Help me understand the multiverse events until the end of Loki 2

Huge Marvel fan here and one of those who did not care that much anymore after Endgame. Now I am trying to get back to the MCU. I’m trying to piece together the timeline logic of the MCU without spoilers beyond Loki Season 2 and Quantumania. From what I understand, HWR won the multiversal war, pruned all his Kang variants, and created the TVA to maintain a single Sacred Timeline. That timeline was the only one left, and the TVA kept it stable.

Then Sylvie killed HWR at the end of Loki Season 1, which reopened the multiverse and allowed Kang variants to return. The Council of Kangs came back, banished the Exiled Kang, and that’s the one we meet in Quantumania.

But here’s the confusing part: Janet says she met EK decades ago when she first entered the Quantum Realm. That seems to contradict the idea that Kang variants only re-emerged after Sylvie killed HWR. Loki Season 1 starts during the time of the first Avengers movie (via the time heist in Endgame), so how could Janet have met a Kang variant before that?

Could you help me understand this? Thank you

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TokuWaffle2025-10-10 05:07

Uhhhhhh....

How about he was imprisoned there during the first multiverse war, and it took so long for him to be free that the Kang's returned?

Uncanny_Doom2025-10-10 05:08

The Citadel at the End of Time exists outside the normal flow of time so Sylvie killing HWR effectively branches the timeline past, present, and future basically making the multiverse always having existed, to my understanding. I could be wrong but that made sense to me.

RihoSucks2025-10-10 05:30

I believe this is the correct interpretation.

icorrectpettydetails2025-10-10 05:12

You're thinking about time from a completely linear perspective. The TVA were pruning branched timelines from every point in history, and once they stopped doing that it was as if they never had. Someone within the MCU wouldn't notice any difference between pre or post HWR, because from their point of view it had always been that way.

eagc72025-10-10 06:24

You are looking at things from a linear perspective, this is something that occurs outside of time and we have to look at it from that perspective.

From the point of view of people like janet there is not a before the multiverse and after the multiverse.

Visible_Safe_89012025-10-10 07:34

>HWR won the multiversal war

Yes.

>pruned all his Kang variants,

Wrong. He ended the multiversal war. That's it.

>and created the TVA to maintain a single Sacred Timeline.That timeline was the only one left, and the TVA kept it stable.

Again, wrong. The sacred timeline wasn't singular. It was perceived as singular bcz all the timelines in it followed a baseline.

>Then Sylvie killed HWR at the end of Loki Season 1, which reopened the multiverse and allowed Kang variants to return. The Council of Kangs came back, banished the Exiled Kang, and that’s the one we meet in Quantumania.

It didn't "reopen" the multiverse, it exposed the sacred timeline to the greater Multiverse. The council of kangs have always existed.

>Janet says she met EK decades ago when she first entered the Quantum Realm. That seems to contradict the idea that Kang variants only re-emerged after Sylvie killed HWR. Loki Season 1 starts during the time of the first Avengers movie (via the time heist in Endgame), so how could Janet have met a Kang variant before that?

The events of Loki are irrelevant here. Ant-Man 3 still took place when the loom was in place.

TrenzelWashington2025-10-13 08:37

Is that communicated anywhere in the series or is it something you just decided?

First time I'm ever hearing this theory and it's a very stupid one given that the TVAs whole thing is pruning.

Visible_Safe_89012025-10-13 10:01

The director of Loki s1(Kate Herron) has mentioned about the multi-tree model in her one of her interviews. The writer of Loki s1 & MoM (michael Waldron) also supports the multi-tree model & has said that travelers can jump between different timelines that originate from a single universe, but jumping between entirely separate universes is a separate, and much rarer, ability. That's why America Chavez was so important in the movie. The producer of MoM Richie Palmer has also said that there’s a slight(origin points) difference between alternate timelines and alternate realities. The producer of x-men 97 has also said that his show doesn't take place in "MCU'S TREE". So,no. It's not something that I created or designed or decided or whatever. This "theory" has existed since long before i started to interact with this wretched fandom. They even gave visual cues in the show, in the opening of s1 ep6, we literally exit through an enitre separate universe & enter the sacred timeline. In the same ep, hwr, in his explanation, shows "stacked universes" caused by eniterly different big bangs. In Quantumania, Kang demonstrates how 2 separate universes(caused by separate big bangs) collide & cause incursions. The concept of incursions doesn't work in single tree model bcz timelines in Loki's tree are literally physically intertwined with each other. In what if, watcher himself places a variant of Natasha romanoff in a parralel timeline where avengers were killed by a psycho hank pym. If Loki's tree is all there is then it should've collapsed a long ago.

DevereuxSchoepflin2025-10-10 08:15

Janet meeting EK decades ago just means that variant existed somewhere in the multiverse, even if the Sacred Timeline suppressed most Kangs. Sylvie killing HWR reopened branching timelines, making Kangs more active and noticeable, but some variants could have existed “off the grid” before that.

Turbulent-Spirit-5682025-10-10 08:15

He Who Remains sees time as a loop not linear. This is also the same for the TVA and seemingly the Council of Kangs. They have exist outside of time altogether and see it as a loop so the Council of Kangs were able to send The Exiled One to any point in time. Plus, you've also got to remember from endgame that time in the quantum realm is different: 1 year on Earth = 1 hour in the Quantum Realm. So Janet got trapped 30 years ago that means she was only in their for 30 hours and met The Exiled One who betrayed her

No_Imagination_24902025-10-10 09:20

The events of Loki occur outside of the multiverse and outside of time altogether. So whenever something happens in Loki that changes the multiverse, such as the death of HWR, from the persective of 616 or any other universe it's as if it were always the case.

a_phantom_limb2025-10-10 11:24

There isn't really a "before" or "after" the events of *Loki*. The Time Variance Authority exists outside of the normal flow of time as we understand it. Any change to the TVA simultaneously affects the entire past, present, and future of all realities.

What that really means for the story of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is that the Multiverse has both always been pruned into the Sacred Timeline (by He Who Remains) and has always freely existed (thanks to Loki). It's both the case that Kang variants had been stopped from developing throughout all of time by He Who Remains in order to prevent another Multiversal War *and* that infinite Kangs had been allowed to spring up in the infinitely branching universes by Loki.

As complicated as that is, it's also intuitive in its own way. All of the pre-MCU Marvel movie universes obviously existed in some capacity, *because we already saw those movies*.

So it's not strange for Kang the Conqueror to have been banished to the Quantum Realm during the years that Janet was trapped there, because that's not really *before* there was a Multiverse full of other Kangs that could banish him.

Hydramy2025-10-11 00:52

"You're not thinking fourth dimensionally"

Or alternatively:

"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff."

Cashneto2025-10-11 03:55

Once you realize time isn't linear, it all makes sense.