Updated Phase Six Slate

They're fun to make. Marvel Studios hasn't done one since 2022, all the way back when they were still making Kang Dynasty, and I don't think that they'll be doing them anytime soon, because they seem to be focusing on the next 2-3 movies at most.

They are technically a part of the phase, but they didn't do it for What If...? Season 2,

What If Season 1 was in the original Phase 4 lineup and they do have the animated series listed as part of the Multiverse Saga so it can be assumed they are counted as part of the Phases in that case

Oh, sorry about that. I edited an old copy, which I made before Marvel Zombies changed the date.

I think that might be a part of the plot, that almost no one knows about Doom or the threat he poses, aside from the Fantastic Four and the TVA, neither of whom have the resources to combat Doom alone, so they basically need everyone.

Doomsday is going to be a two and a half hour trailer for Secret Wars.

Either they'll rework a lot of stuff to link to Doom/Doomsday, like Shang-Chi's rings or Ms. Marvel's bangles, but in hindsight it'll still be a bit weird since there were 0 hints towards Doom. Kang didn't have many hints either except for what happened in Loki and Ant-Man 3

(They won't)

> I have no idea how they’re going to pull it off.

They're not. We're well beyond the throwing spaghetti at the wall phase.

What do you mean? It's about the multiverse, which has been set up in numerous projects, Doctor Doom isn't the kind of villain you can build up like Thanos (especially since there are no infinity stones this time). I also kind of prefer that we don't know exactly what Doctor Doom's plan is yet

Nothing of impact happened. It’s been a saga of nostalgia bait bullshit with nothing else. Essentially 5 years of filler and they insist on continuing it with the next avengers movies.

Because it’s 4 movies and not a saga.

you do know that this saga started with wandavision right?

That’s why I’m getting justice league vibes from
Doomsday

F4 had nothing to do with Doomsday already. It's time to accept it - Disney has *no idea* what to do with Doctor Doom and is hoping to just wing it as time goes by.

Have they announced 2 more seasons already? Hyped!

Kinda like i said in another thread, maybe Marvel should be looking at getting another director because Destin to attached to direct the movie....but he's doing Wonder Man, he's doing Spider-Man and he was supposed to do Avengers before the whole drama with Majors

In 5 years Iron Man had his whole trilogy and 1 Avengers movie.


In 5 years Shang Chi had his movie. 

The fact that Spider-Man and Avengers are the only movies to get sequels within this entire saga is ridiculous.

In the Infinity Saga, the only movies that *didn't* get sequels were The Incredible Hulk (distribution rights), and then Doctor Strange, Black Panther and Captain Marvel, because they came at the very end of the saga. The first two phases of the Multiverse Saga had *twelve* different one-off movies that won't be getting sequels within the saga.

It's odd there there is no summer release for Marvel in 2027. Gonna cross my fingers

That’s over 2 1/2 years though.

What they are aiming is more to do less content annually, rather than giving priority to one medium over the other

I don't think it's too much really considering it's over the space of about 3 years. I think the shows need to become less crucial for understanding the movies which is where they're going. Back in like 2017 we had 3 movies, and also Agents of SHIELD, Iron Fist, Defenders, Inhumans and Runaways which weren't essential viewing but was great for die hards.

My personal sweet spot would be 2-3 movies a year, 2 live action shows that run yearly for a few seasons (Daredevil/Defenders and maybe something on the supernatural side) and 2 or 3 Animated shows that are different universes or outside of the MCU. At least then casuals aren't bogged down by loads of content and even die hards can drop a couple of the Animated shows if they need a break.

Higher ups at Disney asking them to make less content, plus their recent projects haven't done great in the BO, so i can see them wanting to focus on their big guns instead of risking another potential underperforming movie.

Those times are long gone

Its considered part of the Multiverse Saga much like What If and Marvel Zombies despite being Elseworld stories (then again X-Men 97 is considered part of the saga and that's even less of an MCU project compared to Spidey)

Seriously. They've watered things down so bad with all the mediocre TV shows. They need to end the multiverse arc for the failure it is and move on to something else.

I think it’s cancelled by this point. Which sucks since I love the concept of it and was looking forward to war machine leading it

Three seasons of television does not make a trilogy. Television doesn't work that way.

Not having an avengers movie in phases 4 or 5 is what killed marvel i’m starting to think. Dr strange mvm could have easily set up an avengers level threat but we’re way passed that point.

I did it the same way Marvel Studios does it. Straight line in the middle that says the phase, the projects above/under a vertical line, the date between the vertical line and straight line, and the Disney+ logo under the title card for Disney+ projects.

Heck if all had gone according to plan, we would've gotten the film next month.

Thank you, but the notes don't invalidate it. I mention that a small handful of the title cards are fanmade, and that some of the placements are speculative because there is a small amount of information available on the release dates for those projects. Also, the X-Men '97 one is because when I've done these in the past, people bring up the exclusion of X-Men '97.

I think that would be a huge problem for this subreddit. So many myths and legends they've built up would be challenged, and I think this subreddit would really struggle with the conclusions.

I don’t think it’s a fall but rather like a band on the come up after their first album is a hit. So much thought, life, creativity, effort, tears, and time went into making that first album which became a huge success.

So the question becomes, how do you replicate that success? Do you do more of the same? Do something different and risk losing the fans you just made? Subvert expectations? And even if your second album is brilliant, will people shit on it anyway, like with Weezer’s Blue album and then Pinkerton. Then you have external factors weighing in like a studio messing with your formula or meddling in what you’re creating or telling you what people want so then you try to placate your new masters or have them in your ear and you start changing everything for them instead of your fans.

Your entire process and formula become muddled and your chance of success becomes more of a coin flip and you have an even bigger chance of alienating your fans.

That’s sort of what it feels like where everything beyond Far From Home Is divisive, bad, ok, good, awesome but without the box office success to show for it, etc. I don’t pin it all on Feige because the real passion projects he had that he really forced through were Shang Chi, Eternals, and Blade. Shang Chi was really good with a 3rd act that turned into CGI overdrive and was out of sync with everything else before it. Eyeballs was just…very bland and ok. It is what Solo was for the Star Wars franchise. Not bad, not a total waste of time, just sort of there. And Blade is never getting off the ground.

So many other factors are influenced by others within Disney and you can only fight your masters so much. Add to that that Feige doesn’t have Favreau as much to help guide things along and that same passion for that first “album” wasn’t there for the next and you get what we have now.

I still really like most of these movies, going so far as to say I loved Thunderbolts (Yelena/Florence Pugh really needs to be the Tony Stark glue to hold this all together) and Fantastic Four was excellent, but there is a distinct lack of cohesiveness and too many curveballs throw their way between corporate changes, strikes, covid, production issues, etc. It all lacked the magic, luck, and straightforward direction of the first 3 phases.

One other issue is the introduction of TV. It was very shoehorned in. While I wasn’t the biggest fan of Superman, I still thought it was really good, it just had too much going on in it, but Gunn has the advantage of intelligently integrating tv into his vision of the DCU to where it feels more important and meaningful. Peacemaker is so good even if kids shouldn’t watch it and I’m pretty excited for how it paves the way for DC’s future even if it means not getting a S3 of Peacemaker. I’m looking forward to Lanterns and Lanterns being done True Detective style and having Kyle Chandler as Hal is a really good choice. I’m not sure about Supergirl or Clayface, but Clayface has a really, really impressive team making it. I don’t know if Gunn’s vision will pay off, but he has the advantage of making tv important going in where Feige had to shoehorn it in and just create way too much content.

You can’t create that much content without spoiling and damaging your direction and audience. Just look at Magic the Gathering. They think Universe Beyond is their key to bigger business because people love buying it, except it’s very hollow and cynical and now Spider-Man has flopped and Ninja Turtles looks even worse. Just because you have a good thing doesn’t mean you should beat your audience over the head with it or you’re going to lose that audience and weaken your product at the and time.

The date isn't.

I mean its considered part of the Multiverse Saga (.......but so is X-Men 97)

Besides this is still a version of the MCU Spider-Man, its really a What If episode stretched into his own show

That's not what made a mess of things, it's Feige's choice of characters and the writing he signed off on.

Feige could've easily picked an Agents of Shield revival, or a Peggy Carter revival, or an Adventures of Warriors Three, or Howling Commandos.

Instead Feige picked Echo.

The problem here wasn't Chapek or Disney+, it was all Feige.

Its considered part of the Multiverse Saga (then again so is X-Men 97 and that's even less of an MCU project than the other animated elseworld stories they've done)

Wonder Man won't be essential, its part of Marvel Spotlight which means its a 100% standalone story not relevant to any of the arcs they are doing, but the character can still show up if they want him

Yeah its already out. Marvel didn't bother to promote it as heavily