Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Not new in the marvel universe but really a beginner when it comes to clues or connections but like the whole point of this movie was Wanda looking for her children right? Trying to bring them back in her own universe and every universe they are present just not in the same way but my question is

Where was Vision in the universe she visited? Or did i just miss things. Genuinely asking!

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crumbsalt2025-10-06 08:15

Maybe Vision wasn’t her husband in that universe. Perhaps she just had a normal relationship with a normal human?

Also, something that was brought up to me- Ultron bots protect the Illuminati, so maybe that implies Ultron never went bad = Vision never needed

DogInevitable27792025-10-06 08:18

Oh that does make sense with vision wasnt needed but i thought the boys wouldnt exist the same way since vision wasnt their father? Or am i mixing multiverse theories in my head rn 😭

crumbsalt2025-10-06 08:21

What makes the boys the boys is Wanda, really. Magic powers and speed powers.. both traits from her and Pietro. So.. no, Vision isn’t necessarily NEEDED for the boys to exist, really

Remember, in an infinite multiverse, there are infinite possibilities.. there’s a universe where Wanda hooked up with Hawkeye and got Billy and Tommy I’m sure 😭

DogInevitable27792025-10-06 08:29

I forgot about the hawkeye one 😭 that shocked me fr

Thomas_JCG2025-10-06 11:39

The childreb were conceived through Wanda's magic, Vision had nothing to do with them (as the Vision at the time was also a creation of Wanda)

Defiant_Wheel48882025-10-06 13:09

look like elizebeth answer in a interview

Extra_Age25052025-10-06 08:25

No, she wanted to replace another Wanda and live in that universe with that Wanda’s children, not bring them back to her home universe. As for where Vision was in the one universe she went to, no idea. No Vision, no brother, no parents. Only the children matter. You’d think there were an infinite number of universes that had a Vision and a Pietro and her parent that she could have gone to instead. Or maybe do the Rick and Morty thing and go to a universe where the Wanda in it has recently died and MCU Wanda can just slot into that world without killing anyone else. I really don’t know why Wanda was so fixated on that particular universe when there would be an infinite number of others that would be better

DogInevitable27792025-10-06 08:31

Maybe it was for the plot because a universe without wanda but has the boys would have been possible fr 😭

Extra_Age25052025-10-06 08:38

Honestly, I don’t think that Multiverse of Madness really handles the concept of the multiverse being infinite well at all. I also don’t think it’s a well-written film overall in so many ways but that’s a different topic

Thomas_JCG2025-10-06 11:37

Nowhere it said she wanted to take over another Wanda's life, she used another Wanda body to Dreamwalk, that's it. Her goal was always to bring her children back and keep America's powers for herself.

Extra_Age25052025-10-06 12:50

When Strange first talks to Wanda and she reveals that she’s the one chasing America, she says “I'm going to leave this reality, and go to one where I can be with my children“ and “Return to Kamar-Taj, and prepare to hand over America Chavez by sundown. Peacefully. After that... You'll never see me again.” Wanda plans to stay in another universe

Later, during the attack on Kamar Taj, Strange asks her “What if you reach them? What happens to the other you? What happens to their mother?” Strange knows that Wanda will have to deal with the other Wanda. And Wanda doesn’t answer his question or explain that she’s not staying on the other universe

Later still, when Wanda has captured America, America says that Wanda’s children wouldn’t want this and Wanda says that they’ll never know. Meaning that Wanda isn’t expecting to take them back to her universe because then they’ll know, she clearly plans to take over the other Wanda’s life

Wanda absolutely plans to stay in the other universe and take over the other Wanda’s life. Why do you think she wanted to come back to her universe?

ProductArizona2025-10-06 17:31

I thought it was pretty clear that she intended to leave her reality for another

H3li0s12012025-10-06 14:01

Well, I don’t think that anyone in the Marvel universe can dream/see worlds where the multiversal counterpart of them is dead. Making it so that they can’t really know that a universe like that exists or where it is if it does. Our Strange’s dream at the beginning did end after the Strange variant who had been with America died. Reed did say to Strange that making a big enough footprint in another universe would be enough to cause an incursion, so it’s not really clear if Wanda could have stayed in an alternate dimension like the one you described even if she had found one.

Regarding everyone else outside of the twins, I think that WandaVision had sort of been about Wanda accepting what had happened to those she had lost up to that point. While it was primarily about Vision, we did also see her grief over Pietro and some briefly for her parents (in the flashback). I mean, she wanted her brother back so badly that she had believed in Fietro.

The twins, though, were a fresh wound that hadn’t really started to heal when the Darkhold got into her head. I do have a sort of headcanon that the Darkhold chose that world because it presented the least risk to its corruption being broken. Particularly since those like Pietro or Vision would’ve been likely to get through to Wanda.

Though I think I’m giving the writer(s) too much credit with the Darkhold basically being used as a plot device with pretty much no collaboration with the team from WV. MoM was probably just taking aspects of Disassembled and inserting the multiverse into it, the Avengers just not being part of the story.

Extra_Age25052025-10-06 14:23

If the Darkhold can show Wanda other universes where she has those children, it can show her universes where the Wanda has recently died. What the Darkhold can do is really up to the writer and there’s nothing established to say that it can’t show worlds of recently dead Wandas. An incursion would have likely destroyed one or both universes anyway, even if she did replace an already dead Wanda. But Wanda never even found out about incursions in the film anyway. I just think that Wanda could have gone about things in a better way if she really wanted the kids

Regarding Vision, Pietro and her parents, I just think it’s odd that there’s nothing on them than in Wanda’s motivations. The children she made up are more important than the lover and brother she had actual history with? There’s no mention of them anywhere, beyond a line referencing Vision

The Darkhold’s corruptive effect, especially on Wanda, is inconsistent and not treated particularly seriously (stabbing it with a knife instantly destroys the entire thing, which makes it more fragile and easier to destroy than a regular book) so I don’t think the writer put much thought into making it make sense

H3li0s12012025-10-06 14:47

Believe me, I have the same frustrations with you regarding the writing in the movie. Though I think that the only reason that Sara’s (magical?) dagger really worked is probably because it was a copy. I imagine that Wundagore in particular (given that it’s regarded as the original and is implied to be the source of power for every copy) was only able to be destroyed by Wanda similarly to how she was able to destroy the Mind Stone. Given that the author of the book is supposed to use Chaos Magic like she does. I don’t think that the Sorcerers would’ve left that place standing if they could help it.

However, in Agents of SHIELD, the book(s) did seem to have some level of sentience, more or less like the One Ring. It was able to change the contents of its pages, basically reading the mind of who used it. If MoM followed that even a little, it is perhaps likely that it or the author deliberately hid worlds like that from Wanda. Granted, I think that show did a lot better in establishing the evil of the book, particularly with the insanity it instills with the readers, as well as the obsession over itself in their minds. I mean, the entirety of Season 4 happened pretty much because of that thing and how it affected people (the Bauers, Elias Morrow, Holden Radcliffe, AIDA).

But yeah, in Disassembled, it was pretty much all about the twins. Pretty sure that Vision (I think it was after he had died, came back, and broke up with her) was one of those who died in that story. Losing your kids is pretty much shattering on its own to a parent, no matter how long they had them. Being the one who had essentially caused their deaths along with how it seemed like she only got those happy dreams with them every night after WandaVision (have a feeling that the Darkhold also had something to do with that)? All of that combined with that book being in her head.

baltinerdist2025-10-06 16:02

In an infinite multiverse, there would literally be one where the entire arc of the universe was that at a given moment in time, a Wanda from Earth-616 was supposed to come to that universe and become that universe's Wanda with her children, absolutely no harm coming to anyone in the process. But that doesn't make for good filmmaking.

WishbonePrior93772025-10-07 02:23

I’m agreeing with you- Isn’t that what was established in D&W? I mean, Wades universe was collapsing because his anchor being died, and he scoured the multiverse looking for just the right fill in who he could bring to his universe and set it back on track- which says nothing about the universe he pulled that Wolverine from- and somehow everything is made whole again- and despite him changing things with Cable’s time travel device modified, the TVA says they didn’t care and that the stuff he did was okay.
All of this I say to point out that Wanda might’ve pulled it off if Strange didn’t stop her, without forcing an incursion, and there might be infinite universes, but really only a handful that even came close enough to being useable in the way you want, or need them to be (again D&W - he really sorta settled on that Logan).

ClownsAteMyBaby2025-10-06 12:48

Vision is a robot and cannot father children. In Wandavision, she created those children using her chaos magic within the illusion she created. MoM seemed to imply she'd created them based off their appearance within another multiverse, and she was seeking one of those multiverses to get them for real. Visions presence isn't necessary for their existence, as he's a robot.

Hedgewitch2502025-10-07 00:59

Vision wasn’t shown so there’s many interpretations. Maybe he was the dad or someone else.

Wanda was corrupted by the darkhold so she was too far gone to reason with so her plan was a very extreme and poorly thought goal to take over a happier Wanda’s life and live there with her variants children

Grayx_28872025-10-07 17:49

The Wanda Maximoff from Earth-838 (the one who is seen raising Billy and Tommy all by herself) is either a widow or divorced. They don't want to mention anything about her boys having a father in their lives or the fact that she was already married in the past during this movie, and that is very sad.

So, if you're a father, you need to do whatever it takes to be a part of your kids' lives. Even if you have to fight the judicial system or find a loophole to regain custody of your kids. If you don't have kids, then that's a different story.

AdditionalBanana95852025-10-12 21:18

The writer probably didn't care. Marvel initially envisioned Wanda to be an ally who would slowly go bad but in a later project. It was the writer's idea to just jump to her being the villain, with no real care for set up. So it very much came off as him not caring for the history of the character and thus not having Vision.