When Fury was with S.H.I.E.L.D. remanents (Age Of Ultron & Far From Home), were they assembled by Fury, or on loan from Coulson (or Mack)?
So, Fury appeared with S.H.I.E.L.D. twice in the movies after the fall of S.H.I.E.L.D. and subsequent rebuilding of S.H.I.E.L.D. by Phil Coulson, the first time was in 2015 during the Battle Of Sokovia (Age Of Ultron), and the second time was in Europe in 2024 alongside Spider-Man (Far From Home). So, those small groups, were they, like the Helicarrier, on loan/given to Fury by Coulson, or Mack in Far From Home's case since he was probably still the director in 2024, or did Fury get them himself?
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...for some heavy mental gymnastics.
Not saying it's impossible; less compatible things have been forced together in the history of comics. But not in the MCU so far afaik.
I don't really get why so many people want it to be sacred timeline so badly. Again, not saying it's completely impossible, but it being an alternate timeline would fit so much easier. Why would you all *want* something that fits so poorly onto the ST to be on the ST? I like AoS, and really hope they get to show up in the MCU again, but I think it'd be so much cooler (and so much more plausible) if they come from a different universe.
S5 ended with SHIELD being labeled a terrorist organization on the run from the government. Then S6 picked up a year later with the government having completely pardoned SHIELD, hiring them to act as an alien and interdimensional police force for at least the U.S., and agreeing to rebuild SHIELD Academy. So something major happened between S5 and S6 that affected the world.
Furthermore, Eternals tells us that if Thanos hadn't snapped away half of the population, Tiamut would have emerged and destroyed the world. A year after the events of Infinity War, Earth is still around in AoS. So that implies that something must have stopped Tiamut.
WandaVision starts up just 3 weeks after the reverse-Snap, and only one person mentions it in that series (because she was snapped and it informs her motivation/characterization in the show).
That's only relevant if we already assume that AoS is main universe canon, because otherwise who knows if Tiamut is even there in the universe where it takes place.
>WandaVision starts up just 3 weeks after the reverse-Snap, and only one person mentions it in that series (because she was snapped and it informs her motivation/characterization in the show).
You're right that that's a bit weird too, and that one could have expected a bit more there, and that omissions of this kind aren't that much out of the ordinary. But even if WV had completely omitted the reverse-snap, it would still be no where near as big of an omission as the absence of the snap in AoS. Like, if we want to fit it together, apart from everything else, we literally have to assume that not a single character in the show got dusted, and that nobody ever addresses this near-cosmic coincidence. It's just so unlikely.
Marvel Studios produced WHIH Newsfront which references an event from AoS S3. So if AoS branches off of the main canon, it shouldn't happen until after S3. The branch point would have to be before Earth was originally formed for there to not be a Tiamut in Earth in AoS.
>Like, if we want to fit it together, apart from everything else, we literally have to assume that not a single character in the show got dusted, and that nobody ever addresses this near-cosmic coincidence. It's just so unlikely.
It is possible that Coulson got dusted, and also possible that the coincidence was addressed during the year long gap. It would certainly explain why Daisy and team are so close to giving up on finding Fitz at the beginning of S6.
But the Eternals never discuss the fact that none of them were dusted. And the Spider-Man crew never talk about how big a coincidence it was that all of them were dusted. So we know these omissions do happen in the MCU proper.
It definitely *can* be, but I've already said it's only close to a contradiction in this case. Hypothetically, if Thanos had dusted all humans (or something like that), then the snap not featuring on AoS would absolutely be a contradiction. As it stands, it isn't, but not a single character from AoS getting dusted is still absurdly unlikely, even apart from the topic of *talking about* such an important event. So, no full contradiction, but very close.
> way more MCU events are mentioned (and main characters appear) in AoS then in any other show.
True, but that was infamously a one-way street, as AoS events never got mentioned in other projects (at least not the movies). Aos definitely happens in a universe where most MCU events happen too, but there's far less reason to assume the opposite; namely that main-MCU is a universe where AoS happens too. Of course we'd assume it by default to be the same universe, unless there's strong evidence to the contrary, which I'm arguing that there is indeed.
WHiH Newsfront, WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, The Wakanda Files,....
> at least not the movies
....Age of Ultron, Civil War, Captain Marvel, Endgame, Far From Home.
In AoS it works the good ol' Terminator/BTTF/Hot Tub Time Machine way. Endgame established it works the other way.
I mean sure, you could say the AoS characters only think that time travel like that but I dare to say Fitz is at least in this regard smarter than Banner who knew the "correct" way so it's safe to assume Fitz would have also known.
I still consider AoS canon though.
Also anytime they jumped in S7 the same Enoch was still there and still salty that he had to wait for them for years. Wouldn't it be at least different Enoch if the timelines were branched? Or are Chronicoms different? Wouldn't surprise me given the name.
And yeah, FitzSimmons' time travel is better. That wasn't in question. They did had years to develop it though.
1. We know from Ms. Marvel & from Dr. Strange that different *methods* of time travel can have different rules to them.
2. We also know that the AoS S7 time travel followed Endgame rules exactly. And they never confirmed that the S5 time travel didn't work that way as well. (We also had >!one Fitz criticize the other Fitz's hypotheses onscreen!<.)
I know at some point they come across ‘the real shield’, but has that happened yet or were they still the rag tag small group?
Right on! Like I said has been a while!
After Winter Soldier, almost all of the non Hydra people were out of a job. They had nothing better to do, and were happy to do a favor for their old boss.
The movies ignored AoS
So there’s that plus Feige and his bros not considering the show canon since they took full control of Marvel years ago. This culminated in the show not even having a Snap / Blip, because the movie people didn’t give a crap about the show and didn’t loop them in.
As for the second part, you already know I don’t agree with that so I’m not even going to engage with it. We’ve been over this before.
As for his appearance in Spider-Man:FFH, that was clearly a Skrull operative who may have been acting without authorization.
FFH, it wasn't a "skrull operative account without authorization", it was Talos acting under Fury's orders while Fury was off world doing work.
The film was written over a year before the episode of AOS, and that dialogue isn't referencing AOS, it's just referencing the people in the shot/film.
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In Far From Home, I imagine these were just agents that left S.H.I.E.L.D. to work with S.A.B.E.R. under Fury. Though S.H.I.E.L.D. still would've been around.
>Status: Damaged heavily in the Battle of New York, repaired and loaned to Fury for assistance in evacuating Sokovia.
Around the time of the crossover, Kevin Feige told people to tune into *Agents of SHIELD* to learn more about how Fury got Helicarrier 64.
edit - The *Wakanda Files* also has Coulson being the agent that reports the events seen in the *Item 47* one-shot to Fury. *Item 47* takes place AFTER the Battle of New York (*The Avengers*), which means Coulson was already resurrected via Project T.A.H.I.T.I. and back at work.