How would you have done phase 4?

I would have had it center on the aftermath of the blip while multiverse drama takes a back seat. Specifically a world without the Avengers and searching for new heroes. I'd axe Eternals since they didn't really do anything with it, rewrite Black Widow to make Taskmaster more comic accurate, and I'd introduce both the Fantastic 4 and the X-Men and have them both tied to Earth being the epicenter of two back to back explosions of cosmic power.

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Single-Pianist-22112025-10-14 00:39

First off, would’ve let the MCU rest for a few years

Ordinary-Chain-80472025-10-14 00:44

Take a few year break then id do this

Phase 4 (11 projects) all post credits will be resolved

Falcon and Winter Soldier (similar to the show just a movie instead)

Black Widow

Wandavision

Hawkeye

Loki (1 and 2)

Shang Chi

Moon Knight

The Eternals (show)

Spider-Man No Way Home (same 5 villains w Mysterio back)

Black Panther Wakanda forever

Thunderbolts* New Avengers

Magnusfyr2025-10-14 00:48

Phase 4-5 needed more interconnectivity and less saturation imo. My main thoughts:

* Falcon and the Winter Soldier could've potentially been reworked into a movie. There was a lot of fluff that didn't need to be there, but I liked some of the stuff with Bucky/Zemo and John Walker.
* Black Widow should have been released before Infinity War in phase 3.
* Eternals would work better in in Phase 5 since it took a while for them to mention the celestial again.
* Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night should've been saved for a future phase to release alongside Blade, building up to Midnight Sons.
* Young Avengers related stuff (Ms Marvel, Hawkeye, The Marvels) should have been released closer to when they're actually going to assemble the Young Avengers. Maybe phase 6-7 (assuming they're not in Doomsday/Secret Wars).
* Shows like Secret Invasion, I Am Groot, and Echo didn't need to exist imo. Maybe some others too.
* Thunderbolts would've been a good ender for Phase 4. Optional sequel in Phase 5.
* Shang-Chi should have had a sequel in Phase 5.
* Captain America: Brave New World should've been the ender for Phase 5, and had Sam assemble a small team of Avengers to fight Red Hulk.

Rudias872025-10-14 01:04

I agree with this, though I don't think we needed a Black Widow movie at all (even though the movie is decent watch), especially starting a new phase.

I think FATWS movie starting the phase would have been better. Maybe introduce Black Widow in that movie.

RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-14 01:50

I think doing Young Avengers closer together would work for some but other projects would need to be reworked like Quantumania or MoM, unless those members were simply reworked into other projects vs their own.

cookiemagnate2025-10-14 06:26

Wonderfully outlined, for real. My only contribution to this is suggesting Black Widow and Captain Marvel switched, while also removing Captain Marvel's presence from Endgame.

Placing Black Widow between Infinity War and Endgame, adds some additional emotion with Natasha's death. Simultaneously, you set Captain Marvel as a proper player in the universe without having to hamfist her to the end of a saga and give her nothing to do at the same time.

NamelessGamer_12025-10-15 00:50

I agree with most of this, but Sam assembling Avengers to fight Red Hulk sounds dumb.

dpittnet2025-10-14 01:37

Multiverse

Techno_Core2025-10-14 01:50

I'd have ended the MCU, retool and start over, from scratch, with mutants and the FF. Start small with mostly standalone stories. Maybe starting with Xavier becomes Professor X and starts his school.

SeekerVash2025-10-14 02:04

1. I would've recast Black Panther by having M'Baku take up the mantle and explore a story line where he grows to understand T'challa's burden then becomes a worthy successor.

2. I would've made Bucky Captain America

3. I would've kept Captain Marvel 2 instead of The Marvels

4. I would've folded Kate and Kamala into the mainline and played them off of Spiderman as a young, inexperienced sub-team

5. I would've dropped Echo and She-Hulk in favor of a Agents of Shield revival and a Warriors Three mini-series

6. I would've fired the entire script team for Secret Invasion and started it over

7. I would've forced the Blade team to produce scripts about Blade, and gotten it in front of a camera as the intro to Midnight Sons

eagc72025-10-14 04:08

I would've done less projects and allowed myself the room to change the slates to make room for sequels if the movie was succesfull instead of fulling the initial slate as originally announced, then do sequels

Kamala_Husband2025-10-14 04:20

phase four would be a back to basics phase, The main movies would be, With some focus being on the Snap, while also having a little be of set up for the multiverse, Loki, What if, & Ms. Marvel will be key here.

Black Panther, Wakanda Forever
Falcon/Captain America & The Winter Soldier
Captain Marvel 2
Guardians of The Galaxy
Shang-Chi
Avengers Secret Invasion
& Finally Spiderman No Way Home.

The Main Avengers for this phase would be

Shang-Chi, Wong, Captain America, Bucky, Captain Marvel, & Black Panther in this Phase.

The shows would be Wandavision, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, What if, & Loki.

I'm eliminating projects like Moonknight, She-Hulk, & Eternals. Not because their bad, but because we don't want to overstuffed the phase with so many new characters and shows, I think we can keep it simple, we can introduce these characters in later phases. I think this phase we can focus on wrapping up certain stories, while also introducing some new characters for said phase.

Captain Marvel Two would lead right into secret invasion. I think it could be an action pack, suspense movie. She doesn't know who she can trust, and the Skrull situation isn't exactly a problem she can just punch through. I think this would put a character like Carol in an interesting situation. We could also introduce super Skrull here.

Each end credit scene would have a major important character being a Skrull.

Ms. Marvel would have an end credit scene of Wong Showing up just like he did with Shang-Chi and tell her about her energy and powers. The captain marvel post credit scene will be in Ms. Marvel season 2.

LemmingPractice2025-10-14 05:24

Get rid of Black Widow and Eternals, while cutting a lot of the television content.

For phase 5, have Kang kill Ant Man, to get him over as the big bad.

Get a Shang Chi sequel in phase 5, with Doctor Strange showing up, and dealing with the origins of the rings they hinted at in his end credits sequence (which seemed to be suggesting they were Kang tech).

Have Doctor Strange sequel in phase 5, too, further building up the multiversity incursion angle.

Cut the filler, and more interconnectedness.

FreeStall422025-10-14 07:53

Would not do it at all.

It was a fun movie series. As far as am concerned it is over. Everything else is just te aftermarh with some morbid amusement.

CaptHayfever2025-10-15 00:14

"Like hell, you won't!" ~the shareholders

Caciulacdlac2025-10-14 13:19

They wouldn't have the time to put X-Men and Fantastic Four in phase 4, they just got the rights in 2019 and they already had a plan by then.

CaptHayfever2025-10-15 00:14

You're speaking in hindsight. How would you have done it if you *couldn't* predict the future?

Hot_Consideration_862025-10-17 01:43

The problem with Phase 4 is that it should have been building Thunderbolts and Sam’s Avengers, and left the multiverse stuff to phase 5.

As it is, there was this big multiversal threat looming, but it kinda sputtered out and we did other stuff and now it is suddenly a big deal again.

Turbulent-Spirit-5682025-10-17 23:25

Probably a hot take but I have recently felt that Infinity Ultron could've been the multiversal villain instead of Kang and Doom.

We start in Loki S1 but with only a minor change. During Episode 6, He Who Remains mentions that we've "crossed the threshold", this could be in reference to Ultron becoming a fifth dimensional being. Then, we get to What If? S1 Where we get the nine episodes but we replace the finale with the gamora episode from season 2 and have Ultron winning at the end of What If? It would still end with The Watcher seeking help from Strange Supreme

Spiderman No Way Home would also get a change as the villains would be finding a new home from Ultron who invades their home realities. Peter still tries to save them but Strange will still want to just send them back to their death. Ultron could be a main antagonist in Multiverse of Madness where Strange and Wanda have to work together to subdue Ultron in a pocket reality of some kind for the time being. But, there would still be conflict for Wanda using the darkhold and the Westview incident

Thor Love and Thunder, Ms Marvel and Shang Chi could have teases where Ultron has some link to the Bangles, The Ten Rings and tries to find Eternity

Quantumania and The Marvels would similarly have teases of Ultron's arrival to take over the multiverse. Eg a warning from The Exiled One and/or Dhar-benn

Loki S2 would see Loki and the TVA trying to help survivors of dying universes and try and minimize the damage that Ultron is doing to the multiverse. Loki could still become God of Stories to hold the multiverse together and keep an eternal eye on Ultron

Deadpool and Wolverine would also have a tease for Ultron from the TVA and potentially his arrival in Earth 10005

X-Men 97, Your Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man and Fantastic Four First Steps would see the beginnings of the invasions of Ultron in their respective universes. S2 of X-Men 97 would still deal with the apocalypse storyline but when they get back to the future they have to help against Ultron

Brave New World and Thunderbolts would get some teases for a multiversal threat causing issues in the multiverse.

Vision Quest could have a tease as 616 Ultron may be able to connect to Infinity Ultron's hivemind and determine his plans going forward

Then we get to Doomsday which would be renamed Avengers: Multiversal Extinction where we see a similar premise to What If 1x09 where The Watcher and Strange Supreme try and recruit heroes & villains to try and stop Ultron from destroying the universe. They ultimately fail and Ultron creates his "perfect universe" battle world

Then, we get Secret Wars and this is our Endgame moment where every hero and villain from every universe across the multiverse team up to finally take down Ultron but this ultimately leads to a crisis on infinite earths moment where every universe gets erased from the timeline and the multiverse and we get the rumoured rebooted Earth for the MCU which is a true 616

CharacterOld86912025-10-18 14:54

Doctor Strange could have tied the phase together, if MoM had come out in 2021, maybe crossed over with Loki, and better set up Time Runs Out, Clea, and incursions.