The more I think about it, the more I feel this shot would have been a pretty good conclusion to Scott Lang's story.

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Kwilly4622025-10-09 20:00

Honestly agree. There's nothing about Ant Man 3 that made me go, "Yeah, this is a necessity inclusion to this character's journey."

Heck, Ant Man 3 was barely about Scott. Janet was driving the plot.

PretzelMan962025-10-09 20:20

Ant Man 3 felt like it was mainly being used as the vehicle for bringing the Kang variants in. Except that they completely dropped the ball on Kang.

PurpleScientist43122025-10-09 20:21

I mean…kang dropped the ball on kang

PretzelMan962025-10-09 20:23

Marvel dropped the ball on Kang.

Then Kang dropped a whole piano on Kang like how you see in cartoons.

HumanChicken2025-10-09 20:54

Complete with piano key teeth.

JSB1992025-10-09 22:38

Jerry has been banging on those teeth for millennia at this point

flying_fox862025-10-09 20:51

Speaking of Ant-Man 3, what's the deal with that scene at the end with all the Kang variants in an arena? Why were they screeching like a bunch of excited chimpansees?

sbubuyl2025-10-09 21:12

It was mirroring a panel from the comics I think

GarySoneji2025-10-09 21:32

They were being rallied by the big three for their upcoming dynasty.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-09 21:20

They did not drop the ball on Kang whatsoever. Shit take. He was magnificent in every scene he appeared in.

alexjf562025-10-09 21:31

He was okay. Better in Loki than Quantumania

Schifosamente2025-10-09 21:36

Man, that post-credits scene would’ve been great if they hadn’t spoken. The weird accents threw me off so badly.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-09 21:52

Sure the Kang variants that cameoed weren’t the best. But the Kang that was once victor timely, that they imprisoned, that Scott delayed, and that eventually won the multiversal war and ruled the tva, was the fucking shit.

Schifosamente2025-10-09 22:52

I thought Victor Timely was a failsafe variant of He Who Remains. I might’ve gotten that wrong.

But yeah, I agree both of them were great.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-09 23:55

I think victor timely is supposed to become hhr but loki freed him of that fate by taking his place. But I could be wrong

alex4942025-10-10 11:37

Is it not said that the main Kang is from the future like the 31st Century? Or that most of them discover interdimensional travel in the future at around the same time and as a result run into one another?

OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-10 16:05

True true. So how did timely come about tho then

alex4942025-10-10 16:34

I think HWR probably abducted a younger version of himself and put him in that time period as a contingency, since him getting killed led Loki to Timely which eventually brought him back to face HWR again. Or he's just a variant that was born earlier. HWR talks about himself as if he's from the future though.

Antrikshy2025-10-10 08:05

They definitely did not. The actor did.

The movie further reinforced (after Loki) that you can beat him all you want, there's no stopping him.

Plus, he and his tech looked spectacular. I wish things hadn't gone this way.

Vylan242025-10-12 01:31

I'm not sure why they didn't recast Kang, could have easily been explained away as changing form or some jargon. Or just not even bring it up and plow on

Antrikshy2025-10-12 02:25

I will never understand this. Multiversal variants don't even have to look the same. It was so easy!

According_Desk_33152025-10-15 16:44

I think they saw the general decline in interest and took the opportunity to change direction. Clearly they could have replaced him if they wanted to.

Funmachine2025-10-09 20:21

Ant Man & The Wasp 2

Hyxenflay7737_45652025-10-09 20:23

The Wasp & Kang.

Bulletsoul782025-10-09 21:31

Kang & The Wasp actually sounds like it works

demosthenes982025-10-10 00:09

I wanted it to be called *Ant-Man, the Wasp, and Stature.*

BenderIsGreatBendr2025-10-09 20:33

Agreed. I'm a movie nerd and when I talk to people about why AM3 was bad that is one of the main points: it had to be so much that it couldn't really be an Ant Man movie.

AM1: A fun movie. Origin story, good ensemble supporting cast, relatively small stakes (although they ratcheted it up quite a bit as the movie went on), and a fun ride.

AM2: Also a fun movie, but the screentime starts to split. It's Ant Man *and the Wasp*, so the Wasp is getting some screentime. They also had to fold Janet's story in and expand on the previously mentioned quantum realm. Still they pulled it off: a great return performance from the AM1 ensemble supporting cast: Michael Douglas, Michael Pena, David Dasmalchian, and T.I plus the addition of Walter Goggin, Randall Park, and Laurence Fishbourne made for an entertaining, funny, and heartfelt film. Critically it is as well-received as AM1, however the audience score does slip a few percentage. It is mostly self-contained (aside from the CW crossover references) and has a post-scene to set up End Game.

AM3: It needed to be an Ant Man movie. It needed to be a The Wasp Movie. It needed to be a launching pad for Cassie Lang's Ant Girl and Young Avengers. It needed to ret-con Janet's time in the Quantum realm pretty radically from the ending of AM2. It needed to be a multiverse movie that introducted the big-bad of the entire phase: Kang (for movie-goers who didn't watch Loki), and to top it all off they decided it needed to be a Star Wars (for who knows what reason) with the Quantum realm rebellion. All of this left very little space for Ant Man within an AM movie.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-09 21:20

That is a wild take!

Throughout Scott’s superhero career, he’s been an also-ran; second-fiddle; comedic relief. He’s never had the chance to make a sacrifice play. The fate of everything never rested of HIS shoulders. He’s the little guy.

How fitting that on the day the entire multiverse was at stake, when the avenger’s arch-enemy finally came knocking, there was only Scott to stand against him. He faced stakes Tony Stark never dreamed of, that Thor never could…HIM…ANT-MAN…had to beat KANG THE CONQUERER!! And he did! He became an Avenger that day ong. He was the hero. THE hero.

What a perfect way to end a trilogy about the little guy with small stake stories.

tgillet12025-10-09 23:11

I thought that element of the movie mostly worked, but it was so diminished by almost everything else.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-10 00:04

You one of those goons that’s in denial of MODOK being a cinematic masterpiece? Cos I don’t get those folks either. You couldn’t have asked for a better adaptation of a goofy character like MODOK than both including him (in hilarious fashion) and tying up a loose end by making him Darren Cross

tgillet12025-10-10 00:47

MODOK was ok. The concept of using Cross, including his character arc, was good and he was amusing, but the character didn’t really do anything significant to make the movie better. And the character arc wasn’t particularly well executed. Not bad, but I didn’t really find it convincing.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-10 16:06

So what parts did you not like then

tgillet12025-10-10 16:27

The story structure, pacing, and writing were all disappointing. There were plenty of good elements but the bad elements added up and overwhelmed my experience. Janet not explaining anything to the rest of them, the scene with Bill Murray was utterly pointless, the resistance group was interesting but ultimately felt underdeveloped and something from a children’s cartoon. Kang’s suit and weapons were so powerful and yet somehow he failed to kill an inexperienced kid right in front of him or Scott who at least had experience but still would have been no match without Kang being more substantially handicapped. That scene might have been believable if not for everything else that had happened. And then taking the easy way out with the final fist fight was a disappointment and felt unearned.

Also better writing would have given us more insight into Kang’s personality in terms of his capacity for apparent kindness and desire to work together with Janet and his ruthlessness. It’s certainly a believable personality but the script could have shown us more of a pivot point between the aspects to his personality which really is the most interesting aspect of the character to me.

Also Hank being there but being a non factor until the deus ex machina of the advanced ant civilization comes to save them all - I know it was foreshadowed which is better than not, but it was still silly and disconnected from the plot.

Hope having barely a role at all. The way Cassie was written - the concept of her being disappointed in her dad not doing anything to be a hero anymore was a good one, but she felt out of touch and just mean to him in an unearned way. That aspect could have worked with better writing and directing.

Those are the things that jumped to mind and it’s been a few years since I saw it in theaters.

Mizerous2025-10-10 14:26

Except Kang wasn't and now isn't a great threat just a bad guy of the week

OnlinePosterPerson2025-10-10 16:06

What are you talking about? He is the arch enemy of the avengers. One of two villains who is the teams enemy specifically. He is THE big bad

Mizerous2025-10-10 16:16

In the comics the film universe is different

SeekerVash2025-10-09 22:21

I think of the movie synopsis as "Three strong independent women and the two male idiots they are burdened with". From the opening minutes that theme is set.

It really wasn't about Scott at all.

ContentAssumption2042025-10-09 22:28

I honestly preferred the Nando V Movies Antman 3 pitch to the plot they ended up going with.

CaptHayfever2025-10-09 23:08

Janet *would* have driven the plot, if she had bothered *telling the others what was going on*.

discountdoppelganger2025-10-10 09:07

I liked visiting the quantum realm but it didn't need to be the whole movie

Gasparde2025-10-10 09:58

Janet wasn't driving the plot, Janet kept absolutely dragging everyone through the first hour of the movie (by not telling anyone anything and just having everyone follow her around no questions asked) because none of our characters had *any* relation to anything that was going on.

Building your entire movie upon someone not giving others integral information despite everyone clearly knowing it's important information yet not pressing anyone on getting said integral information and instead just going for a silent hike... what a movie. Like, someone looked at that script, thought it was good and greenlit it.

Kwilly4622025-10-10 09:59

"Janet wasn't driving the plot, Janet kept absolutely dragging everyone through the first hour of the movie (by not telling anyone anything and just having everyone follow her around no questions asked) because none of our characters had *any* relation to anything that was going on."

In other words... She was driving the plot. I didn't say it was a good one lol

SubhasTheJanitor2025-10-09 20:11

You could say that for most of the characters in Endgame

Live_Angle46212025-10-09 22:29

Not most. I think it would have been strange for Thor, Wanda, Peter Parker, Guardians and Carol (since we only knew her brainwashed and in past) just end their journey there. Even Scott kind of needed to adjust to his daughter being older, not that he needed his own third film.

Dell0c02025-10-09 20:13

Quantumania should have never been made.

ViralGameover2025-10-09 20:16

The general idea for Quantumania had a lot of potential. Scott has saved the universe so he gets lazy and stops being a hero.

KrifeH2025-10-09 23:15

Yea it was not entertaining watching Scott get triple teamed by his family framing him as a lazy narcissist

Just a weird direction to go, hopefully a remnant of early 2020s writing

HarambeWest20202025-10-09 20:20

If Quantumania was reduced to Janet coming back, Stature getting a suit, and the post-credits scene, I think that’d be pretty alright

robertluke2025-10-09 20:21

Conclusion for everybody’s story.

MaggiPower2025-10-09 20:37

This. Though Scarlet Witch arguably hadn’t finished her story yet.

JyconX2025-10-09 20:28

Quantumania was obviously done for two reasons:

1. Marvel wanted him to have a trilogy, just like they initially planned with each hero.
2. And because they still wanted Scott to be set up for having a role even after that in the Avengers films of the Multiverse Saga itself.

Im_At_Work_Damnit2025-10-09 23:00

I think the bigger reason for the movie was to give a platform for Kang and the Multiverse stuff to jump off from (that wasn't a TV show format).

DangleberryFortune2025-10-10 11:53

\> Marvel wanted him to have a trilogy, just like they initially planned with each hero.

Nando V movies made a[ perfect movie pitch ](https://youtu.be/debIQWInG-Y?si=WLZiOFFFXwrQPvfn)for antman 3. I know it's unrealistic to use a fan script but I wish they'd used this. It would've set up AIM.

JyconX2025-10-10 13:24

AIM has already been used in the MCU. You only want it back, because you want comic-accurate version so badly?

dudeimlame2025-10-09 20:30

Ditching everything that made the first two Ant Man movies so good was a big mistakes. It should’ve been a street level movie

hercarmstrong2025-10-09 20:43

The B-plot should have been Wasp on Earth with Luis and her father trying to get everyone back.

leftlanecop2025-10-09 22:57

They should have stayed on earth with the entire X-Con crew. They had great chemistry. Could have brought Kang to earth via the quantum tunnel and send him back into oblivion.

Tenabrus2025-10-10 08:41

I really wished Luis was in the movie but then I was made aware of some of the stuff that the actor's involved with and... yikes. In a way I see why they chose not to bring him back as much as it sucks as the character felt like such a pillar of the movies.

Blue_Lego_Astronaut2025-10-10 09:27

What did he do?

Tenabrus2025-10-10 09:58

him and his wife are devout scientologists and also supported a convicted rapist

Skully_TheThird2025-10-11 18:57

😯

Jet-Let46062025-10-09 21:22

They could have scaled after Endgame.

Scott getting a big ego after EG only to find himself face-to-face with an actual Avengers level threat who is the next big bad no less, is honestly a great hook.

JBTriple2025-10-09 23:10

Should have done Mr. Gryphon instead of full-on Kang the Conqueror.

Trvr_MKA2025-10-10 01:16

AIM and MODOK trying to bring Kang in from the Quantum Realm. Scott needs to steal/sabotage them. AIM just has better security tech than Pym Tech did

LoreMaster002025-10-10 04:28

fuck, that would have been so good!

Gasparde2025-10-10 09:53

To ditch Luis, or in general just the entire supporting cast of the first 2 movies, was certainly a choice that someone certainly made.

MrJoyless2025-10-13 03:43

It's hard to bring back an actor that vocally supports Danny Masterson...

TheRealReader12025-10-10 23:12

They went like: "What if we make an Ant Man movie about any other bullshit but an Ant Man story"

PlatoDrago2025-10-11 16:07

I think what would’ve been great is if they had Kang and his massive stakes but still kept it street level, showing how despite Ant Man and the Wasps lack of raw power most of the time, they can still impact massive change, even when they’re tiny. Also, yes have them beat Kang but not in a 1 on 1 fight but rather disrupting his plans by a small action.

fineilladdanumber92025-10-14 01:24

But then how could the goo character man ask how many holes he has…?

According_Desk_33152025-10-15 16:37

Yep the second you go into the Quantum Realm and you can no longer have giant thomas the tank engines. At least there was that cool shot of giant ant man holding back the gate. Quantumania should have been more about Hank Pym and he should have been killed by Kang. Pym wasn’t even supposed to shrink anymore anyways this is why he recruited Scott in the first place. Could’ve been about two time traveling geniuses destroying each other in the quantum realm but instead we got redemption for one of the better acted villians in the whole MCU. Darren was far more savage than MODOK

Franklo2025-10-09 20:36

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RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-09 21:22

Cassie, the first recast.

Powersoutdotcom2025-10-09 20:37

For me, it was. Everything after the first quantumania trailer didn't happen, actually.

Grayx_28872025-10-09 20:41

Tell me about it. I bet we all could wish that Ant-Man 3 never happened or if it was considered non-cannon to the 616 universe.

DarhkBlu2025-10-09 20:43

I still don't like how they just casually recast Cassie for Ant-Man 3,Like no shade on the actress that they cast but that was seriously rude.

SeekerVash2025-10-09 22:25

We don't know what happened there. The original may have refused to sign for 10 years and be held to the physical standards the contract would've carried.

That wasn't a trivial thing, a lot of people her age would walk away from a contract that says you have to weigh between 100-120, have x% body fat, be available for 6 movies over 10 years, and you only get 250k per movie.

Live_Angle46212025-10-09 22:31

The Endgame actress wasn’t even informed she was recast. She was treated like an extra. It’s typical thing to do for Hollywood when role is small. But rude thing not to even inform her or let her have a change to audition. It was just saving money to have lesser known actress to be there for Endgame and then cast someone with more experience when it came to a lead role.

LoreMaster002025-10-10 04:32

honestly, if they were going to recast anyway, they could have just waited 3 more years and used original Cassie's actress, because then she'd be the character's age and a legal adult.

Clawshot522025-10-10 06:54

Abby Ryder Fortson is 17 now and still acting. They should definitely bring her back.

FordBeWithYou2025-10-10 15:23

That would have been a COMPLETELY forgivable recasting. Having an older actress at the time endgame takes place, then going back to Abby because she’s at the right age for the role would have been really respectful and cool.

Plus she crushed it in Are You There God It’s Me Margaret, she’s really talented.

LoreMaster002025-10-10 15:34

have you seen her in The Pitt? she's SO good!

FordBeWithYou2025-10-10 15:37

I have not! Thank you so much for the recommendation

MrNobody_02025-10-10 08:09

One, the way they didn't even tell the original actress, and two the original actress looked exactly like a grown up version of the kid from the first two Ant-Man films, and legit looks like she could be Paul Rudd's daughter. The new girl they got looks nothing like either, she was okay in the role but she physically just looked so out of place.

Edit: spelling.

LoreMaster002025-10-10 18:03

where was Judy Greer and the crew for the whole movie? it fels like this was another movie with Kang and the micronauts and they just slapped Ant-Man on top of it.

____mynameis____2025-10-09 20:44

That movie was a perfect ending for almost all the characters, even to cinematic universe itself.

Endgame endgaming too hard is half the reason for the general apathy towards post EG MCU.

That movie was the perfect conclusion in a way you feel so satisfied to not want anything more.

Like even when Sam got the shield, I never felt like we were gonna get to actually see Sam as Cap. That entire montage was shot in a way to give arc conclusion to both Sam and Steve, not set up a Sam Cap movie.

NightFury05952025-10-09 20:46

And they had to throw it out by making Ant-Man 3. Never forgiving them for ruining up Scott Lang story.

RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-09 21:26

I'm torn. On one hand I love Scott and want nothing but for him to have this ending. On the other, Scott's death is literally the most iconic thing he's ever done in comics. Scott is a great guy, and a damn good hero.

HeroXeroV2025-10-09 21:27

Yeah, agree.

bentimms012025-10-09 22:09

It pretty much is to me. I love to see endgame as the end as it has such fitting endings for so many characters then I see FFH, NWH and GOTG3 as epilogues to the story.

Electronic-Gas78482025-10-11 02:45

I saw an article saying the same thing about NWH and GOTG3 serving as epilogues to the MCU. I don't feel that much attachment to the characters that will be in Doomsday, most of my excitement being in seeing the OG X-Men again.

PhantomOverlord912025-10-09 22:43

Main villain of Ant-Man 3 should’ve been a remade AIM headed by MODOK. Keep it street level. Rework Cassie. Name it Ant Man and Stature.

Dapper-Claim74262025-10-10 01:15

I hated how they recast Cassie as well, couldn't stand the actress that played her in Quantumania.

the_tchootch6582025-10-10 06:07

I think this was a perfect conclusion other than using him in future Avengers projects. Not everything needs to be a trilogy. I still think that if they absolutely needed another installment that the Quantum realm approach was the right idea, but putting Kang in it wasn’t a smart move.

ddanuu2025-10-10 09:20

Sadly Ant Man 3 will be one of the MCU movies I will never watch ever again. Same with Brave New World

PucaFilms2025-10-10 21:32

I think Quantumania could have been a good story. As a trilogy about time lost and family, there's lots to explore. Scott, having been gone for five years, must repair his relationship with Cassie. Hope, now reunited with her mother, must navigate her new family dynamic.

I'd follow Cassie, a rebellious type, trying to be a hero, while Scott lays low after his experiences saving the world. The two clash, and Cassie uncovers a plot from HYDRA to travel into the Quantum Realm to locate Darren Cross aka Yellowjacket (who is discovered to be still alive) to unlock the secret to Pym particles. To complete this heist, Mitch Carson of HYDRA uses the last of their Pym particles to empower SHIELD mole Eric O'Grady aka the militaristic Black Ant.

Heading subatomic to intercept their enemy, the Ant family discover chronopolis, a minature city rules by a benevolent emperor. Janet, having lived alone for years, is torn apart by this discovery.

The rest of the film would follow a race against time as both sides try to get to Yellow jacket first, with the X-Cons defending the quantum device from a Sonny Burch-led HYDRA home-alone style. Kang would feature but only in a small capacity, as an isolated and paranoid survivor of the multiversal war. He'd be too preoccupied with running a Kingdom to recognise Ant Man and co, reducing him to a small but powerful roadblock on the journey.

Eventually both sides (and a chunk of the quantum realm) would come through the shrinking device, turning a section of San Fransisco into a bizarre mashup of aliens, history and sci-fi. (Think the end battle of the Mario movie, where the mushroom kingdom comes to NYC). This will allow the final battle to have some size changing classic antics and unite the ant family with the x cons for something a little more tangible and realistic.

In the end they'd defeat Hydra and be celebrated as heroes. Scott let's Cassie keep the suit, and starts the Avengers academy, teaching the next generation of heroes. Hank and Janet retire for good, spending the rest of their time together.

TedGetsSnickelfritz2025-10-11 03:08

The haircut was the worst bit of the 3rd.

Justkeeptalking19852025-10-11 16:36

But they absolutely needed to get to his daughter being the next "Antman"...right?....right?...anyone?

Justkeeptalking19852025-10-11 16:40

They tried to use the movie as a bridge and then write a movie around that bridge. They made a popsicle stick bridge but left the popsicle still on, so the majority just melted away into a sticky mess.

Kinda like sticking to an odd analogy that makes me now want a popsicle.

Clean-Revolution-6412025-10-12 04:18

It was likely a pretty good conclusion to Hope’s story.