Are Fitzsimmons smarter than Tony Stark?

Youngest graduates of S.H.I.E.L.D. academy ever, invented Hard Light technology around the same time that Stark did, and figured out time travel by themselves, unlike Tony Stark who did it once he got the idea of using the Quantum Realm, and they canonically did it before him. They're also two of the smartest people in the MCU 616/199999 timeline, and if you put them together, it probably beats out Tony Stark.

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ihatedisney2025-10-08 02:36

DjGrayfox2025-10-08 02:37

Gilded-Mongoose2025-10-08 02:39

ich-bin-on-that-shit2025-10-08 02:39

No.

mateustav2025-10-08 02:39

3v1lkr0w2025-10-08 02:40

MaxxStaron102025-10-08 02:41

Do they have an iron man suit? Then no

repalec2025-10-08 02:41

I mean, 'canonically' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there for a series that was always tenuously connected to the films and hasn't been referenced even once since its ending half a decade ago.

marvelcomics222025-10-08 02:43

By 'canonically', I meant timeline-wise. They invented the technology in the Early 2020s, before Stark, and it was better. They didn't need a constant source of Pym particles to do it.

repalec2025-10-08 02:52

That implies those events take place in the same timeline, though - by the end of AOS's second season and definitely by the end of the fifth (where they opted not to adapt any aftermath episodes for Infinity War or Endgame) the show very much seemed to be in *at best* an offshoot of the MCU where things occured much the same way with slight differences (such as Coulson's resurrection, the existence of a Ghost Rider, and the mass Terrigenesis at the end of season 2)

FPG_Matthew2025-10-08 02:57

They didn’t opt to, they were forced to. Marvel Studios execs kept IW/EG plot such a secret that it wasn’t possible for AoS writers to fit perfectly with the movies. So, they decided to do a 1 year jump at the start of s6, thinking “surely the IW/EG plot will be resolved by then”. When in reality nope, they needed to jump the show ahead 5 years.

marvelcomics222025-10-08 03:52

It all works in the 616 timeline. The Inhumans, or lack of thereof in the MCU, can be easily explained by saying that characters didn't mention them because they were preoccupied, and if they want to, they can just explain that they were all hunted down or something.

Wtygrrr2025-10-08 02:41

Notchibald_Johnson2025-10-08 02:43

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jamesbondswanson2025-10-08 02:43

Me after seeing these characters

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BladeStudios2025-10-08 02:46

You should smarten up on them. Best couple in the MCU

marvelcomics222025-10-08 02:47

The best ship in the entire MCU, no in all live action Marvel projects? Watch Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.

FPG_Matthew2025-10-08 02:50

Agents Leo Fitz and Jemma Simmons. Two geniuses. Best couple in the MCU (imo). If you’re looking for more marvel fun outside the movies and D+ shows, give Agents of Shield a try. Starts out intertwining with the films quite well before drifting off to do its own thing in the later seasons because executives butted heads (example being the creators of AoS didn’t know the outcome of Infinity War, which tied their hands when it came to what to do next with the story)

I just finished the show for the first time a few weeks ago, and it easily has some amazing moments and storylines worth seeing, along with a great cast of characters that you’ll fall in love with as the seasons go on. It’s long which puts tons of ppl off, but I found comfort in having a new episode in the marvel world to watch every single night for a few months

And if you want more Coulson, you get more Coulson. Who doesn’t want more Coulson?!

igby12025-10-08 02:44

We’ll never know for sure.

PkLuigi2025-10-08 02:46

Tony Stark figured out Quantum Time Travel in a few days, Fitzsimmons figured it in 4-5 years (They spent most of those years getting pregnant and raising a little girl, but still).

Youngling_Hunt2025-10-08 02:53

Tony had been working on the theory for years. Once he had the theory, he was able to implement it in a few days.

sam_fatsasso2025-10-08 04:33

To be fair, Fitzsimmons didn't have Pym particles as a jumping off point.

Ok-disaster20222025-10-08 04:37

In science knowing you can do something makes it much easier than doing something never done before.

One stark knew a solution existed he could make it work.

I also don't know much about how the time travel in SHIELD works. So I can't tell if they had an extent solution.

sam_fatsasso2025-10-08 05:41

Tony Stark worked out the navigation, but the Pum particles are the vehicle. Fitzsimmons had to invent the vehicle and the navigation.

Romnonaldao2025-10-08 02:50

Together they are on par in knowledge, but they don't have the creativity Tony does

XXX_DILFLORD_XXX2025-10-08 02:50

Love them but Tony figured out time travel by locking in.

New_Giraffe44792025-10-08 02:55

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MahaloWolf2025-10-08 02:56

"Smarter than" isnt something easily measured by inventions alone. Is Einstein smarter than Isaac Newton, or did he just have decades of developments to stand on? Its hard to tell.

How many of the tools that Fitzsimmons use were developed by Tony? Would they be able to create hard light as soon as they did if Tony hadn't paved a path of innovation first?

The other factor is motivation. Neither group developed time travel on a whim. They did it because circumstances pushed them to. If they had swapped places, Tony might have developed it first.

I also wouldnt put at much stock into Tony using the Quantum Realm. A good inventor uses what they have. If we gave Fitzsimmons access to Scott Lang and the Quantum Realm, maybe it would speed up their research, but it also could push them into researching an option that they might develop more slowly. Maybe they just can't crack the QR as easily, and knowing about its existence makes them too focussed on that as the solution.

sputler2025-10-08 04:39

Newton was smarter than Einstein by quite a bit. There are very few mathematicians that could accomplish what Newton did, in Newton's time. Newton and Euler are about the only two that I could imagine doing it. And I'm skeptical as to whether Leibniz did given there is some controversy as to whether Leibniz saw some of Newton's early work on Calculus and copied/expanded upon it.

RegularDude7112025-10-08 03:24

When combining their expertise, yes probably. Separating them, no probably not. It’s impossible to say, but I fucking love FitzSimmons and would love to see them again, somewhere, somehow. I don’t feel the same as Iron Man since we saw his complete arc.

Even just seeing some version of FitzSimmons trying to figure out wtf is going on with multiverse/incursions, even if it’s just a montage of the multiverses smartest people, would scratch the itch.

Iyo232025-10-08 03:53

lol no. Wtf?

TheRealPallando2025-10-08 03:55

WeirwoodUpMyAss2025-10-08 04:32

These power scaling convos that keep popping up are all dumb and reductive.

Victor_Zsasz2025-10-08 04:38

Did they invent any of those things IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!?

Throwupmyhands2025-10-08 04:41

Yea they probably are. Pretty brilliant.

marvelcomics222025-10-08 04:46

I think that Fitz is on the same level, if not close, to Stark, and so is Simmons, so Fitzsimmons together would certainly be right? Also, thank you for having a 'yes' and some detail instead of most people's 'No.' and 'Who are they?'.

Throwupmyhands2025-10-09 03:00

lol yea the “who?” Comments are depressing. People missing out.

bloodyell762025-10-08 05:07

No. Does their collective knowledge/ experience beat his possibly more often than not? That’s the real question

madmouse8752025-10-08 21:14

they have diff kinds of smart, it's hard to compare