When do you think Marvel is gonna do ANYTHING with Jack Russel, Elsa Bloodstone, and Man-Thing again?

It’s been 3 years since the special presentation, they’re clearly not Avengers movie level characters yet, and there’s not another presentation this year

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RihoSucks2025-10-08 21:20

They better get in line with the rest of the phase 4/5 people they've done nothing with.

Kilzi2025-10-08 21:20

How did this happen, man 😔

RihoSucks2025-10-08 21:21

2 words, bob chapek

Virtual-Scarcity-4632025-10-08 22:36

I read that a lot of Marvel stuff produced/released under Chapek was already set in motion by Iger before he retired the first time. It's obvious he didn't manage it well but I don't think Iger is blameless.

demonoddy2025-10-08 23:07

They always have a lot of projects in the works but they don’t make all of them. Chapek just made them all so it’s his fault

CaptHayfever2025-10-09 02:44

What Chapek did wrong was crank up the speed.

SeekerVash2025-10-09 02:51

It's really complicated and there's a lot of PR deflection involved.

Case in point, Iger never retired.

[Disney's Bob Iger stays on to steer company during Covid-19 crisis | Walt Disney Company | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/apr/13/disney-bob-iger-to-stay-as-ceo-during-coronavirus-pandemic)

In truth, Feige is at fault here. Chapek/Iger just asked for more, Feige decided to do things like Echo instead of existing characters like a Peggy Carter revisit, or G'iah instead of connecting to one of the Marvels.

YesImHereAskMeHow2025-10-09 06:05

More words than that - Covid was a huge shuffle in their entire release and filming schedule. They had people booked for jobs and then couldn’t get them again, on top of set restrictions and having to change entire storylines. They lost one of their main heroes with Chadwick dying, and lost their major villain with kang being an abuser. Then the writers strike happened which was a bottleneck on production and caused more shuffling.

They’ve been pretty open about it all, and have tried to right the ship really quickly and successfully in my opinion. Honestly it’s incredible we got the projects we did and any connections at all, let alone connecting what movies to the shows they did, in spite of all the obstacles put in front of them.

I think the next phases they will use what worked and improve on what they learned even more. With no pandemic or strike this time to muck it up

Heisenburgo2025-10-09 15:50

> bob chapek

2 words: Scape. Goat.

one_pound_of_flesh2025-10-08 21:43

Poor leadership.

BON3SMcCOY2025-10-09 01:44

Yeah this is why I think it was so insane how much people cheered for the return of RDJ and all these x-men. There were dozens of characters from phases 4 and 5 just dumped by the wayside to make room for more nostalgia fest cameo times.

Sir__Will2025-10-08 21:21

Probably never.

Fawqueue2025-10-08 21:23

Marvel is far too busy figuring out how to center everything around Kamala Khan to worry about any of their other characters.

Kilzi2025-10-08 21:26

Not too sure what you mean. She had her own show which was standard, she was in a movie with Captain Marvel which like yeah that was obvious, so you’re talking about Marvel Zombies? I like the MCU’s Ms Marvel, I just DESPISE her glowing construct powers

Fawqueue2025-10-08 21:30

It goes well beyond the MCU. They made her the main character in the failed Square Enix Avengers game. They made her death a major event in a Spider-Man book. They recently retconned a ton of iconic X-Men stories to include her at the center. And yes, they adapted the Marvel Zombies mini-series and made her the central protagonist.

If there's an upcoming project, you can count on modern Marvel to explore how to shove her into it, whether it's makes sense or not.

RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-08 21:32

Same, especially given it seems to me that if they're putting so much stock in Kamala (and others like Kate) it's cause it's a sign they're not abandoning their plans for Young Avengers/Champions.

SeekerVash2025-10-09 02:54

Zombies was likely storyboarded and contracted before The Marvels bombed.

RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-09 03:08

So why is Tommy all but confirmed in VisionQuest?

Honic_Sedgehog2025-10-08 21:34

> I just DESPISE her glowing construct powers

I actually don't mind how they adjusted her powers, sets her apart from Reed Richards. It makes sense given that when they made Ms Marvel they were likely already in Pre-Production on F4.

Same as the 10 rings, they're well done in the MCU but very different from their comic origins, likely to avoid confusion with the Infinity Stones. They work well.

Kilzi2025-10-08 21:35

I can’t remember which YouTuber brought this up, but I remember someone saying that they tried to make her different from Reed’s stretchiness and then they just gave her all of Sue Storm’s forcefields

Honic_Sedgehog2025-10-08 21:37

I can see that argument, I don't agree.

Realistic_Analyst_262025-10-08 22:05

Being able to use hers powers defensively doesn’t automatically make her a copy of Sue Storm.

SeekerVash2025-10-09 02:55

There was a bit years ago with Feige in an interview where he stated he didn't want any two heroes to have the same powers, which is why Ms. Marvel was changed. That's probably what you're thinking of.

_Levitated_Shield_2025-10-08 21:56

Kamala has only had three projects?

YaButtIsDaBomb692025-10-08 21:24

Midnight suns will happen and they will be involved in some way.

d0om_gaZe2025-10-08 21:24

I would love to have them tied into the big Avengers crossovers Doomsday or Secret Wars, but i'm thinking it might not be until Midnight Sons

So sometime after Blade is finally introduced

Kilzi2025-10-08 21:26

So never 😭

AcanthianVampire2025-10-08 21:26

I'll take a sequel to this over Marvel Zombies any day.

The Special Presentation is now a mainstay of my yearly Halloween rotation.

Kilzi2025-10-08 21:28

I’m watching it rn, it’s really good

SteveFrench122025-10-08 22:42

Id rather the zombies sequel now since it ended on a huge cliff hanger

demonoddy2025-10-08 23:07

Werewolf by night was awesome

AsterArtworks2025-10-08 21:26

Yes, marvel will always do something with them.

Remember, Samuel Sterns was teased in a post credit scene 15 years before returning.

My guess is that Jack and Man-Thing will fight alongside Moon Knight, Blade, and Ghost Rider in the Midnight Sons post Secret Wars.

Kilzi2025-10-08 21:27

Well the difference with the leader is that he was definitely NOT *planned* to be saved for 15 years later

Markus28222025-10-08 21:57

And you think these guys are? Lol

AsterArtworks2025-10-08 22:43

These guys probably have a better plan in place than Samuel Sterns did when the MCU just started, so I’d say much higher likelihood we see them sooner than 15 years lol

seanx402025-10-08 21:32

Werewolf and Man Thing will show up somewhere in the next decade or so. Elsa, unlikely

diggnstuff2025-10-08 21:38

I would have loved a yearly Halloween special with these characters. Just some haunted house/Scooby Doo scary stuff. They could have used it to introduce so many C-list heroes and villains.
But instead we got the four episodes of Echo that I could make it through, and then the two episodes of Ironheart.

Kilzi2025-10-08 21:41

I’d sacrifice like 5 MCU projects from the last 3 years for another Werewolf By Night

SeekerVash2025-10-09 02:52

Username checks out, guy has the kilzi's.

Kilzi2025-10-09 02:54

And you have the…vashes?

SeekerVash2025-10-09 02:57

I have very long vashes, thank you for asking!

sirnacreations2025-10-08 23:02

I've been saying this every chance I get

If it were me, I would just do a series of Halloween specials, each one with a few different characters and some overarching thread that leads to a Midnight Sons extended special. It seems like Werewolf by Night worked for a lot of people and that format could have worked keeping the monsters of the MCU in their own little section. I would maybe use Wong as the link between the monsters and the heroes. Donny Cates' run of Doctor Strange with Wong taking charge lives rent free in my head.

KelVarnsen_20232025-10-08 23:33

Considering that at one point they were all about generating content for D+ I would have thought a yearly Halloween special and a yearly Christmas special would have been a no brainer.

demonoddy2025-10-08 23:08

We are getting a punisher special next year

mattsmithreddit2025-10-08 21:41

Cameo at the end of Secret Wars maybe amongst an army of a million other characters

Desperate-Pen75302025-10-08 21:45

Hopefully we get a Dark Avengers movie with Man thing in the team

one_pound_of_flesh2025-10-08 21:46

The MCU died with Endgame.

It is now just recycled IP.

_Levitated_Shield_2025-10-08 21:54

Spoken like someone who didn't watch Werewolf By Night.

Raj_Valiant30112025-10-08 21:48

They should have more representation in the Disney+ front.

Jumpy-Opening-77022025-10-08 21:52

In Marvel Zombies or Midnight Sons.

Unfair-Expression2872025-10-08 21:53

Yeah marvel suffers from the disease "I keep introducing new characters in my cinematic universe and never do anything with it cuz I’ll move on to the next one "

RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-09 00:07

Marvel comics has the same problem unfortunately.

_Levitated_Shield_2025-10-08 21:54

At this rate, Zombies S2 is the safest bet.

Riley__642025-10-08 21:57

I think after this current saga the next saga should focus on the supernatural and mutants.

I know supernatural and mutants don’t share too much in common but you can easily make a through line about the idea of people being viewed as monsters for their appearance and differences despite their heroic actions.

The supernatural beings and mutants both share the similarities of while seeming initially monstrous and dangerous are actually good guys.

just_another_reddit2025-10-08 22:22

With a couple of supernatural projects, you could sow the idea that the public is (rightfully) terrified of powered beings. So far they've mostly seen heroes. Let them see monsters instead.

That paves the way for X-Men to tackle prejudice against powered beings, because the public can no longer see the difference.

FeralPsychopath2025-10-09 03:21

Fuck having a saga. Just good movies. You don’t need to label a movie The Avengers to team up vs a villain.

ObviousAnswerGuy2025-10-09 04:48

FF will be in there as well

Markus28222025-10-08 22:00

We may get some indication next week they’re supposed to interview the main cast and director on next weeks Official Podcast, that’s gonna be our first check in on this stuff since the special was rereleased in color. Or it could turn out to not hint to anything. But id check in/wait till then

RihoSucks2025-10-08 22:11

Expect the usual "Nothing is in the works yet", "Never say never", "I'd love to return if marvel makes the call" etc etc

ionlyhavetwohands2025-10-08 22:20

Elsa will cross over to the Buffyverse and will be in the new show.

Swing-Full2025-10-08 22:32

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doctorwho_cares2025-10-08 22:46

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Zar-Djoser-00112025-10-08 22:42

Midnight Sons movie franchise with Blade, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Elsa, Jack and Ted. Skip individual projects and go straight to the team up already, since that’s the goal all along.

Dragon_yum2025-10-08 22:44

No. The came out in a time marvel just vomited content without any plan. They are scaling things back.

EdwinMcduck2025-10-08 22:59

Werewolf and Man-Thing at least have a role in a park attraction. I am confident all of them will show up in an actual film or television project again, though.

Excaliburn3d2025-10-09 00:43

Which park attraction?

EdwinMcduck2025-10-09 00:51

A Multiverse themed thing involving a King Thanos variant.

PikaV20022025-10-08 23:00

Probably no. They’ve hopped into milking the X-Men nostalgia mode.

SexyWampa2025-10-08 23:48

Never. They're concentrating on avenger level stuff from now on.

phred_6662025-10-08 23:52

I put these characters with the others that will never be seen ever again next to Starfox, Pip, Black Knight, The Eternals…

Armandonerd2025-10-09 00:03

Probably when they do Midnight sons or a cameo in Blade, if that movie ever gets made.

KevinAnniPadda2025-10-09 00:16

I like what they did with all those characters, but man I really wanted a comic accurate looking Elsa Bloodstone

Effective-Fondant-162025-10-09 02:56

It’s such a mess at this point, Marvel’s best bet is just to hard reset everything.

CaptHayfever2025-10-09 03:00

It will be a missed opportunity not to use Man-Thing at all in the culmination of the Multiverse Saga, given his role in the comics multiverse.
Elsa & Jack, on the other hand, can wait a bit. We know they're not giving up on specials entirely, thanks to the Punisher. We also know they're slowing the TV output to just a couple things per year, & all of next year's projects are already booked.

AttilaTheFun8182025-10-09 04:38

Possibly never. They’ve introduced a shitton of characters and there isn’t room for them all

I wouldn’t mind more. I really enjoyed that special.

ObviousAnswerGuy2025-10-09 04:43

such a great show, too

NorthernSkeptic2025-10-09 09:37

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kurumais2025-10-09 10:40

never

danrpx2025-10-09 12:25

Werewolf by Night is in my top 5 favourite comic adaptations of all time, I think only beaten by The Crow and Netflix Daredevil.

It's so strange they created something basically universally praised and then just went "cool moving on". Man-Thing could have been a big part of the Multiverse Saga with his connection to the nexus of all realities.

Soulwarfare422025-10-09 16:49

It is clear that they decided to push everything concerning Supernatural to Post-Secret Wars

So guess we got to wait till then to see if they return