Eternals, Deadpool (for the MCU at least), Fantastic Four, Sam’s Captain America (debatable, but I’ll include it)
Kwilly4622025-10-11 19:16
Eternals (okay I'll give you that one), Deadpool (definitely not, like what?) Sam's Captain America (that's not debatable either, since his origin as Cap was in F&WS).
So yeah, it's really just Shang Chi and Eternals. Which would make OP correct
SnitGTS2025-10-11 19:24
Deadpool & Wolverine were not in the MCU prior, so that is their MCU origin.
F&WS was not a movie.
Fantastic Four as well.
melvin-melnin2025-10-11 19:34
I think "origin movie" is different than "the movie this character first debuted in within the MCU" Like Sam Wilson's Captain America had an origin in F&WS, so Cap 4 isn't an origin for him. Deadpool has a trilogy of movies, Deadpool 1 is his origin.
tmax89082025-10-11 19:36
I think we need to disambiguate “origin”. It usually means how the superhero became a superhero. Their original story. It doesn’t usually mean the first time they’re seen, especially if the hero has been established as a hero prior, offscreen.
SnitGTS2025-10-11 20:04
So was Homecoming Spiderman’s origin movie, or was it the 2002 Spiderman with Tobey Maguire?
tmax89082025-10-11 20:10
MCU does not have a Spider-Man origin story by this definition
IntrinsicGamer2025-10-11 19:58
That’s… that’s not what an origin movie is. None of those are origin films. FF touches on their origin by mentioning it a few times, but they’re been established heroes for years in the film.
koreawut2025-10-11 19:33
Shang-Chi is also far and above better than FatWS.
Flight_3162025-10-11 19:42
Nobody is arguing that it isn't. The discussion is this comment thread is what is considered an "origin" movie? To which I agree with [Kwilly462](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1o40vgn/comment/niywd3w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
koreawut2025-10-11 20:17
Yes, and even if someone considered FatWS an origin, Shang-Chi is still the best.
Flight_3162025-10-11 21:03
... Again, nobody is arguing that it isn't.
Sylar_Lives2025-10-12 02:30
You still excluded Fantastic Four. Black Widow would also be Yelenas origin movie technically
Kwilly4622025-10-12 02:53
Fantastic 4 is NOT an origin story. And Black Widow is not about Yelena.
Arkyja2025-10-11 21:26
Origin movie doesn't mean first movie. Deadpool is not the MCU's deadpool origin movie because it's not an origin movie period.
bob_here_baby2025-10-11 19:15
Black widow and Eternals are after the endgame. I like Eternals too
rpgmind2025-10-11 19:17
Whatcha think the best origin one is before endgame?
BothCompliant77682025-10-11 19:23
Ironman
SnitGTS2025-10-11 19:59
Guardians
FX1142025-10-11 19:22
Black Widow isn't an origin movie, though, it's just her first solo movie.
Kwilly4622025-10-11 19:50
Yup, was gonna say this. It has flashbacks, but the main story of that movie has nothing to do with how she became Black Widow.
Thundergod2502025-10-11 20:13
That's more like Yelena and her Father's origin movie for Thunderbolts
FX1142025-10-11 20:33
And even then, it's more an introduction than an origin.
WithoutTheWaffle2025-10-11 19:40
Depends on if you count shows like moon knight and Ms marvel.
IntrinsicGamer2025-10-11 19:56
I would in fact not count those as origin movies due to them not being movies.
redsyrinx21122025-10-11 20:09
Big, if true
WithoutTheWaffle2025-10-11 23:02
Ah, I read it as "origin stories". My bad. Reading is hard, apparently.
SnitGTS2025-10-11 19:12
It’s criminal that we haven’t seen him since.
Manfleshh2025-10-11 20:16
It was honestly great seeing him again in Zombies.
ehtseeoh2025-10-11 20:19
What If as well!
therealmonkyking2025-10-11 22:39
And he's actually coming back in Doomsday thank god
ehtseeoh2025-10-11 23:50
I have a feeling the beacons from the rings are signaling to Doom, and there’ll be a *struggle* of a fight between Shang Chi and Doom that will end up with Victor punishing Shang Chi like we’ve never seen before in the MCU, like Bane and Batman in TDKR.
Darth_Tycho2025-10-12 09:45
If they kill off Shang-Chi in his second movie appearance I'm gonna riot
ehtseeoh2025-10-12 14:28
I don't think he'll die, but I can see one of his arms breaking in the fight and make him lose half the rings right away and then Doom slams him with the five rings he lost causing him to collapse and then lose the other five and that's how Doom gets all ten rings probably in the last act of the movie before something even more catastrophic happens.
KrifeH2025-10-11 22:55
I wonder if he’s ever gonna have a solo movie or if he’s always gonna have Awkwafina sidekick
Nujers2025-10-11 22:43
Am I crazy or wasn't he in a post credit scene for something else at one point?
BravoLeader30002025-10-11 23:15
In the Ten Rings post-credits scene, Wong came and got him and Katy, and told Shang-Chi that his Rings were even older than Infinity Stones and were sending a signal that Kamar Taj had detected. I had always interpreted that as meaning they were somehow connected to Arishem/Celestials, but many people think it was connected to Kang.
Nujers2025-10-12 00:07
Ah, I attributed that scene to a different movie but you're right. I suppose he was technically in an episode of What If, but not quite sure that counts.
Intentionallyabadger2025-10-12 06:48
Ngl the Kang city in antman had alot of “rings”.
Kang was prob supposed to be the big bad leading to doom.. but things changed.
BravoLeader30002025-10-12 07:02
Yes, everyone says that he has lots of rings in his tech, but is he/his tech older than Infinity Stones?
Intentionallyabadger2025-10-12 07:30
With Kang comes alot of time traveling shenanigans so it could be possible.. highly improbable though.
OmegaPsiot2025-10-12 02:43
He's been in that karaoke booth for years
Obvious-End-79482025-10-12 02:45
Marvel developing so many projects simultaneously that all require years of development but not committing to any of them before seeing the general audience reception was not a good strategy.
I wish they had more confidence in the stories they want to tell and the characters they're using.
Good_old_Marshmallow2025-10-12 17:37
If I had to give the post end game MCU one fatal misstep it’s this. A lot of things have been out of their control (well the strike that really hurt the marvels was not outside of disneys control but whatever) but this mistake of not doing anything with the characters that worked is a huge misstep.
Phase one marvel followed up with an iron man sequel right away, we had Captain American sequels constantly.
If they wanted us to stayed interested in this world they should’ve kept using the characters that worked instead of reaching back into the box for more toys. Make another Shang Chi soon, introduce the New Hawkeye into the cinematic universe, maybe don’t make a black panther without black panther when you don’t really have a plan, give Sam his own Captain American movie not a tv show in that first round (call it Captain America and the Winter Solider 2 for the call back). Now by the time Thunderbolts comes out you have a Sam Wilson avenger team we actually know and care about and this constraining avengers team of antihero’s searching for redemption.
CommunityFan_LJ2025-10-11 19:14
Everything but that cgi fest at the end. That ruined the movie for me.
gangofbears2025-10-11 19:46
It didn’t ruin the movie, but it was absolutely the wrong choice.
The first two thirds of the movie were sooo fresh and full of interesting practical stunts. Instead of a CGI army, they should have done a simple hand-to-hand combat sequence for the finale.
CommunityFan_LJ2025-10-11 19:48
Saying ruined the movie is a bit of an overstatement, but it brought the film down. Just like what happened with Wonder Woman
BravoLeader30002025-10-11 23:20
He's a Master of Kung Fu!! Marvel could've given us a genre film! 😭😭😭
Antrikshy2025-10-11 19:54
The musical sting just before he kills the dragon was peak though.
I was so glad to hear that ten rings music in Marvel Zombies recently.
ckal092025-10-11 21:23
I was just talking to someone in another thread about this. It was a good cgi fight with some really great cinematic moments. The part I would have cut out completely were the other humans fighting in the background.
a_View_Finder2025-10-11 19:15
Tony Leung was the best part of this movie. He encapsulated the stern, focused, and smart leader of the Ten Rings.
SnitGTS2025-10-11 19:26
He was wonderful, best villain in a long time. I wish he would be a recurring character.
Antrikshy2025-10-11 19:53
I specifically watched his older work because of how impressive an actor he was in Shang-Chi.
Silo-Joe2025-10-11 20:08
Did you enjoy Infernal Affairs?
roguevirus2025-10-11 20:21
It was good, but derivative of Scorsese's work /s
Silo-Joe2025-10-11 20:37
Haha
MisterBumpingston2025-10-13 06:13
I almost smacked you through the screen…
Antrikshy2025-10-11 23:04
oof, haven't seen this one yet. Heard of it a bunch! Added to list.
Silo-Joe2025-10-12 05:36
Add the 2 sequels too! ( But I think he’s not in the last one if I remember correctly).
h____2025-10-12 06:07
He's in the 1st and 3rd. The 2nd is a prequel.
TPJchief872025-10-11 21:28
I watched Hero about 1000 times in 2005
MisterBumpingston2025-10-13 06:16
I hope at least one of those times was the Chinese version with yellow subtitles (proper nuanced translated subtitles, “all under heaven”) and not the Miramax version (“presented by Quentin Tarantino” with crappy dub and simplified subtitles). The EDKO Chinese release has proper colour grading whereas Miramax release has high contrast that loses subtle details. There’s also a Chinese extended edition.
TheC92025-10-12 06:03
I watched his TV show since I was 5 years old (not movie yet as he hadn’t make his movie debut yet, I think).
I like to think his appearance in MCU has an enormous impact to a lot of Hong Kong-er.
Sheris_Card2025-10-12 22:16
I recently saw Hard Boiled at the theater and he’s fantastic! It’s also a bad shit crazy action film, maybe John Woo’s best!
Scmods052025-10-11 22:56
I’ve seen a lot of comments like this about villains, but I think it’s easy to forget that many of these big actors probably only agreed to play them because they thought it would be a one-time gig.
Tiger_jay2025-10-11 23:27
Wish they made a movie where he faces off against Iron Man. Don't know how this would work but damn it would have been sick.
kenghoong2025-10-13 05:52
Do check out Lust, Caution (2017) 😏
Tityfan8082025-10-11 20:07
Him and Namor were great characters with interesting layers to them,
Metalhead_VI2025-10-11 23:21
You mean The Mandarin? Our great orange leader, wait...
yourmomisaheadbanger2025-10-12 05:33
I agree!
SXECrow2025-10-12 21:46
Ironman has been my favorite hero since 1998, this movie, which I loved, made me really sad that Tony never got to fight this Mandarin.
MillyMan1052025-10-11 19:19
I mean the bar wasn't that high since the only other origin movie was eternals.
Smooth-Mix-43572025-10-11 20:38
But also need to consider this is one of the earliest post-Endgame films and was a good start after Covid for MCU.
Live_Answer_38752025-10-11 19:25
It’s one of the best MCU movies period
Creative-Improvement2025-10-11 19:52
My top 4 rewatches :
1) Winter soldier
2) Shang-Chi
3) Infinity Wars
4) Ragnarok
Dragon7Wizard2025-10-11 20:11
This is a great take, and 4 of my top 5 as well. I would put Ragnarok higher, though. No matter how many times I watch that movie it always delivers.
5th is the original Avengers.
Vylan242025-10-11 21:12
My guy are you me? Fire in a spiderman Homecoming or No Way and it's bang on ✌🏻
IsamuAlvaDyson2025-10-11 20:18
It was until the ending
It flew off the rails
Illustrious-Coat35322025-10-11 21:41
Yeah. On rewatch after seeing it at the theater, I don’t even watch the last act.
FreckleException2025-10-12 00:50
It's my favorite Marvel comfort re-watch, second only to Guardians.
TheAgmis2025-10-11 19:33
Uhhh, isn’t it the only origin movie since endgame lmao
JamacianRabbit2025-10-11 19:36
I wouldn't consider Endgame an origin movie
EDIT: /s is apparently needed
Lost_Mongooses2025-10-11 20:06
That's not what they're saying?
JamacianRabbit2025-10-11 20:21
Really didnt think I needed to add an /s
Pokemon_Cyclist2025-10-11 19:37
Tony Leung and Simu Liu were great in this movie. I also love watching them use the Rings in battle.
crawshay2025-10-12 00:06
Leung perfectly tread the line between honorable warrior and lawful evil villain
Meeesh-2025-10-12 07:27
Something about the visuals and sound design of the rings makes it sooo satisfying.
DrogoOmega2025-10-11 19:37
It’s one of the best MCU films imo.
Upbeat_Tension_80772025-10-11 19:39
I'd say Trevor Slattery probably is one of the most hilarious characters in any MCU film, next to Luis
Creative-Improvement2025-10-11 19:53
It also wasn’t overdone, just the right amount.
Lost_Mongooses2025-10-11 20:05
He's my least favorite part 😞
BiscuitsAndMilk02025-10-12 18:47
His story about Planet of the Apes is one of my favourite humourous scenes in the entire MCU.
MisterBumpingston2025-10-13 06:18
It was criminal Luis and the band didn’t return to Quantumania.
DonStockton642025-10-11 19:45
And then we never saw him again. Such a shame they’ve dropped the ball on post endgame characters people actually liked such as Shang Chi and Moon Knight
yourmomisaheadbanger2025-10-12 05:35
I LOVED moon knight and hope to see more of him. Oscar did an amazing job
greenroom6282025-10-12 08:54
I still have hope that the Russo's can recreate this scene.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/s/R5X67Jg7Gp
who_says_poTAHto2025-10-12 15:20
Biggest fumble of the MCU. I know it's not over, but introducing Shang-Chi just to not mention him again for 5 years and lose the momentum they had with him is wild.
TargaryenKnight2025-10-13 03:10
Not disneys fault it’s china’s
Simu spoke out against the Chinese government for abusing its citizens and the Chinese government responded with saying they will boycott any movie simu is a lead in
China is hugeeeee rice box office, especially for stuff like mcu cgi
CasuallyNaturally2025-10-11 19:46
If Simu Liu is reading this thread by any shred of a chance…
Bro MCU did you dirty. You were by far the best hero introduced after end game. Please return if they offer it.
Klangaxx2025-10-11 20:09
I thought he was named as one of the Doomsday actors?
cosmogyrals2025-10-11 20:27
He was!
CasuallyNaturally2025-10-11 21:49
Oh! That’s awesome! I’m trying to not read about doomsday news. Marvel has been ruining each of their movies in the last couple years, so I’m trying to not pay attention to them and the news surrounding the movies.
jayfly129332025-10-11 19:51
I like it but I've seen it too many times in too many different places. This movie was everywhere after it came out on digital.
Apprehensive-Rip90892025-10-11 19:52
This movie has some really cool moments, the rings and the sound they made flying around and during the attacks were really cool. I want to see them back in action so bad.
HellsNels2025-10-11 20:04
Dropped the ball on this character and franchise. By now we should have already had 1-2 new avengers movies and 1-2 more Shang Chi movies. We’re at Doomsday and we don’t even know who’s on Wilson’s Avengers yet. PRESUMABLY Shang Chi’s on it but they’ve squandered all this time and not done any team-building, relationship or character build out on this new squad. They could have harnessed Simu’s charisma like they did Chris Evans they just chickened out on everything.
alenpetak112025-10-11 20:33
This is why Secret Invasion should be Avengers movie. Setup is perfect, MCU is stupid to not recognize it.
isanto1232025-10-11 20:06
Besides Eternals? Have we had an Origin movies post Endgame?
thrawn_is_king2025-10-12 00:02
I guess only Fantastic 4 and kind of Thunderbolts (where each character originated after Endgame except Bucky). Almost all of the other origins stories has been Disney+ shows.
nowayguy2025-10-11 20:14
Sure, kind of. Its just that its the mandalorians origin thats intresting, not shang's.
CoolCly2025-10-11 20:15
I wish they hadn't felt the need to have a CGI extravaganza at the end. The movie would have been better for it if we never saw what was behind that door, they left the voice tempting Wenwu a mystery, and instead it was a resolution between Shang-chi and his father.
It is what it is, I guess.
Sylar_Lives2025-10-12 02:31
I disagree. I love that battle, and grandiose finales are just a part of Marvel. Why do people want to exclude them so badly?
CoolCly2025-10-12 02:52
Because they are added solely because they are "just a part of Marvel" and not because that's what would serve the film. The grandiose finale of Guardians of the Galaxy is great, for instance - but that doesn't mean every movie should have that by default. If it's a small scale family drama - then resolve it as a family drama.
On this one in particular - it's all just gigantic visual mess. I really had no investment in the battle between the dragons or Shang-chi's participation in it above the lake. It was all just a bunch of nonsense with a smorgasbord of crazy lights crashing into eachother. It's about as pointless as of a CGI fuckfest as you can get, and had really no relevance to the plot or characters at all.
Myhtological2025-10-12 03:55
Because the finale should match the tone. And that did not.
alenpetak112025-10-11 20:27
I disagree, it started good and then become a Jackie Chan type movie which avoid any logic + mystical CGI madness 3rd act and pointless post credit scene. Even Eternals do better job.
Shang-Chi as a character it the best thing ever since OG Avengers stuff, but post Endgame MCU behave like post Endgame MCU and he is binned and he waited for Russos to pick up him from trash and revive him. What the hell MCU...
BravoLeader30002025-10-11 23:21
💯
Smooth-Mix-43572025-10-11 20:35
After the Iron Man 3 snub seeing the OG Mandarin was absolutely worth it
Sega_Genitals2025-10-11 20:40
I need a sequel to revolve around a martial arts tournament and include Iron Fist.
BravoLeader30002025-10-11 23:22
Right?! He's the goddamn Master of Kung Fu!!!
TheeDeputy2025-10-11 20:41
Nah the whole final third of the movie killed it from being great to just OK.
UOLZEPHYR2025-10-11 20:46
Shit - am I the only one that watched this and just didn't care much for it?
CheesecakeMage422025-10-11 20:52
The third act / final battle of this movie was ass.
mcmunch202025-10-12 04:36
The final fight really should have just been against his father. Introducing the big dragon was so fkn stupid
drntl2025-10-11 20:58
The Trevor stuff and the CGI dragon fight at the end totally lost me.
baileybrosbedford2025-10-11 21:37
We gotta get a full trilogy for him. One of the best Multiverse Saga movies for sure. And Simu Liu is a fucking bad ass who is also charming... if Doomsday/SW does it right they have Sam and Shang Chi in the Steve/Tony competitive co leader dynamic. Sam trying to negotiate and Shang Chi struggling with the raised to be an assassin aspect of his character.
callmeepee2025-10-11 21:44
Genuinely one of the best movies since Endgame, and massively disappointing we haven’t seen him again.
Prior-Enthusiasm24972025-10-11 21:46
Very low bar
disneylegospider12025-10-11 22:04
Since endgame it’s the ONLY origin movie other than Eternals and Fantastic Four, lol.
thisisjustadad2025-10-11 22:09
It’s such a fun movie.
dreamiitb2025-10-11 22:20
It's shocking that it was the last solo movie that wasn't a sequel or wasn't a team up movie, released by mcu.
jmdv12025-10-11 22:35
I agree
GreenWoodDragon2025-10-11 23:17
Why haven't they followed up on this? It's such a good movie and storyline.
BravoLeader30002025-10-11 23:17
I enjoyed the movie, but was disappointed that it wasn't a kung fu movie, given that Shang-Chi is described in the comics as a Master of Kung Fu. I had been SOOO looking forward to an MCU kung fu flick! The final battle scene felt too similar to so many big end battle scenes that we have seen before.
Signal_Expression7302025-10-11 23:26
I'm so hyped for Brand New Day.
Embarrassed-Back18942025-10-11 23:35
I really wished they kept Tony Leung. He would’ve been a great mentor/character in upcoming Shang chi/Avengers films. Imagine the knowledge and wisdom someone who’s been alive thousands of years can bring.
Basic_Comfortable_942025-10-11 23:40
film was slop af lmao I donot agree
AdSerious18892025-10-12 00:09
I really want to see more of this!
Celestiicaa2025-10-12 00:15
iktr
OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-12 01:07
Is that really a surprise when they hired greats like Aquafina and Ben Kingsley?
Possible-Tip-29142025-10-12 01:13
It's good yeah but still just filler.
GoatDifferent12942025-10-12 01:32
I’m so happy to see the character finally returning in live action. It’s been great to hear Simu and the character pop up in a lot of the animated shows but for a character so unique and powerful, I’m expecting to see a lot from him
Effective-Fondant-162025-10-12 01:49
Sadly in the grand scheme of MCU, Shangchi is entirely skippable. The movie isn’t all that connected to MCU, the final act happened in another dimension/realm, and the main character didn’t even have an arch, he was just forced into the story line and went back to his normal life at the end. As we move towards X-Men, I don’t think the character fits into MCU anymore and will be dropped soon.
miojo2025-10-12 02:04
The last act kinda sucked
itaogrenow2025-10-12 02:19
Best movie after endgame imo
abesapien22025-10-12 02:34
Such a fun movie.
popcorngirl0002025-10-12 02:48
I really liked Shang-Chi. It's a tragedy that Marvel hasn't put a sequel out yet, such a waste of talent!
jommakanmamak2025-10-12 02:55
This movie was amazing, minus out the generic CGI third act
pghcrew2025-10-12 03:38
This is one of my favorite Marvel movies. Had it released before Endgame it would have been huge.
Varooova2025-10-12 03:49
It’s a great movie. The only real bad thing about it is the presence of Awkwafina but other than that solid movie
Myhtological2025-10-12 03:54
Sure till you throw everythin* out for the dweller.
Top_Ad_1042025-10-12 05:01
So good
JoebobJr1172025-10-12 05:07
Origin movies after endgame: Shang Chi, Eternals, Fantastic Four… I mean ok you’re basically just saying it’s better than fantastic four, that’s not a huge statement.
Wataru20012025-10-12 05:09
Shang-Chi was amazing.
Round_Ad73202025-10-12 05:41
Couldn't agree more bro!! 🫂🤌🏻
Potential_Fondant_352025-10-12 05:45
Endgame was not an origin movie by the way
lonevine2025-10-12 06:04
The third act sucked. The rest of the movie was very fun, though.
Itadorijin2025-10-12 06:58
endgame was an origin movie?
MacellumMycelium2025-10-12 07:00
It's an excellenr movie and the haters can get fucked.
Commentaires
So yeah, it's really just Shang Chi and Eternals. Which would make OP correct
F&WS was not a movie.
Fantastic Four as well.
Kang was prob supposed to be the big bad leading to doom.. but things changed.
I wish they had more confidence in the stories they want to tell and the characters they're using.
Phase one marvel followed up with an iron man sequel right away, we had Captain American sequels constantly.
If they wanted us to stayed interested in this world they should’ve kept using the characters that worked instead of reaching back into the box for more toys. Make another Shang Chi soon, introduce the New Hawkeye into the cinematic universe, maybe don’t make a black panther without black panther when you don’t really have a plan, give Sam his own Captain American movie not a tv show in that first round (call it Captain America and the Winter Solider 2 for the call back). Now by the time Thunderbolts comes out you have a Sam Wilson avenger team we actually know and care about and this constraining avengers team of antihero’s searching for redemption.
The first two thirds of the movie were sooo fresh and full of interesting practical stunts. Instead of a CGI army, they should have done a simple hand-to-hand combat sequence for the finale.
I was so glad to hear that ten rings music in Marvel Zombies recently.
I like to think his appearance in MCU has an enormous impact to a lot of Hong Kong-er.
1) Winter soldier
2) Shang-Chi
3) Infinity Wars
4) Ragnarok
5th is the original Avengers.
It flew off the rails
EDIT: /s is apparently needed
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/s/R5X67Jg7Gp
Simu spoke out against the Chinese government for abusing its citizens and the Chinese government responded with saying they will boycott any movie simu is a lead in
China is hugeeeee rice box office, especially for stuff like mcu cgi
Bro MCU did you dirty. You were by far the best hero introduced after end game. Please return if they offer it.
It is what it is, I guess.
On this one in particular - it's all just gigantic visual mess. I really had no investment in the battle between the dragons or Shang-chi's participation in it above the lake. It was all just a bunch of nonsense with a smorgasbord of crazy lights crashing into eachother. It's about as pointless as of a CGI fuckfest as you can get, and had really no relevance to the plot or characters at all.
Shang-Chi as a character it the best thing ever since OG Avengers stuff, but post Endgame MCU behave like post Endgame MCU and he is binned and he waited for Russos to pick up him from trash and revive him. What the hell MCU...