The lunchbox alone makes me wonder, will the show explore in a meta nature the reactions to POC actors being cast as traditionally white characters?
tosh_pt_22025-10-10 04:27
Definitely seems like it - if that is the case and they do it well it could be a really cool theme to explore.
rayden-shou2025-10-10 04:45
It would be really fucking cool.
dungeonmaster772025-10-10 05:18
lol at if they do it well. This is a product of the early 2020s. It’ll most definitely insist upon itself.
CeruleanEidolon2025-10-10 18:23
And even if it doesn't, thousands of internet chucklefucks who don't know what they're talking about will say it does regardless.
dungeonmaster772025-10-10 20:15
Unfortunately, ruining the validity of any real criticism.
WATCHMERISE2025-10-10 04:29
Wonder Man being an in-universe TV show that Simon Williams is being cast in the reboot for.. seems like something they would do, especially after She-Hulk.
Super-Visor2025-10-10 04:31
I’d love She-Hulk to have a cameo where she tells the viewers to be ready to unsubscribe from Disney+ again when the in-universe studio tries to cancel Simon Williams, and he hires Jen for a wrongful termination suit.
rayden-shou2025-10-10 04:47
Remember the argument of Michael B. Jordan about Black Superman?
Seems to be like the concept of the show.
Doucheswithfarts2025-10-10 14:36
Blue Marvel. Dude needs to be n the MCU.
Heisenburgo2025-10-10 15:14
Wasn't that Black Superman movie gonna be about a black Clark Kent growing up in Kansas with most other things unchanged from the regular Superman mythos aside from that? It would have been a missed opportunity if you ask me considering the President Superman version was right there! I'd watch that movie
SmartPilot80942025-10-10 05:16
It also makes me wonder
Antrikshy2025-10-10 08:01
She-Hulk 2, love to see it!
Upset_Assumption96102025-10-10 04:20
I kinda thought...might be wrong...but that Wonderman..in the MCU....was going to be of a darker complexion?
tosh_pt_22025-10-10 04:27
The actor playing wonder man is black, yeah. In universe wonderman is himself an actor, so I'm guessing this will dive into the modern day politics of race swapping characters (the black MCU wonderman played by Yahya Abdul-Maheen II will be taking on the acting role of this white version of wonderman that looks like it's from the 70s or so).
Upset_Assumption96102025-10-10 04:29
Yep, I know :) Hoping they address that and the whole Mandarin Ben thing also, should be fun to watch
tosh_pt_22025-10-10 04:30
Good call there! Could be a really cool show if they pull it off.
Tiddd2025-10-10 06:36
Or maybe, just maybe, we could normalize *not* addressing someone’s race just because it differs from the source material
Tiddd2025-10-10 06:36
Or maybe, just maybe, we could normalize *not* addressing someone’s race just because it differs from the source material
owlutopia2025-10-10 04:49
Ohh that sounds cool actually then
SimonShepherd2025-10-10 05:02
I think maybe "Wonder Man" is a fictional movie character in-universe and Simon Williams portrayed by Yahya Abdul-Maheen II by whatever reason eventually took that codename.
robodrew2025-10-10 06:46
That's the synopsis yeah. He takes on the role of Wonder Man in the in-universe TV show of the same name, and somehow ends up gaining actual powers. I don't know how meta they plan to go with regards to if he gains powers that are the same as his character. I think that would be fun, maybe something happens on set and he uses his powers and no one realizes because they think it's just a special effect.
npete2025-10-10 08:53
Sounds a little needlessly complicated. Just cast a person of color.
VanilleKoekje2025-10-10 09:17
Or just make a show about a character of color
_Levitated_Shield_2025-10-10 09:24
Complicated? 'Actor gains powers while playing a superhero' seems very easy to understand.
robodrew2025-10-10 16:11
Huh? They did, what are you talking about.
navjot942025-10-10 21:46
My baseless theory (other than IronHeart coming out earlier this year) is that it’s Mephisto that gives Simon what he most desires. He gets the roles and the powers as a bonus. The consequences of the deal with the devil will make for 6 episodes of drama.
Would be an easy explanation for why he has the same the powers as his fictional counterpart (I’m at least assuming he does have or get the powers in this series, it’s not confirmed yet)
npete2025-10-10 21:52
No offense but I'm not a huge fan of that, but I do agree that it would be an easy way for them to explain it and it would mirror what happened in Ironheart.
SWPrequelFan815662025-10-12 04:08
It genuinely frustrates me that Marvel is apparently unable to realize how much of the comics' worldbuilding they've dismantled in their adaptation that we have to resort to *demon magic* to get Simon his powers. Baron Zemo is firmly anti-superhuman in the MCU, so there'd be no reason for him to experiment on Simon; MODOK and AIM (which is the other option presented by EMH) are either a joke or strangled in their crib.
I say this because while I'm not sure Mephisto will play a part in it, I'm resigned to admit it's far more likely that Simon gets his powers from magic than any kind of ionic-energy experiment.
SoloRemy2025-10-10 13:54
There was a deleted scene in GOtG 3 that had Nathan Fillion as Wonder Man on a movie poster like the Arkon cameo. Maybe that’s how they’ll play it?
SimonShepherd2025-10-10 14:02
That's Nathan Fillion as Simon Williams playinng Arkon though. So probably not canon now since we have a canon Simon.
npete2025-10-10 21:52
Ah, interesting. I need to go back and watch that movie again and more closely!
Big_Pattern_28642025-10-10 06:24
Oh boy, Disney is going to lecture us about how we should perceive the relationship between TV shows that do this and the audience. that'll be fun.
JyconX2025-10-10 07:11
Well, I don't see anything wrong with some lecturing.
CeruleanEidolon2025-10-10 18:20
Some people need that lecture.
Banana4scales2025-10-10 04:46
You can’t just say that…
Upset_Assumption96102025-10-10 04:47
Since the mods didn't delete it, it appears that I can! also, it's all true, so there is that.
Banana4scales2025-10-10 05:48
It’s a joke dude. Have you never seen Mean Girls?
SimonShepherd2025-10-10 05:00
My first reaction is that there is a "Wonder Man" movie in-universe that is unrelated to Simon Williams himself, and he simply takes the codename from that movie or something.
Upset_Assumption96102025-10-10 05:03
Not sure how it's gonna play especially leading into Doomsday. Hoping it's not just a one off type thing and the series has a bigger role in next couple years of movies, but we'll see. Looking forward to it regardless
SimonShepherd2025-10-10 05:04
I would rather have a good self-contained story for the most part.
Upset_Assumption96102025-10-10 05:06
Typically I'd agree, but with the MCU I want the story comic book style. Had to collect all the surrounding books to get the whole story.
Antrikshy2025-10-10 07:59
IIRC it's supposed to be a Marvel Spotlight show (aka independent story from the get go) similar to Echo.
Doucheswithfarts2025-10-10 14:33
>… similar to Echo.
So it’s going to suck? FML
Heisenburgo2025-10-10 15:11
> So it’s going to suck?
Well, it IS a Disney Plus Marvel show after all, there always was like, a 50% chance of it sucking from the get-go.
Doucheswithfarts2025-10-10 16:15
Yeah sorry I guess I’m becoming cynical. It does t have to be this way. An Isaiah Bradley movie could be Amazing. The Invaders - The original human Torch + Cap and Namor set in the 1940’s in black and white, Hercules, Giant Man, Beta Ray Bill, a Silver Surfer solo series… there’s SO much material, how do they keep fucking it up?
sailorprimus2025-10-11 10:34
…what? None of that is relevant to a story you haven’t even watched yet.
Doucheswithfarts2025-10-12 16:10
It’s relevant because they’re producing shows about unliked characters with no fans when they have tons of better options.
CeruleanEidolon2025-10-10 18:22
Echo was honestly pretty great aside from the rushed ending.
CeruleanEidolon2025-10-10 18:21
It's a "Marvel Spotlight", isn't it? They basically said going forward those are essentially one-offs and won't play into the larger MCU, at least not the movie side of it.
robodrew2025-10-10 06:48
He's playing an actor who gets the lead role in the in-universe TV show called "Wonder Man" and somehow will end up gaining actual superpowers. Supposedly it's going to be really meta. I think it sounds like a lot of fun.
john_weiss2025-10-10 13:02
Yeah i thought he was the dude that played Black Manta and Dr Manhattan too.
Edit: Actor, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II
Stoic_Ravenclaw2025-10-11 17:23
In the MCU universe there was a wonder man movie in the 80s and in the show it's being remade with a black guy playing wonderman. It's going to touch on topics like super hero fatigue and 'race swapping'.
I'm really looking forward to it now, I think it's going to be pretty interesting, but i expect the usual crowd to go absolutely fcking nuts.
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Tuskin382025-10-10 04:24
No it doesn't.
Tuskin382025-10-10 04:24
Doesn't look like AI
matito292025-10-10 04:29
That’s just what 70s and 80s lunchbox art looked like.
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CeruleanEidolon2025-10-10 18:24
What does this even mean anymore?
HankBuffalo2025-10-10 04:29
Sure seems like it
AgentP202025-10-10 04:31
Not really.
isaidwhatisaidok2025-10-10 04:38
My first thought was AI but you can’t really say for sure without a closer look
Ordinary-leaker-16882025-10-10 04:39
nope the artstyle is like that
QuirkyKlyborg2025-10-10 05:38
I'm with you. I think it's AI.
Mijder2025-10-10 05:47
No, I think you’re onto something.
NaturalOk21632025-10-10 05:48
I think it’s AI.
sortalikeachinchilla2025-10-10 07:46
Does it matter if it was?
_Levitated_Shield_2025-10-10 09:27
Old-school lunch boxes always had that vintage art. Very common.
RodrigoBravo2025-10-10 15:20
Totally looks like 70s art trained AI.
RedXerzk2025-10-10 04:23
Wouldn’t be the first time Yahya portrayed a White man who had an in-universe explanation
for getting adapted into a Black man in a miniseries based on a comic book.
matito292025-10-10 04:29
Hopefully he keeps his pants on this time.
HerRoyalRedness2025-10-10 04:52
Speak for yourself
Curiouso_Giorgio2025-10-10 04:52
Yeah, I remember there was a big anti-woke outcry when they race swapped White Manta for the Aquaman film.
we_back_up2025-10-10 06:14
He was great in that role too, I never understood the hate
robodrew2025-10-10 06:49
HBO's Watchmen was so surprisingly good.
Antrikshy2025-10-10 08:01
Total banger show, and partly because of the score by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross.
My only criticism is that it's not obvious without doing your own research that it's a sequel to the movie, and several elements will go over your head if you don't watch them in order.
robodrew2025-10-10 08:18
It's technically a sequel to the comic rather than the movie!
Neat-Amount-77272025-10-10 09:10
What are other media who did that?
I can only think of Wanted: Weapons of Fate which is a videogame of the movie Wanted but happening just after the end of the movie and pretty much turning it into a more similar world of the comics, and Doctor Sleep which is a movie sequel of the movie Shining but actually works more like a continuation of the book.
whensmahvelFGC2025-10-10 09:46
Which will leave you even more confused if you watch the movie
robodrew2025-10-10 16:12
I saw the movie in the theater years ago and watched it more times since then, and after first seeing it I also went and read the graphic novel. It wasn't confusing for me. I saw the squid and said "oh this is from the comic."
Bobjoejj2025-10-10 08:32
Arguably much more a sequel to the comic, since the film doesn’t actually have the giant squid
Arielrbr2025-10-10 04:27
I’m guessing so Wonder-Man is a character in-universe that Simon Williams is playing when he get real powers
shreyansamin2025-10-10 04:34
Does that mean the show is gonna explore race swapping? Cause that'd be interesting
The_Great_Man_Potato2025-10-10 06:02
It would be, but I’d be surprised if Disney had the balls honestly. Def seems to be what it’s suggesting though so 🤷♂️
Mizerous2025-10-10 14:23
Inb4 angry youtube vids rant about it
corner2025-10-10 05:36
Is that Tom Brady?
urlach3r2025-10-10 05:48
I was thinking Tom Eastwood, or maybe Clint Cruise.
JewTheKid2025-10-10 05:57
Dang. Beat me to it. Hahahaah
Nickelnuts2025-10-10 05:45
That's just Cam Skattebo
JewTheKid2025-10-10 05:56
Tom Brady?
willardgeneharris2025-10-10 06:15
I’m excited for this show but I do feel it’s such a weird time to release it given where we are in the universe.
KnightofWhen2025-10-10 06:41
This has been finished filming for like 3 years. Bad sign this is all they’ll show.
TrueLegateDamar2025-10-10 09:01
Feels like another Ironheart where it was clearly made for a different time and now just want off the shelf before it ages even worse.
CaptHayfever2025-10-10 09:24
They didn't even film it until after their development overhaul. I'm more confused by the other guy saying "bad sign this is all they'll show", when the Marvel Television panel doesn't even happen until Saturday.
rabid_J2025-10-10 14:26
Wrapped production April 2024 so 18 months right now but 20 months by the time it comes out.
1OptimisticPrime2025-10-10 13:09
Tom Brady?
SethNex2025-10-10 13:28
My best guess is that in-universe, there was a Wonder Man movie, or TV series in like the 80s (or 90s), with this actor on the lunchbox as the lead actor. And now they are making a remake of it, with Simon Williams playing the character.
PiginthePen2025-10-10 13:33
That’s Tom Brady
RooMan72232025-10-10 14:43
Is this gonna be a meta show that deals with race swapping? Intriguing idea but coming from Disney I don’t have high hopes
mofoyomama2025-10-10 15:19
Tom Brady in the mcu confirmed
spilledmilkbro2025-10-10 16:15
Soooo, I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that a major aspect of this story will be them calling out the grifters, like Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, Geeks and Gamers, etc. God, that's going to drive them nuts, and I'm absolutely looking forward to it.
Big_Can_76452025-10-10 23:12
Oh Drinker and his acolytes are gong to spin this into MAGA grifter gold.
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Seems to be like the concept of the show.
Would be an easy explanation for why he has the same the powers as his fictional counterpart (I’m at least assuming he does have or get the powers in this series, it’s not confirmed yet)
I say this because while I'm not sure Mephisto will play a part in it, I'm resigned to admit it's far more likely that Simon gets his powers from magic than any kind of ionic-energy experiment.
So it’s going to suck? FML
Well, it IS a Disney Plus Marvel show after all, there always was like, a 50% chance of it sucking from the get-go.
Edit: Actor, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II
I'm really looking forward to it now, I think it's going to be pretty interesting, but i expect the usual crowd to go absolutely fcking nuts.
for getting adapted into a Black man in a miniseries based on a comic book.
My only criticism is that it's not obvious without doing your own research that it's a sequel to the movie, and several elements will go over your head if you don't watch them in order.
I can only think of Wanted: Weapons of Fate which is a videogame of the movie Wanted but happening just after the end of the movie and pretty much turning it into a more similar world of the comics, and Doctor Sleep which is a movie sequel of the movie Shining but actually works more like a continuation of the book.