Whatever happened to Steve's Past Self is Present Steve is now with Peggy?

Genuine question, cause we see Steve (2012) meet Steve (2023), so where is Steve (1945)?

Is he still frozen in ice? Did he thaw 70 years later? We see Steve now old at the end of Endgame, so now I'm confused, is there now 2 different Captain America's?

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The-Bojangler2025-10-07 22:04

Commenting bc I had this same question

VanilleKoekje2025-10-07 22:04

Does it really matter? Besides no one knows

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 22:49

The directors literally said he grew old in a branch timeline so OP’s question is fatally flawed from the start.

Jakeisaprettycoolguy2025-10-07 23:00

The movie shows him showing back up and giving the shield to Sam though, in the main timeline. He clearly did not grow old in an alt timeline despite what the directors say.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 23:14

WOWZERS. Lol.

Pym and everyone else was unsnapped. They gave him tons of Pym Particles and the stones from the alternate timelines to give back (since the Avengers are not jerks). He obviously had plenty of particles and could travel around.

We even see Tony and Steve jump from one branch to another without a platform (alt 2012 to alt 1970s NJ).

It was trivially easy for him to do any of these: A) Come back on the platform when everyone was out to lunch / sleeping and then sit on the bench for some hours. B) Come back without using the platform and sit on the bench.

VanilleKoekje2025-10-08 09:28

the question is flawed, but for a different reason. You can't fucking read. OP was asking about the Steve that is still frozen when main timeline Steve takes his place.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-08 13:19

“We see Steve now old at the end of Endgame, so now I'm confused, is there now 2 different Captain America's?”

VanilleKoekje2025-10-08 14:29

Yes that is OP's question. What do you not understand about that question

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-08 14:42

I understand they are confused and don’t realize there are branching timelines

VanilleKoekje2025-10-08 17:55

You are the one that's confused. OP was asking about the original Steve in the timeline "main" Steve went to. So the still frozen one.

starmapleleaf2025-10-07 22:05

I assume he’s frozen in ice… so yeah lol

gavinashun2025-10-07 22:06

Maybe Steve (2023) murders him.

Railz_Productions2025-10-07 22:23

if that were to happen, Steve would be dead.

gavinashun2025-10-07 22:32

But not Steve. Or Steve. Or, for that matter, Steve.

Morgoth18142025-10-07 22:40

Nope. Changing the past creates a branched timeline. So let’s say 2023 Steve killed the 1945 Steve, the OG Steve is still alive in the main timeline and everyone in the alternate timeline would just assume that OG Steve is their Steve. They likely thought that even back then with 1945 Steve buried.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 22:51

Dude actually pay attention to the movie next time. Nebula kills her “past” self and is fine. Because that was an alternate timeline branch version of herself.

Purple-Nectarine832025-10-07 22:27

I’ve seen this posited before and I just find it so weird. The very first scene of CATFA shows how well hidden the Valkyrie ship is, and in what kind of inhospitable conditions. It was only found because a Russian oil team was drilling there. Nobody else spotted it because “this landscape’s changing all the time.”

They spell it out - finding and recovering Steve when they did was a one in a million chance. Why would Steve kill his other self when he can just… not take heavy industrial equipment into the frozen Arctic wasteland?

gavinashun2025-10-07 22:31

I was joking lol

nipplesaurus2025-10-07 22:07

He’s in a loop. 1945 Steve is still frozen but will thaw and become the 2023 Steve that goes back in time to live happily ever after with Peggy. So, yes, there are two Steves in 1945, and after the events at the end of Endgame, there are three in 2012.

That may not follow the time travel rules set out by Endgame but that’s how it works in my head.

ItsAProdigalReturn2025-10-07 22:31

There wouldn't be three. The timeline with two Steves in 2012 during Endgame got pruned in Loki. I do believe that the Steve from the end of the film DOES get to live through the same timeline though. It seems like that's something that Kang's HWR might have allowed as part of the Sacred Timeline.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 22:46

The people who were in charge of Endgame say no loop. Steve grew old in an alternate branch timeline

CROBBY22025-10-07 22:53

Then how did he get back to this branch?

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 23:11

Wait did you think the Avengers didn’t supply Steve well and forced him on one way trip never to return?

Or do you think they gave him tons of Pym Particles to make the trips and trip back? Eh?

CT-10302025-10-07 23:17

You can see him taking 2 additional bottles of pym particles when he was in that SHIELD base in Endgame.

totaltvaddict22025-10-07 23:18

Some of the people in charge of Endgame say that. Others say it’s the same timeline. I honestly can’t remember which was director and which was writer philosophy, but they conflict with each other. It’s no wonder we get confused.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 23:26

No the hired guns with no power who seem like they weren’t involved much in reshoots and were not involved at all in editing, were overruled by the directors who are also producers who also oversaw editing the movie and everything else.

But go ahead and go with the powerless folks in the hierarchy for some reason.

matty_nice2025-10-08 01:40

Who were the hired guns?

matty_nice2025-10-08 01:43

The writers said it was the same universe, contradicting what the movie told us.

The directors said it was a different universe, which is what the movie tells us.

r01-85062025-10-07 23:18

Directors and the Writers contradict though. I'm on the Writers' side on this one, that it didn't create a branching timeline, as they intentionally and originally written in the script.

The creators leave stuff behind for other creators to pick up later like Whedon not yet making Steve fully lifting Mjolnir back in Avengers2, which allowed the Russos to utilize it in Endgame.

After Disney got Fox, then later shown in the Loki show, they now got different time travel rules apart from what EG established. Fox has Cable's Watch and Days of Future Past, then in Loki, the TVA's tempad and Loki's own time slip which are more Terminator/Back to the Future.

Going back to the past doesn't automatically create a branch unless something drastic was changed like Loki escaping with the Tesseract. So Steve lived with Peggy low profile. Or else the TVA would step in to prune the branch, since everything needed must happen in the Sacred Timeline. So it was Steve all along, Peggy's unknown husband.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 23:20

Sigh. The writers have absolutely no power. They aren’t the deciders of the movie. They aren’t involved in the editing. The directors/producers are. The directors/producers are the bosses.

Movies can drastically change in the edit. They can change with reshoots that the credited writers aren’t involved with.

It is the height of foolishness to go with the writers, who have no power, and ignore the directing / production team that has all the power.

matty_nice2025-10-08 01:45

Per IMDB, the writers are also listed as co-producers. The Russos are not listed as being producers on the film.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-08 01:57

My mistake on the production credit. There are actual producers, and then the two losers are listed as co-producers.

In any case the Russos were running that show.

I mean one can side with the dumbest clueless most embarrassing morons there can be, go for it. I’ve been seriously wondering for years if those two losers heavily abuse drugs, or if they never saw the final film and just assumed things from an earlier draft or what. But what they said was incredibly embarrassing and everyone should think less of them as people.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 23:25

Furthermore you exhibit a fundamental misunderstanding of Loki. For one the Pym / Quantum Realm tech is different. Two, you have no idea what the TVA does in most cases. Most of it is BS due to Kang’s whims. Except, when it isn’t. Because it is outside of time. How do you even know if it is Kang running it, or Loki holding all the timeline branches together?

r01-85062025-10-07 23:29

Why the arrogance? Why so almighty? Just explain your side. Where's your onscreen and in-universe proof that Steve in fact grew old in a separate timeline? The Directors themselves didn't show it anywhere, they didn't make it happen onscreen/in-universe. They intentionally left it vague (so that it could be expanded later on for example).

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-08 00:35

The entire movie is alternate branching timelines. Nebula even kills her “past” self and is fine because it is all branches.

Also, the directors, who also helped with editing, said it was all alternate branches.

It’s weird you think it is arrogant to listen to the people in charge of the movie.

Stoner_bro2025-10-07 22:08

Our steve went back in time and dropped off the stones, lived a life out of view with Peggy, then showed up to drop off his shield. There was technically 2 Steve's the whole time, one that we watched, and one in retirement

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-07 22:47

Incorrect. The “time travel” in Endgame was alternate branch timelines.

I mean come on my guy, Nebula killed her “past” self and she was fine, because that was an alternate branch timeline version.

Stoner_bro2025-10-08 00:50

The question is about Steve's time travel. He's the same one, just older due to time spent with peggy from going back in time to be with her. Where he went, why and how are different questions.

Nebula isnt the same. We're not talking about a brach steve, if old steve got killed with peggy, no shild for sam. If young steve was killed, he'd have been dead.

FerrusManlyManus2025-10-08 01:01

Username checks out.

Far_Combination76392025-10-07 22:16

That version also gets thawed out, fights Thanos, goes back in time, and tries to stay with Peggy. Only now there are two Steves. That same process repeats several times until there are like 5 Steves all with Peggy, and at that point the are like, okay we gotta go kill this fucking Steve guy in the ice. So they all go blow up the Steve in the ice so the process stops repeating. Then they all live together in a kinky 6 way relationship. It actually works out pretty well - she’s called “Peggy” for a reason.

rvdp662025-10-07 22:17

If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future. And your former present becomes the past. Which can't now be changed by your new future. - Banner

Which creates a branch timeline we do not see. We see Steve's present in the MCU timeline, not the future with Peggy timeline which is never seen by the audience.

latestwonder2025-10-07 22:23

We do not know.

CelestialPurge2025-10-07 22:28

Pretty sure current Steve goes back in time to live with Peggy (in the shadows), while his other self is frozen. Frozen cap gets thawed, does the thing, goes back in time. Infinite loop. Old man Steve is aged current Steve that returns the shield. By this point he is the only Steve bc the younger him went back in time.

Morgoth18142025-10-07 22:35

The Steve who traveled back to 1945 is the same Steve throughout the Infinity Saga. He may have created an alternate timeline but there’s no alternate Steve. It’s still the main timeline Steve. Guessing the TVA allowed this so he could eventually give Sam the Shield.

I think the 2012 timeline was pruned by the TVA.

The 1945 version of Steve is still buried under the ice. So there were two Steve’s but assume everyone thought he made it out due do the main timeline Steve traveling to 1945.

beardiac2025-10-07 22:55

I'm going to pose this 2 ways - the way the writers have suggested things happened, and the way that doesn't break the time-travel rules they themselves established in the same movie.

When Steve-prime takes the stones & Mjolnir to return them, he stops in all the same places and times we'd seen them travel to and returns the stones where they found them. The second Steve he previously fought in 2012 (Steve-2) experienced everything we'd previously seen - was frozen from 1945-present, and then mirrored the MCU up to that fight scene. If the TVA's pruning works as it's suggested, that whole timeline ceased to exist shortly after that point and Steve-2 with it.

Steve then went back to be with Peggy - presumably some time after he was frozen. He then somehow laid low enough in this romantic stint that he caused no ripples and was able to ride through things in 616 without being discovered or altering events. So when we see Steve-prime leave on the platform and not come back, old Steve-prime was already sitting on that bench waiting for them to find him in the confusion of his apparent failed return.

Personally, I think the second part of that is BS. Whatever year he went to to live out his sublime life with Peggy would have been a divergence - not severe enough for the TVA to take issue with it, but enough that there was no way he could walk up to that bench in 2023 and it be the other side of their one and only chance for victory.

I think what more likely happened is that once Peggy died (possibly around the same time as she did in the prime timeline - during Civil War), he used that last bit of Pym particles to jump back to 616 - right *after* he had left it - and quietly took a seat on that bench. Just taking the time somewhere in that 70-80 years to have another shield made for Sam would have diverged the timeline as T'Challa would have known about it. But while he was with Peggy in that alternate timeline, whatever version of Steve belonged to it would have likely remained frozen for the same duration, and Steve-prime likely saw news of his Avengers activities in NYC and elsewhere in the news while enjoying growing old and not having to do any of it.

Caciulacdlac2025-10-07 22:58

The other Steve will just remain frozen in ice

SeekerVash2025-10-08 00:58

Marvel's treatment of time makes very little sense.

The bottom line is that there is a timeline in which there were two Captain Americas from 1945 - 2023. One we see throughout the movies, another that exists but is hidden.

It gets really creepy, because the hidden Steve is with Peggy after making out with her niece, who he helps raise despite knowing he'll eventually make out with her, and she knows that Steve is her Uncle before she makes out with him. To make it even worse, this hidden Steve apparently also abandons this niece he helped raise and made out with, as Falcon and the Winter Soldier can't happen unless *both* Steve's abandoned her.

Which is why Marvel really should've gone with the commonplace definition of Sci-Fi time, where actions in the past change the future and risk a paradox or infinite loop, or the less commonplace definition where actions in the past create a branch and cannot alter the present state, just create a parallel present state.

matty_nice2025-10-08 01:47

The more interesting question is what does he tell Peggy.

Option 1: The truth "I'm from the future/alternate dimension. I know what's going to happen, and I'm not going to do anything about it. Your Steve is still frozen somewhere and I'm not gonna help you find him".

Option 2: Lie.

AnyEmergency37922025-10-08 04:46

i always wondered like…
on Loki they talk about branches in timelines, like if you change something it creates a new timeline that doesn’t affect the Sacred Timeline, right?
but when Steve goes back and stays, it’s like this really big change

so why does he show up in the same timeline at old age? like i don’t get it

Visible_Safe_89012025-10-10 09:29

>it’s like this really big change

That's the point, it's not.

>so why does he show up in the same timeline at old age? like i don’t get it

Bcz he didn't change the past, he created a loop.

Visible_Safe_89012025-10-10 09:28

Assuming you're talking 2012 branch(which got pruned by the tva),2012 Steve is the future version 1945 steve. He meets a 2023 version of Steve from the sacred timeline.