfortunately we just didn't get enough of him). But I also look back and see Cap as a truly stable, unifying presence in the series, whose visually iconic leadership is going to be the most missed aspect of when everyone comes back together.
When Ironman is on scene, he'll work up some crazy idea or tell people they oughta do this or that. Like a genius with a specific perspective that's occasionally up for debate. In battle he's like a serious, but cocky uncle.
With Cap, he's a unifying leader who's going to earnestly take care of everyone and absolutely lead the charge in inspiring and well-coordinated fashion.
So I liked Ironman the most, but I think I just might miss Cap the most.
early 30s
>Black Panther also made it high up there, but unfortunately we just didn't get enough of him
It hurt to see Tchalla on screen because of how wonderful the actor was and perfect for the role too
>When Ironman is on scene, he'll work up some crazy idea or tell people they oughta do this or that. Like a genius with a specific perspective that's occasionally up for debate. In battle he's like a serious, but cocky uncle.
>With Cap, he's a unifying leader who's going to earnestly take care of everyone and absolutely lead the charge in inspiring and well-coordinated fashion.
Iron man and Cap are like the moms and pops of the MCU
1. Avengers AOU
2. Winter Soldier
3. Civil War
Before starting the rewatch it was my least favorite Avengers movie. Rewatching it now it's now my most favorite Avengers movie and MCU movie up till Civil War because it's so well coordinated and coherent. AOU, WS, and CW kind of feel like their own mini trilogy of sorts and AOU has great scenes that still feel like early era MCU. Also some deleted scenes in that movie, though deleted, elevate the overall quality especially in developing Cap's character and views.
I also really like Vision this time. Never clicked with me the first time but now he's so interesting for me to watch on screen. Ultron also was more fun this time around for me. I guess I was too young to understand at the time or something.
Thor confirms that Tony was right in attempting to build Ultron and the army of bots.
That's actually what turned me off of Captain America.
He gives this big long lecture about how he's the only one who can determine what's right for the people, and so he shouldn't have to obey the collective will of the people (laws).
He then goes off and commits a whole bunch of major felonies because he believes he knows better. Very selfish felonies because the bulk of them are either...
1. I want to help my friend avoid the consequences of his long list of illegal acts
2. I don't want anyone to tell me what to do
In the end, Captain America became the thing he was fighting against. A person who believed laws don't apply to him and he knows better than anyone else what's right for everyone.
In fact, there's probably a viable argument in there that he was becoming Ultron, who also believed that what he was doing was morally correct and that only he understood things well enough to decide for everyone...
NGL, this is where I would disagree with you because my stance is the same as Tony. If I was a human being living in that world, I would want the Avengers to have some level of oversight. Yes, bureaucracy *can* be corrupt, I have to trust that the system works. If not, what is the point of believing in a government for the people.
Tony's specific argument is that they sign to get the heat off the avengers and then they can tweak it from the inside. Which is a far better deal imo that working from the outside. While Cap is the moral hero we should all aspire to, as a normal human being, I can't count on that because I do NOT know who Captain America is. I'd just see his face on the 9'o clock news every now and then.
Tony is unpredictable, Cap is predictable, and in that way, they are both put in scenarios when those character traits are challenged.
In Civil War, Tony supports the accords, which was unpredictable, Cap is against it, which is predictable, and that is the conflict.
What I like most about all of them (maybe less applicable to Thor) is how they’re all just genuine people that are earnestly trying their best to do good for good’s sake. They often punch above their weight class but they glove up anyways because someone has to do it.
My favorite moments for them all reflect this:
- Cap’s “I can do this all day” and him tightening his shield and standing against Thanos’ army
- Sam upending his life and becoming a fugitive to help Cap in Winter Soldier
- Hawkeye talking to Wanda about he’s just a guy with a bow and arrow who’s fighting because that’s his duty in AoU
In a world full of shitty or corrupt people, it feels refreshing and inspiring to see earnest examples of compassion, morals, integrity, and grit.
The best Cap stories are when he leans on that.
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Tony is just the coolest. He's a charm on screen and you just enjoy him more.
But like you said, Steve is way more compelling as a character.
He's perfect upon introduction, so watching his morals being put to the test through the conflicts of the saga are very entertaining.
This is why you were chosen.
Because a strong man who has known power all his life may lose respect for that power but a weak man knows the value of strength. And knows compassion.
Whatever happens tomorrow, you must promise me one thing. That you will stay who you are. Not a perfect soldier, but a good man
MCU Cap has always been a great character and the yard stick for what a hero should be - super power or not.
I remember seeing Iron Man in the theaters thinking it would be a dud and it was actually very good. The link to my pre-teen Iron Man years is just too great to displace with any other character.
Mid 70's to mid 80's also was the Vision and Wanda stuff. I remember thinking a human interacting with technology being a neat thing. The kid in my wants to see more Vision and Wanda stories. Here we are 50 years later, and I still like it.
Oh yes! Remember that? I thought the same thing too when I heard they were making an Iron Man movie. I was like yeah yeah you're just trying to catch some of that Raimi Spider Man shine for a quick cash grab. Little did we know eh?
People rag on Tony for being rash and reactive, but Steve was *just* as rash and reactive--and had a superiority complex about it.
Not this, but almost the opposite.
Cap is an idealogue. He is an idealist. Hes a fine character *for a fictional world*.
As the world has gone to shit over the last deacde, I have so much more love for the people who are willing to make the most of what they have, not let perfect be the enemy of good.
I *was* a Cap guy. Now I am team Iron Man.
Kinda funny that he went from directing a flying man in a metal helmet (now who does that sound like) to a movie about a war superhero.
But Tony all day for me. It's absolutely elevated by RDJ's performance, but every misstep Tony has makes him feel more human to me. Right from the time he saw the alien army in Avengers,his entire character has this paranoia about him. Every decision he makes comes down to keeping the Avengers together and getting ready for Thanos/the next invasion. He's the richest, most powerful person in the world but you still feel how helpless he feels when he sees what's out there beyond his understanding.
I think a lot of people fail to mention (atleast from what I've seen) that Tony wasn't a fan of the accords either. He only agreed with them because that was what he had to do to keep the Avengers together for the next threat which was all he cared about. He says this multiple times in Civil War - (If we don't do this now, it's gonna get done to us - I'm doing what needs to be done to stave off something worse - I'm trying to keep the Avengers from tearing apart) .
Also, underneath all this (and because of his paranoia), is this obsession with being Iron Man. Even when he tries to put the suit away, he can't go through with it. Ever since Iron Man 3, he tries to be more Tony Stark and less Iron Man and he's always struggling with it. That's why his final line is impactful as far as I'm concerned. Apart from being a callback, it is the perfect culmination of his arc. He accepts that he is Iron Man and this is the culmination of his entire life's work. Sacrificing himself to save the universe from the thing he has been paranoid about ever since he saw the aliens in Avengers 1. Atleast that's how I interpreted it.
Cap's great..but I find Iron Man more compelling.