How Brave New World could have been improved?

I have maintained the stance that BNW is like the Fast and Furious of MCU. Just a simple action flick with no narrative depth. And I have been thinking, how it could have been fixed. Also I am not including any spoilers. (>! I am assuming everyone knows that Leader and Red Hulk are in the movie !<)

The movie could just have been Ross (not Red Hulk) dealing with the Serpent Society (no involvement of that other guy). They eliminate his opponents. He promises to grant them trade secrets, military weapons etc. They find out his real plans to betray them and so they try to leak everything and screw up his adamantium policy (which Ross is planning to use to involve Stryker for a weapon). To save himself, Ross involves Sam to take care of them, portraying himself as the good guy. That could have been such a good spy thriller.

What do y'all think? What else could have been done?

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JyconX2025-10-13 16:02

Captain America movies are supposed to be more like political thrillers rather than spy thrillers. Besides, does trading secrets and military weapons really sound like something Thaddeus Ross would do?

Dempressed_Kimg2025-10-13 16:04

That's the whole point. He would promise to do that, but he won't actually do it. That is why the Serpent Society would turn against him.

Also I meant political thriller only. My bad.

ubutterscotchpine2025-10-13 16:05

It could’ve been improved by being an Avengers movie about Sam building his team.

Dempressed_Kimg2025-10-13 16:07

Wouldn't that make it an Avengers movie ??

newscumskates2025-10-13 16:08

Was Civil War an Avengers movie?

Dempressed_Kimg2025-10-13 16:14

No but the core of Civil War was Steve Rogers' development. Firstly after Winter Soldier introduced the concept of Winter Soldier, Civil War introduced multiple Winter Soldiers. Then there was Steve's perspective towards organised government bodies. There was also his old friend Bucky killing someone related to his new teammate. All of this created conflict with the rest of the Avengers.

newscumskates2025-10-13 19:01

So, you just proved why it wouldn't be an Avengers film.

Dempressed_Kimg2025-10-13 19:10

That person just mentioned Sam assembling his Avengers as the movie. Since they didn't give much more, it would be safe to compare it to Batman assembling the Justice League in Snyder Cut. That was a Justice League movie, not a Batman movie. So an Avengers movie before Avengers Doomsday would have been a moot point. Besides the purpose was to have a Sam's Captain America movie.

Also Civil War was Steve's 3rd standalone and prolly 5th MCU appearance. We had enough material with him standalone to know him well. BNW was Sam's 2nd project as lead. We had seen him as Cap for just 1 episode. We can't just put him directly in a team up movie if we want to develop that character properly.

ubutterscotchpine2025-10-13 20:37

Except, he did have development. He had an entire series of development and they’re literally going to throw him into Doom with a team from the start. ‘That person’ said it once and they’ll say it again, Sam’s movie should have been an assembling HIS Avengers movie. Period.

Dempressed_Kimg2025-10-13 21:01

I was confused for a second why you took offense to "that person" so I had to check whether I misidentified you. But we are clear.

Yeah so okay. How much do we know about Sam Wilson as Captain America? He was a great sidekick to Steve Rogers then he felt like he was not good enough to take the mantle of Captain so he gave it away. But he realized that it had fallen into the wrong hands so he took back the mantle. As Captain America we know he has his experience of dealing with PTSD vets, we know he can be good with his team (from What If). What else do we know about his Captain America? What is his moral stance, how does he handle the pressure of being Captain America, what part of America does he want to represent? These things develop over time and they define the character. This is the thing about legacy characters, they need distinct qualities abt their version of character to really establish themselves in that character. BNW also didn't do a good job at this, that's why I asked about fixing it.

That brings me to my next point. I asked about how you would fix the movie. Fixing something implies making changes over it. Yes it could have been made as an Avengers movie. Heck someone mentioned that the MCU could have made Secret Invasion a movie with the new Avengers and Sam in charge. But that is a different movie. That is essentially replacing what we had because then it would not be a "Captain America" movie, it would have been "Avengers" movie. But the question was how would you fix Captain America: BNW, not how you would replace it.

And again Sam forming his Avengers would not be a "Captain America" movie just because Steve vs Tony was a "Captain America" movie. The core story beats would be totally different. In Civil War the code story revolves around impact on Steve and his reactions. The core story beats in this new movie would revolve around the actions of Sam Wilson and the impact on others. Do you see this difference?

ubutterscotchpine2025-10-13 16:11

I literally said ‘would’ve been improved by being an Avengers movie’. I’m confused by your question?

Dempressed_Kimg2025-10-13 16:15

Yeah but my post was about improving the movie as Sam Wilson's movie. Not by changing it into an Avengers' movie.

ubutterscotchpine2025-10-13 16:18

It would have been led by Sam Wilson. This is the only thing that would have improved the movie.

DancinHomer21062025-10-13 16:18

If I wrote it, Id have half the movie be Isaiah Bradley’s backstory, seeing him in action, getting court-martialled and jailed, interspersed with Sam’s present-day adventures in such a way that would create a parallel between the two. Isaiah is such an interesting, charismatic character, he should have had a central role in the film and the broader MCU.

Dempressed_Kimg2025-10-13 16:21

Oh yeah that also sounds good.

No_Imagination_24902025-10-13 17:28

I felt it really suffered from having a weak supporting cast, an area where CA: Winter Soldier was really strong with Sam, Bucky, Natasha and Fury all providing excellent support. In BNW, I didn't really feel anything about Falcon II and the Israeli Widow.

matty_nice2025-10-13 18:53

I would have tried to combine Falcon and the Winter Solider, Captain America Brave New World, and Thunderbolts.

Brave New World is the last film of Phase 4. The quasi follow up to Black Widow. Sam's the new Captain America with Bucky as his sidekick. They come into conflict with General Ross and his new team of called the Thunderbolts as they hunt down the Serpent Society. Film ends with Bucky joining the Thunderbolt to help guide them.

Thunderbolts sees Bucky leading the team of misfits. New super soliders are being developed and they go to Zemo for help stopping them. They discover that the Leader is behind things, and have to go against the Sentry to stop him. In the end, Zemo seemingly sacrifices himself. Post Credit scene is Citizen V.

FreeStall422025-10-14 07:56

Not be made under Disney.

They are tootheless especially these days.