How would you rank every character in the MCU who has had the Super Soldier Serum?
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NegativeChirality2025-10-07 06:58
Cap
Walker
Bucky
Isiah Bradley
The rest
The hulks
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Terrible flag smasher girl
(Ranked solely by how compelling of characters they are on screen)
Ordinary-Chain-80472025-10-07 07:01
Literally the Falcon and Winter Soldier show is good besides her
NegativeChirality2025-10-07 15:23
She was a black hole of anti charisma
Novel-Feed67962025-10-07 07:35
No Bob?
ComfortableTraffic122025-10-07 06:59
1. Bucky
2. Winter Soldier
3. James Buchanan Barnes
4. White Wolf
5. Bucky Barnes
Terrible-Baseball4812025-10-07 07:45
Meat rider, winter solider (pre-infinity war) is the only variation I’ll consider powerful
Jokingbutserious2025-10-07 09:05
Yes I would ride bucky but I'd still rank him top 5. Maybe even 3
BiscuitsAndMilk02025-10-07 11:39
We don't do that here.
joran2132025-10-07 08:09
You forgot congressman Barnes
troubleyoucalldeew2025-10-07 14:18
Even Congressman Barnes wants to forget Congressman Barnes.
wandamaximeow2025-10-07 13:42
Why can I only like that once?!?!
Sirius_Space2025-10-07 16:46
At first I was gonna bitch about how Sentry beats everyone and anyone who disagrees is just dumb, but I see what you’re doing. And I agree.
amishgoatfarm2025-10-07 18:04
I see what you did there.
ExampleGlum86232025-10-07 07:00
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that Thaddeus Ross has not had the super soldier serum.
Rainbow_Doggo_TNT2025-10-07 07:02
He had a combination of the Super Soldier Serum and gamma radiation just like Hulk and Abomination
ExampleGlum86232025-10-07 07:18
I thought the movie said he took pills to heal his heart that were laced with gamma radiation. After microdosing for years, he developed latent Hulk powers that needed to be triggered by extreme rage.
EightBiscuit012025-10-07 07:32
You’re right
Awkward-Speed-40802025-10-07 11:28
Unless I'm mistaken, Hulk never got the serum. He was created by gamma rays. Which Bruce used in an attempt to recreate the effects of the serum.
mpolo22042025-10-07 07:02
By characters I like the least to most
Karli Morgenthau
Captain Carter
Abomination
Red Guardian
Red Skull
Red Hulk
Isaiah Bradley
Sentry
Hulk
John Walker
Captain America
Bucky Barnes
Eminem7042025-10-07 08:04
Peak!
Buhos_En_Pantelones2025-10-07 07:03
I genuinely think John Walker is a more fun character on-screen than any of the others.
Eminem7042025-10-07 08:03
Now probably. I think if it was 2014 WS would still be better on-screen
InevitableWeight3142025-10-07 07:05
For just their characrers?
1. Cap
2. Bucky
3. John
4. Sentry
5. Hulk
6. Isaiah
7. Abomination
8. Alexei
9. Schmidt
10. Carter
11. Ross
12. Flagsmasher
Well now I look kind of sexist, but Flagsmasher was just a horrible villain and I’m still mad that Captain Carter stole like 5 episodes of what if, when we could have gotten ‘what if the other half got blipped’.
Big_Epsilon2025-10-07 07:11
I adore Isaiah, one of the best characters added in the last few years
MooreGold2025-10-07 07:11
In terms of Strength (not just physical, but abilities)? Sentry is number 1
facepalmtommy2025-10-07 07:13
1. Captain Carter
2. Karli Morgenthau
3. Bucky Barnes
And the rest are all equally as cute as each other
Stars_And_Garters2025-10-07 07:46
Chris Evans no cuter than Red Skull or Abomination is one helluva take.
amodsr2025-10-07 08:32
igby12025-10-07 07:16
We need a story where someone adds super serum to the water supply just to watch the ensuing chaos.
The_Orgin2025-10-07 07:33
When everyone's super... no one will be.
igby12025-10-07 07:38
Yeah but arguments between neighbors would be a whole lot more entertaining.
The_Orgin2025-10-07 07:42
I would be constantly hearing, "Honey? Where's my super suit?". It'll get annoying after some time.
CaledonianWarrior2025-10-07 09:15
"WHAT?"
The_Orgin2025-10-07 09:16
**Where is my super suit?**
CaledonianWarrior2025-10-07 09:18
"I, uh, put it away"
xxWolfMan1313xx2025-10-07 13:01
Where?!!
RowHard2025-10-07 07:39
Isn't that how we got all the inhumans in agents of shield?
igby12025-10-07 07:40
Dunno. Haven’t watched either.
Spicy_Weissy2025-10-07 09:31
Something like that.
Stride3452025-10-07 07:54
It’s kinda like season 3 of agents of shield. Not to spoil too much but a superpower activating material got released into the ocean leading to random people worldwide getting superpowers
It makes more sense and is less campy with the context of season 2
igby12025-10-07 07:59
Maybe it's time I get around to watching Agents of Shield. I recall trying to watch the first few episodes a while ago but they didn't grab me.
WD_G2025-10-07 08:02
Trust that it gets better as you go on
Stride3452025-10-07 11:19
The first season can feel like a more sci-fi NCIS. Episodic and loosely connected. It’s more about learning who the main characters of show are. Late season one is when things start to get pieced together and it takes off from there.
- Season 1 has a certain sparkly nostalgia to it that I never hear anyone complain about
- Seasons 2 and 4 are real top tier
- Seasons 3, 5, and 7 are pretty awesome too
- 6 wasn’t as great to me but there’s some diamond in the rough moments
WaffleHouseGladiator2025-10-07 08:52
Realistically giving everyone random superpowers would be kinda silly. "Congratulations! You have a superpower! .......but it's super flatulence."
Stride3452025-10-07 11:13
It’s not inherently random- if you want spoilers for the general premise:
>!The storyline of season 2 introduces inhumans. They’re humans whose ancestors were genetically altered by the Kree (Ronan from Guardians is kree) to become living weapons to use in their in galactic conquest.!<
>!The original test subjects passed down the genetic code for generations and people with the capability to unlock those powers are everywhere. The way they unlock is if a person is exposed to a specific crystal known as Terragen. !<
>!In the season 2 finale, a whole boatload of that stuff got released into the ocean and started unlocking abilities in people worldwide. !<
>!So it’s less random abilities and more random abilities specifically designed for battle!<
nikukuikuniniiku2025-10-07 11:19
Was that the one where Stan Lee's cameo has him drinking a spiked bottle of soda?
Stride3452025-10-07 11:21
No that’s in the Incredible Hulk 2008 where he drinks a tad of Bruce banners blood
The delivery system for this was that it dissolved in the water but concentrated into certain fish populations through biomagnification. So people who had fish oil or ate the fish directly
JackfruitPublic35722025-10-07 08:27
I had a feeling falcon and winter soldier had that in their story before the clear rewrites because covid made everyone sensitive about the pandemic style virus spread. That show got wrecked because of rewrites imo.
BeardySam2025-10-07 08:53
I never liked this “we have to choose who is good” mentality in MCU. It goes counter to my entire belief about captain America and democracy.
Steve rogers wasn’t some uniquely good man. He was decent, sure, but there are millions of decent Americans who would also do amazing things too, given his power. That’s why when we read comics as children we immediately put ourselves in their place and imagine ourselves doing these great feats, *we want to be like him*. The same thing applies in reverse, If you give power to someone who thinks ‘might makes right’ you will almost certainly get a villain - the one who kicks over the other children’s sandcastles. Superheroes reflect the human condition, and if MCU is afraid of giving ‘ordinary’ people powers it implies they’re afraid of human nature itself.
The whole point of classical superheroes and villains is they are ordinary citizens given power. Fundamentally, this is our democratic political system too. The idea that you need to carefully select who is suitable first is a misunderstanding of democracy and leads to imbalance.
And there is an analogy with political leadership here too. Instead of say, respecting cap as a fellow human, we laud him as some amazing unique person who could never be replaced, and if he were to go away the whole hierarchy would fail because of how special he is. In truth leaders are a dime a dozen, it’s the opportunity that is rare. We should not make our heroes so precious that we can’t live without them.
igby12025-10-07 08:58
So I take it that's a "yes" for "super serum in water supply".
BeardySam2025-10-07 09:03
Too targeted, put it in the ocean
igby12025-10-07 09:04
Have you seen Deep Blue Sea? Because that's how you get Deep Blue Sea.
burywmore2025-10-07 11:53
Except Steve Rogers IS uniquely good in both the comics and MCU. He has a pathological need to do the right thing in every situation. The first quarter of the original Captain America movie is all about that. He's shown to be very specifically NOT a dime a dozen.
None of the other Super Soldier serum takers have been shown to have this kind of moral compass.
The United States political system you talk about is filled with the right guy at the right time types, but unfortunately also wrong guy at the right time types. None of Lincoln's rivals for President had the right mentality or foresight to not only fight a civil war, but at the same time create and pass legislation ending slavery. We also get the unique situation of seeing exactly what happens when weaker men are brought in. 100 years of Jim Crow, and a nation that still struggles with much of this situation.
Your theory that leaders are a dime a dozen is true. The issue is, good leaders that puts the populaces interest over their own are exceedingly rare. Opportunity is not rare, it's always there, it's finding people that can do something with that opportunity that is becoming rarer and rarer. So yeah. Steve Rogers is uniquely qualified to be Captain America. Moreso than anyone else shown in the MCU.
BeardySam2025-10-07 14:35
I concede that the right person can make a big difference, but it’s not as important as you make it out to be. The ‘right guy at the right time’ is a quirk. Everyone is always at the right time because that’s what makes history, whilst a thousand non-events are forgotten. The only way of finding exceptional people is hindsight. Given this, we should not try to predict a messianic leader to achieve everything, but instead a good one to lead *for a limited time*. Roman consuls for example, had supreme authority but lasted one year each, and there were always two elected.
And yes Captain America is exceptional, he’s written that way. He has no other peers because they would spoil his narrative. I don’t think his actions are really that unique in my lived reality. As selfless and sincere and hardworking people are everywhere in life, by my estimation. A real-world MCU would have several Steve Rogers for every John Walker and I think that MCU focus a bit too much on the ‘super’ and not enough on the ‘hero’.
burywmore2025-10-07 14:56
>I concede that the right person can make a big difference, but it’s not as important as you make it out to be. The ‘right guy at the right time’ is a quirk. Everyone is always at the right time because that’s what makes history, whilst a thousand non-events are forgotten.
Except they aren't. It only seems that way because there are some very famous examples in history of Lincoln types. There are countless examples of moments in history where the right guy wasn't there, even though opportunities were plentiful. Maximus Thrax could have stabilized the Roman Empire, and instead his need for war and selfishness weakened the Empire and set it up for ultimate elimination. Nobody came along in the 100 years or so after him to save it, and we got the Middle Ages. Russian Czars, up to and including, Nicholas II let Russia decay and stagnate, allowing Lenin to take power and 70 years of the USSR ensues. Hitler rises to power in Germany because there was no good, strong leader to oppose him.
You underestimate how rare and aspirational true leaders are. There are many good, decent hard working people, but almost none of them are so sure of their convictions that they naturally inspire people to follow them, while always having those people's best interests at heart.
HerrPizza2025-10-07 09:56
That sounds just like the beginning of Agents of Shield season 3
LaylaLegion2025-10-07 13:20
That’s just the AoS Inhumans fish pill thing with extra steps.
Strong_Schedule54662025-10-07 14:44
What If Season 4
Just-Antelope-80692025-10-07 15:34
Like when Stan Lee drank that soda
IMightBeWrong_12025-10-07 19:15
There's a Spider-Man event where everyone in New York City got his powers alongside him, and chaos ensued.
igby12025-10-07 19:22
You mean a story from the comics?
IMightBeWrong_12025-10-07 19:27
Yeah, I think it was called Spider Island.
Iamtherealbuk2025-10-07 07:25
This post is missing the handful of frozen hydra super soldiers that Zemo took out
Rainbow_Doggo_TNT2025-10-07 07:27
I didn't include those because we don't really know anything about them
Iamtherealbuk2025-10-07 07:32
I mean we know they’re a Super elite killing squad, they gave the winter solider a hard time in combat, they could topple an entire government in one night, and they were created with the Howard stark serum
GrayGuard972025-10-07 11:09
That’s a lot of good info
A_Serious_House2025-10-07 07:26
Would Todd / Leader / She-Hulk count? I think Todd got a direct Hulk-serum while Leader and She-Hulk just got an indirect hit from being in contact.
Rainbow_Doggo_TNT2025-10-07 07:35
Not sure if She Hulk counts since it's Hulk's blood rather than the serum being injected directly. Leader was exposed to gamma radiation but never received the Super Soldier Serum. I believe Todd is the only one who actually got the serum that I forgot to include, that's my bad
Character_Mind_6712025-10-07 07:46
They all count.
A_Serious_House2025-10-07 07:53
Well, Todd got a version of the serum mixed with She-Hulk’s blood, so I feel like She-Hulk also counts: she got the version of the serum Bruce got, only mixed with his blood.
JBTriple2025-10-07 08:21
Okay then John Walker and the Flag Smashers don't count since that's Isaiah Bradley's blood.
DGSmith22025-10-07 08:56
Hulk wouldn’t count then as he wasn’t injected with super serum he was hit with gamma rays.
JDeegs2025-10-07 15:26
He did take the serum; he used gamma rays in place of the vita rays that stark used on cap.
ComplexTable71502025-10-07 07:27
Luke Cage?!?!
Comfortable-Job71032025-10-07 07:35
He didn’t get the super soldier serum, he was experimented on with high concentration acid.
ComplexTable71502025-10-07 07:36
Okay well neither did Red Hulk or Bruce? Ross took Gamma irradiated pills and Bruce was just pure radiation so.
Rainbow_Doggo_TNT2025-10-07 07:45
All three of them had a combination of the Super Soldier Serum and gamma radiation
Comfortable-Job71032025-10-07 09:26
I didn’t say they did lol (but Bruce did get Super Soldier serum in the movie).
EightBiscuit012025-10-07 07:32
Steve
John
Bucky
Everyone else
Eminem7042025-10-07 08:02
John above Bucky? Wow. That's controversial. Why out of curiosity?
Klangaxx2025-10-07 07:34
Based on Thunderbolts, Sentry is basically unstoppable. Superman levels of powerful. I don't think anyone else here compares.
As super soldier serum makes you strong and faster etc, I didn't understand how it gave him legit superpowers like flight and warp speed.
Rainbow_Doggo_TNT2025-10-07 07:40
He was given a version of the serum called the Golden Sentry Serum. It was designed to be a much much stronger version of the one Cap was given
TheDarkAcademicRO2025-10-07 13:32
What did they make it from, though? Infinity stone dust?
NimNams2025-10-07 15:44
We have no idea what it’s made from. But the fact that he got it means that it’s possible to make.
Sorry-Engineer88542025-10-07 15:44
That probably makes more sense than the actual answer
The_Unknown_Dude2025-10-07 15:59
..... that would have been the one damn redeeming point of Secret Invasion where at the end they end up with a serum filled with powers based of blood samples gathered at the final battle of Endgame.
If Sentry's thing was a refined version of it.
Responsible_Egg75192025-10-07 16:53
Instead we have Gi’ah running around now
thinkinting2025-10-07 16:13
This is my tiny gripe about MCU sentry. It’s too magical and powerful for a earth-science based power
BartleBossy2025-10-07 17:11
> As super soldier serum makes you strong and faster etc, I didn't understand how it gave him legit superpowers like flight and warp speed.
Bob is a small-scale reality Warper... with ostensibly schizophrenia.
He has *those powers* because *those are the powers he thinks a hero would have.*
The same reason The Void has the powers *it has*.... is because those are the terrifying powers *that Bob unconsciously thinks a villain would have*.
BlackBRocket2025-10-07 07:36
- Sentry
- Hulk
- Red Hulk
- Abomination
- Captain Carter
- Captain America
- Winter soldier
- Red skull
- Red Guardian
- US Agent
- Bradley
- Flagsmasher
Strongest to weakest in my head
PlayWhatYouWant2025-10-07 11:08
I just rewatched Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It was better than I remembered but my memory was right about one thing: I hate Karli Morgenthau. She is the worst thing about the series and the MCU's worst antagonist. You were right to put her at the bottom.
BlackBRocket2025-10-07 12:35
I also feel for a super soldier she didnt do much
Garlan_Tyrell2025-10-07 18:44
She’s also the only one besides Banner Hulk & Sentry who doesn’t have formal combat training.
But those two are next level in the magnitude of the powers compared to the “peak human” super soldiers
She also dies to a single gunshot, when Steve Rogers was surviving Chitari lasers to the torso in Avengers (2012) and survived multiple .45 bullets to the torso in the climax of Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
And not to keep piling on, but the Flag Smashers only beat the hero/anti hero team up when Bucky was the only super soldier, by sheer force of numbers.
Once they figured out Walker also had the serum, pretty much every combat encounter had them running away at the end (if not defeated).
Longjumping-Part39832025-10-07 14:44
Wait... Captain Cater is stronger than Captain America?
Cater of the MCU What if or which Cater.
Am genuine asking to know. Evidence would be appreciated.
BlackBRocket2025-10-07 18:50
Maybe not the one we saw in the dr strange movie but the one from what if seems very strong. Also this isn't a list made with alot of research to be very honest. Its how I think it would be. To be honest I even forgot to put Carter and Red Skull in until I checked the picture again, then added them to where I think they'd fit.
If we take the Captain Carter from the Dr Stramge mivie I'd maybe place her just below US agent (John Walker) as she insta died while Walker did tank a few Sentry hits. (Even if Sentry maybe wasnt trying to kill them)
ugluk-the-uruk2025-10-07 07:49
Rank what? How good of a character they are? How strong they are?
Rainbow_Doggo_TNT2025-10-07 07:53
How strong they are was what I was going for but it's not limited to that
JDeegs2025-10-07 15:27
Then you may as well not make the post since sentry solos everyone with ease lol
Justinwc2025-10-07 16:37
It wasn't asking for who's the very best though, but a ranking. This means going down through the whole list from strongest to weakest.
tommyleelynn2025-10-07 08:00
Missing the Panthers: T’Chaka, T’Challa, Killmonger, Shuri
nicolascagessock2025-10-07 08:21
if its from my favorite, bucky would be at the top. by stength, idfk
Ambitious-Pirate-5052025-10-07 08:39
Hulk does not have the serum.
VinnyLT2025-10-07 08:46
Hulk has never had super soldier serum. He was in a gamma explosion.
jim91622025-10-07 08:48
Whatever the rankings, the flag smashers are last.
DoubleAdvance91852025-10-07 09:51
1. Bucky Barnes - strong, brave, heroic, all around absolute goat.
2. Steve Rogers - iconic, brave, perfect example of an american nation as a whole.
3. Alexey - funny, has interesting backstory, I really relate to him as Russian myself.
4. John Walker - complicated but very interesting character, was a total blast in Thunderbolts.
5. Hulk - iconic, but kinda lost his charm over the years.
6. Sentry - funny and great guy, just doesn't have enough screen time.
7. Isayah Breadly - should have been the protagonist if FATWS. Really underrated, yet again not much screen time.
8. Ross - asshole, but was at leastly mildly interesting in brave new world.
9. Red Skull - lame villain, but at least has good design.
10. Carli Morgentau - boring character with stupid arc.
11. Abomination - same as Karli but less screen time.
12. Captain Carter - is just kinda there and never did anything.
Idk who is the last guy
Arkanderous2025-10-07 09:56
Isaiah Bradley has the best voice.
GrayGuard972025-10-07 11:06
You’re missing a few flag smashers
… oh and Stan Lee
The_Sleeper_Gthc2025-10-07 12:37
Also missing Green Goblin, his goblin serum is an attempt to replicatie Cap's serum
BravoLeader30002025-10-07 13:04
It was an attempt at making a supersoldier serum, but nothing to do with Erskine, since the Raimi-verse didn't have Cap in it.
MysteriousEssay57092025-10-07 12:44
Everyone else > flagsmasher.
A colonoscopy > flagsmasher.
BravoLeader30002025-10-07 12:55
Val experimented on Bob but was it really an attempt to replicate Erskine's serum? Maybe I'm forgetting something, but with as powerful as Sentry is, I don't think he counts as a supersoldier. (Also, he's not even a soldier.)
Muhaisin352025-10-07 13:10
Step the Capt will lead the race
LaylaLegion2025-10-07 13:19
Put Black Widow on there. We all know Nat has taken way too many hits to think she’s NOT serumed up as well.
MemoryLaps2025-10-07 13:30
I'm so glad flagsmasher is at the bottom of so many lists.
CaleBoi252025-10-07 13:36
It been a while since I watched tFatWS, can someone give me a recap on why ppl hate Karli so much?!
Alpha8592025-10-07 13:53
Weren’t there a few more flag smashers?
Mr_No_Post2025-10-07 14:34
Probably from 1 to 12 as there are 12 of them. I think that would make the most sense
beardiac2025-10-07 15:26
1. Steve Rogers
2. Peggy Carter
3. Bruce Banner
4. Bucky Barnes
5. Alexei Shostakov
6. Isaiah Bradley
7. Karli Morganthau
8. John Walker
9. Bob Reynolds
10. Emil Blonsky
11. Johann Schmidt
12. Thaddeus Ross
In order by their *Good Place* scores.
T3NGU2025-10-07 15:45
Bucky best, f the rest.
skullshatter01232025-10-07 15:50
Red hulk kn the MCU? Which movie is that from?
EyeAmBack2025-10-07 16:27
Rank as in how? There are multiple different ways we could rank them but we need context first.
BartleBossy2025-10-07 17:07
Ranked by their MCU portrayal:
Sentry >> Cap > Bucky > Redskull/USAgent > Abomination > Captain Carter > RedHulk > Bradley/Karli > Hulk > Red Guardian.
BartleBossy2025-10-07 17:07
Sentry > >
Responsible_Egg75192025-10-07 17:08
**By threat level:**
Bob / Sentry
Bruce / Hulk
Ross / Red Hulk
Blonsky / Abomination
Steve / Captain America
Bucky / The Winter Soldier (TBD?)
John / U.S. Agent
Peggy / Captain Carter (I’ve only seen her in MoM so I’m going off that)
Alexei / Red Guardian
Isaiah
Red Skull
Karli
**By how much I like them:**
Bob
Bucky
Steve
John
Bruce
Alexei
Isaiah
Peggy
Ross
Karli
Red Skull
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Walker
Bucky
Isiah Bradley
The rest
The hulks
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Terrible flag smasher girl
(Ranked solely by how compelling of characters they are on screen)
2. Winter Soldier
3. James Buchanan Barnes
4. White Wolf
5. Bucky Barnes
Karli Morgenthau
Captain Carter
Abomination
Red Guardian
Red Skull
Red Hulk
Isaiah Bradley
Sentry
Hulk
John Walker
Captain America
Bucky Barnes
1. Cap
2. Bucky
3. John
4. Sentry
5. Hulk
6. Isaiah
7. Abomination
8. Alexei
9. Schmidt
10. Carter
11. Ross
12. Flagsmasher
Well now I look kind of sexist, but Flagsmasher was just a horrible villain and I’m still mad that Captain Carter stole like 5 episodes of what if, when we could have gotten ‘what if the other half got blipped’.
2. Karli Morgenthau
3. Bucky Barnes
And the rest are all equally as cute as each other
It makes more sense and is less campy with the context of season 2
- Season 1 has a certain sparkly nostalgia to it that I never hear anyone complain about
- Seasons 2 and 4 are real top tier
- Seasons 3, 5, and 7 are pretty awesome too
- 6 wasn’t as great to me but there’s some diamond in the rough moments
>!The storyline of season 2 introduces inhumans. They’re humans whose ancestors were genetically altered by the Kree (Ronan from Guardians is kree) to become living weapons to use in their in galactic conquest.!<
>!The original test subjects passed down the genetic code for generations and people with the capability to unlock those powers are everywhere. The way they unlock is if a person is exposed to a specific crystal known as Terragen. !<
>!In the season 2 finale, a whole boatload of that stuff got released into the ocean and started unlocking abilities in people worldwide. !<
>!So it’s less random abilities and more random abilities specifically designed for battle!<
The delivery system for this was that it dissolved in the water but concentrated into certain fish populations through biomagnification. So people who had fish oil or ate the fish directly
Steve rogers wasn’t some uniquely good man. He was decent, sure, but there are millions of decent Americans who would also do amazing things too, given his power. That’s why when we read comics as children we immediately put ourselves in their place and imagine ourselves doing these great feats, *we want to be like him*. The same thing applies in reverse, If you give power to someone who thinks ‘might makes right’ you will almost certainly get a villain - the one who kicks over the other children’s sandcastles. Superheroes reflect the human condition, and if MCU is afraid of giving ‘ordinary’ people powers it implies they’re afraid of human nature itself.
The whole point of classical superheroes and villains is they are ordinary citizens given power. Fundamentally, this is our democratic political system too. The idea that you need to carefully select who is suitable first is a misunderstanding of democracy and leads to imbalance.
And there is an analogy with political leadership here too. Instead of say, respecting cap as a fellow human, we laud him as some amazing unique person who could never be replaced, and if he were to go away the whole hierarchy would fail because of how special he is. In truth leaders are a dime a dozen, it’s the opportunity that is rare. We should not make our heroes so precious that we can’t live without them.
None of the other Super Soldier serum takers have been shown to have this kind of moral compass.
The United States political system you talk about is filled with the right guy at the right time types, but unfortunately also wrong guy at the right time types. None of Lincoln's rivals for President had the right mentality or foresight to not only fight a civil war, but at the same time create and pass legislation ending slavery. We also get the unique situation of seeing exactly what happens when weaker men are brought in. 100 years of Jim Crow, and a nation that still struggles with much of this situation.
Your theory that leaders are a dime a dozen is true. The issue is, good leaders that puts the populaces interest over their own are exceedingly rare. Opportunity is not rare, it's always there, it's finding people that can do something with that opportunity that is becoming rarer and rarer. So yeah. Steve Rogers is uniquely qualified to be Captain America. Moreso than anyone else shown in the MCU.
And yes Captain America is exceptional, he’s written that way. He has no other peers because they would spoil his narrative. I don’t think his actions are really that unique in my lived reality. As selfless and sincere and hardworking people are everywhere in life, by my estimation. A real-world MCU would have several Steve Rogers for every John Walker and I think that MCU focus a bit too much on the ‘super’ and not enough on the ‘hero’.
Except they aren't. It only seems that way because there are some very famous examples in history of Lincoln types. There are countless examples of moments in history where the right guy wasn't there, even though opportunities were plentiful. Maximus Thrax could have stabilized the Roman Empire, and instead his need for war and selfishness weakened the Empire and set it up for ultimate elimination. Nobody came along in the 100 years or so after him to save it, and we got the Middle Ages. Russian Czars, up to and including, Nicholas II let Russia decay and stagnate, allowing Lenin to take power and 70 years of the USSR ensues. Hitler rises to power in Germany because there was no good, strong leader to oppose him.
You underestimate how rare and aspirational true leaders are. There are many good, decent hard working people, but almost none of them are so sure of their convictions that they naturally inspire people to follow them, while always having those people's best interests at heart.
John
Bucky
Everyone else
As super soldier serum makes you strong and faster etc, I didn't understand how it gave him legit superpowers like flight and warp speed.
If Sentry's thing was a refined version of it.
Bob is a small-scale reality Warper... with ostensibly schizophrenia.
He has *those powers* because *those are the powers he thinks a hero would have.*
The same reason The Void has the powers *it has*.... is because those are the terrifying powers *that Bob unconsciously thinks a villain would have*.
- Hulk
- Red Hulk
- Abomination
- Captain Carter
- Captain America
- Winter soldier
- Red skull
- Red Guardian
- US Agent
- Bradley
- Flagsmasher
Strongest to weakest in my head
But those two are next level in the magnitude of the powers compared to the “peak human” super soldiers
She also dies to a single gunshot, when Steve Rogers was surviving Chitari lasers to the torso in Avengers (2012) and survived multiple .45 bullets to the torso in the climax of Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
And not to keep piling on, but the Flag Smashers only beat the hero/anti hero team up when Bucky was the only super soldier, by sheer force of numbers.
Once they figured out Walker also had the serum, pretty much every combat encounter had them running away at the end (if not defeated).
Cater of the MCU What if or which Cater.
Am genuine asking to know. Evidence would be appreciated.
If we take the Captain Carter from the Dr Stramge mivie I'd maybe place her just below US agent (John Walker) as she insta died while Walker did tank a few Sentry hits. (Even if Sentry maybe wasnt trying to kill them)
2. Steve Rogers - iconic, brave, perfect example of an american nation as a whole.
3. Alexey - funny, has interesting backstory, I really relate to him as Russian myself.
4. John Walker - complicated but very interesting character, was a total blast in Thunderbolts.
5. Hulk - iconic, but kinda lost his charm over the years.
6. Sentry - funny and great guy, just doesn't have enough screen time.
7. Isayah Breadly - should have been the protagonist if FATWS. Really underrated, yet again not much screen time.
8. Ross - asshole, but was at leastly mildly interesting in brave new world.
9. Red Skull - lame villain, but at least has good design.
10. Carli Morgentau - boring character with stupid arc.
11. Abomination - same as Karli but less screen time.
12. Captain Carter - is just kinda there and never did anything.
Idk who is the last guy
… oh and Stan Lee
A colonoscopy > flagsmasher.
2. Peggy Carter
3. Bruce Banner
4. Bucky Barnes
5. Alexei Shostakov
6. Isaiah Bradley
7. Karli Morganthau
8. John Walker
9. Bob Reynolds
10. Emil Blonsky
11. Johann Schmidt
12. Thaddeus Ross
In order by their *Good Place* scores.
Sentry >> Cap > Bucky > Redskull/USAgent > Abomination > Captain Carter > RedHulk > Bradley/Karli > Hulk > Red Guardian.
Bob / Sentry
Bruce / Hulk
Ross / Red Hulk
Blonsky / Abomination
Steve / Captain America
Bucky / The Winter Soldier (TBD?)
John / U.S. Agent
Peggy / Captain Carter (I’ve only seen her in MoM so I’m going off that)
Alexei / Red Guardian
Isaiah
Red Skull
Karli
**By how much I like them:**
Bob
Bucky
Steve
John
Bruce
Alexei
Isaiah
Peggy
Ross
Karli
Red Skull
If you're asking an open-ended question, try to add your own personal answer and the reasoning.