Tommy maximoff is back, a SPEEDSTER

We aren't never seeing makari in the mcu, hope tommy doesn't end up like his uncle

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NitroBlast45632025-10-13 04:21

well I’m glad.

Grayx_28872025-10-13 05:02

So... Billy and Tommy Maximoff in the MCU are not part of Wanda's hex during the events of *"WandaVision."* They can now suddenly manifest their own consciousness into other people's bodies after they original person died in an accident and can now leach their souls into a dead persons body. But can still have the previous memories of their past selves from the hex while pretending to be the dead person in their current lives?!

Yeah, this retcon from Post-WandaVision is really weird.

Smkingbowls2025-10-13 05:05

Still less complicated than the comics

Grayx_28872025-10-13 05:09

So, remind me again. What were the origin stories of Wiccan and Speed in the comics? I can understand why the comics suddenly retconned Wanda and Pietro not being Magneto's kids for like the second time despite everyone else being familiar with that type of backstory for their characters. But for Billy and Tommy in the comics?! I can't remember anything from their backstories.

Due_Load_11642025-10-13 06:15

All I know is that their souls were connected to mephisto

Grayx_28872025-10-13 06:19

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Riley__642025-10-13 08:03

In the comics Billy and Tommy exist due to Mephisto and the hex once the hex was destroyed so where Billy and Tommy but their souls remained it’s them eventually making their way into new reincarnated host bodies.

The MCU simplified this by just having Billy and Tommy being created by wandas magic no Mephisto and once the hex was destroyed Tommy and Billy’s souls entered the bodies of recently deceased people.

Still convoluted but far less so compared to the comics. It’s basically just the idea of reincarnation when you die you’re reborn as a new person and occasionally it’s believed you can remember your past life.

SharpshootinTearaway2025-10-13 08:20

Billy and Tommy's souls being shards of Mephisto was retconned to being a lie from Mephisto seeking the powers of the boys, a little while ago.

They are the Demiurge. It's unclear why the Demiurge chose to manifest on Earth as the Scarlet Witch's two sons, or if it was always born from the Scarlet Witch's Chaos Magic. We don't know yet. But their origins are no longer tied to Mephisto.

There are currently two Billy and Tommy in the comics, too. The reincarnated Kaplan and Shepherd, who are now young adults. And the time-displaced vagrant souls of the original little boys who sometimes pop up in some stories while they're on their reincarnation journey.

8CURSEDwidKNOWLEDGE82025-10-13 05:40

I’m not understanding what you’re saying. Why would the connection with the hex not correlate to your statement after? I just look at it like Wanda has reality warping powers/magic so she can basically do whatever she wants. And she messed with the dark hold for the purpose of getting her children back so I also believe that might’ve had an impact on their existence and their consciousness existing without a body 🤷🏾‍♂️

Grayx_28872025-10-13 06:18

I was trying to refresh my memories from what Agatha All Along had told me once we got to "Billy Kaplan's" flashback episode and from what the finale had shown us about how Tommy Maximoff came to be **before** he is being reintroduced as a possible "teenager" in *"VisionQuest."* Now someone had already responded to my post earlier, and apparently, the backstories for Wiccan and Speed in the MCU are less complicated than their origins stories from the comics.

8CURSEDwidKNOWLEDGE82025-10-13 06:23

Oh ok I understand. I would have to rewatch that series too to have a better understanding. When it comes to reality powered characters the writers can damn near do anything no matter how weird or convoluted because they can just lean on that reality warping ability

Void_Warden2025-10-13 08:19

Wanda created actual souls. Not just hallucinations/illusions. This was evident in Wandavision by the fact she was unable to fully control and manipulate them

Sir__Will2025-10-13 08:26

1) only Billy has this ability. He pulled Tommy with him and has now inserted Tommy into a body

2) they don't have memories from the Hex or those from the person whose body they entered. Obviously some things came with them, Billy still has some basic knowledge and can function and stuff, but he doesn't remember the hex. He had to figure out that he was Billy Maximoff.

FriedCammalleri232025-10-13 07:13

I don’t mean to be rude, but how the hell do you pronounce his first name

FrostyGrotto2025-10-13 07:43

It’s the Scottish and Irish spelling of “Rory” and it’s pronounced the same way.

Sir__Will2025-10-13 08:23

Huh, cool, good to know.

LegendaryOutlaw2025-10-13 07:53

Thanks for asking this question so I didn’t have to. It reminds me of the time Saorise Ronan was on a late show and the host was showing cards with Irish names on them and she was explaining how to say them. The spellings are wild.

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