In my opinion Yelena and Kate have been the best successors so far and I hope Marvel maintains the Black Widow and Hawkeye having a great dinamic vibe in the future with them two
I think one of the reasons these 2 have worked is because they have different tones and personalities from their original heroes, but at the same time they feel loyal to their values and what they defend. And I hope they have a great dinamic together, I think the MCU should not abandon the concept of BW and Hawkeye being a great duo.
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Shang Chi was fun to watch, but I struggled with the comic relief a bit more, since she kinda made everyone look bad by comparison when they trained for their entire lives, she trained for an afternoon, and was still able to contribute a ton. I think she'd be better used in a role where she's culturally trained to think through problems differently (think Disney's Mulan cartoon) rather than a role where she's expected to be at all equal in combat. That ending where they invited Shang Chi to join the Avengers was also... nothing, after Thunderbolts said the Avengers disbanded, and I liked Thunderbolts better.
Moon Knight was great but it did not the MCU. Honestly, the MCU gets increasingly confusing day by day with no less than 3 confirmed afterlives, and... we never touched on this but when I was watching Miss Marvel, I started thinking about her religion. She's a firm Muslim... who has now met people who have directly seen the afterlife. Monica Rambeau was there. She saw it. So has about half the avengers, Rocket Raccoon twice, Moon Knight twice simultaneously... at some point... that's gotta shake religions a bit right? The existence of Moon Knight makes an earth-like MCU unviable. EVERYONE SAW THE GIANT LIZARD GOD IN EGYPT.
I’m pretty sure the gods fighting in Egypt couldn’t be seen or heard by anybody except the avatars. This is a reoccurring thing in Moon Knight.
The existence of multiple afterlives doesn’t matter because there is a large variety of gods to oversee their own areas. Thor Love and Thunder gave us a glimpse into a wide variety of gods. They can all exist independently.
Also (and there's no way Miss Marvel would know this) but a god's failure to intervene is due to them lazing around in Thor: Love and Thunder, so when there's no intercession for Kamala when she's struggling... means her religion is lazy or fake.
She doesn’t have to be super intelligent, but she could be street smart and a first gen immigrant while he’s separated from his culture because he never knew his parents.
Something like that, idk.
But in the movie he knows his father and his sister, he just hasn’t seen them in a decade
I don’t mind supporting characters, but it felt like they really needed something for Katy to do in the 3rd act and it came across a little too convenient
People gave the character of Natasha shit like "there's nothing super or special about her, and she's boring."
She survived the hulk, got info from Loki, and was the one to suggest trying to shut down the doorway again, then went there (in kick ass fashion) and with the help of Eric (another forgotten character) shut the damn thing down.
Her fight with Hawkeye was also pretty great.
It’s really disappointing because they could have done so much with her.
With Tommy confirmed for VisionQuest I hope that means we get Young Avengers soon
I feel like part of the charm would be that they are doing smaller scale missions and there’d be more time to focus on the team dynamics and the different relationships within the team. I think Billy and Tommy especially will need a lot more lower stakes screen time with each other to make their eventual reunion satisfying. That way different episodes and episode arcs would also be able to focus on different characters.
That’s probably a very controversial opinion though, as I know a lot of people aren’t into the TV side of things as much.
Young Avengers was cancelled after The Marvels bombed, that was leaked months ago.
Champions was scripting, but there's only one live action a year now per Feige and Iger, and Daredevil is renewed through season 3. So the earliest it could happen is 2029.
Champions in 2029 isn't viable. No one will even remember who the characters are at that point. So it's dead as well.
We should have had more scenes where the heroes were shown to be first and foremost people and we could have cared more about what happened to them.
A setpiece is cool the first few times, after that it's exhausting and when it takes up half a project, it leaves no room for actual character development.
But my point was that the current directionless feel of the MCU might be the reason they aren't capitalizing on their dynamic with a show/movie in a timely fashion.
Hopefully, they are retooling things in the background to adjust for the change in direction and that means those characters' new stories are just delayed instead of abandoned.
Tbf Kate could have been in;
- quantumania
- the marvels (bigger role)
- daredevil born again (hopefully s2/3?)
- thunderbolts technically
Or, hopefully, we haven't seen her in those projects because they already know exactly what they're going to do with her and we just aren't there yet. No way of telling until something does or doesn't happen. Fingers crossed that it's soon, lol.
Fan spaces might be crazy about these two, but the general audiences are not.
i mean remember when folks didn't know greta gerwig and then look at barbie financial numbers, if OPs logic applied no one would guess how big barbie could have gotten since female led movies rarely succeed let along get to those numbers etc etc but they got everything and the marketing right, lo behold. Similarly look how obi wan kenobi or other show turned out vs Andor. If you go by IP rules then andor is so less popular than other characters in the IP but then give the give it to someone who a good idea for that characters and success followed.
it is reductive to think otherwise and frankly underestimating what good producing and marketing can do
Again, these are characters people are familiar with. They've had all the marketing and production they could possibly want, Yelena especially. The audiences just aren't interested in them.
EDIT - I guess i have too much of a indie film heart, i get excited by interesting stories and choices made from films in festive circuits as well. so for me, i want these talented actors and characters in interesting projects and i wish the producers also feel like that. and its not like the audience hasn't been wrong, many examples of audience thinking some casting choice or concept is weird (who asked for this phenomena) only to turn around and enjoy it - because casting is just !% of a project and until you actually sees something you don't know how good it is. the writing, dialogue, cinematography, stunts etc I love movies too much to not fight against this deterministic thinking :)
Yelena is a great follow up to og Black Widow. I have no notes, she's just so much fun. The Thunderbolts as a team are great all together. Surprisingly every character hits.
She has some interesting potential if they opted to do anything with her and the F4, given Scott lead the team in comics and they are family friends. But until then, she's a weird one without much history despite being nearly 50 years old as a character.
From what I remember, it was less than 10 minutes together and only a handful of lines. I feel like this subreddit has built this whole thing that wasn't really there out of like two lines Florence said.
Shes the A1 character/actor combo that can be a central building block of the future of the MCU. Shes the closest to the original 3 that we have now.
The guy who plays Walker hit a homerun in Thunderbolts IMO. He had a lot of people 180 their opinion on the character.
100%
Hes a spectacular character, even if he isnt a *good guy*.
shame, havent seen much of Kate since then in live action (correction: "never seen much")
Thank God Florence has been used so much. She’s like the only new character they even try with now.
These two should be staples of the Avengers brand going forward just like Clint and Natasha.
Yelena is becoming my new favourite, Kate is about up there
To each their own.