Civil War: Why didn’t anyone call Ross out when h was blaming the Avengers?

In Civil War, Ross is talking to the team about the Sokovia Accords. He points to the events in New York, DC, Sokovia and Lagos as reasons why the Avengers need to be kept in check. The issue? New York and DC were not the fault of the Avengers.

New York was Shield’s fault. They were messing with the Tessect and drew the attention of Thanos and Loki. Shield even tried to nuke NYC during the invasion and would have if the Avengers hadn’t been there. No Avengers means either a successful invasion or a nuked NYC.

DC was Sheild’s fault too. Hydra was able to grow within their midst and Fury didn’t even have a real plan in place to deal with the weirdness going on. No Avengers means Hydra wipes out millions of people and takes over the world.

Sokovia was full on the team’s fault because they created Ultron. Lagos was the team’s fault because if they weren’t there, Rumlow wouldn’t have tried to blow himself up.

I get that this is a common trope in comics that world leaders use against heroes. Someone still should have spoken up about NY and DC though.

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ForceSmuggler2025-10-06 07:49

Because they wouldn't have a movie then.

DefNotAShark2025-10-06 07:52

He isn’t showing them the events because he thinks it’s their fault. He’s showing them the events because people died on their watch and they arent accountable for it. His point is that they need oversight to minimize the collateral damage they’re creating.

repalec2025-10-06 08:19

Not only the collateral damage but the potential political blowback as well - taking Civil War's events themselves into account here, just think of the political shitstorm that occurred with the Avengers seemingly unilaterally deciding to carry out a military operation on foreign soil that then resulted in the bombing of an office building and several innocent deaths.

SERGIONOLAN2025-10-08 23:16

Yeah, imagine if what happened in Lagos, happened in Moscow or Beijing.

SisterOfBattIe2025-10-06 08:39

Yup, the accords are all about giving sovereign nations a say in super heroes being fdeployed in their border to fight super villains. It's not unreasonable.

SuperScoobkaroke2025-10-06 07:52

I think after the aftermath of Lagos most of the Avengers weren't thinking clearly enough to defend themselves. Especially when that woman got in Tony's head.

rexepic75672025-10-06 09:18

That woman created a fucking domino effect

Realistic_Analyst_262025-10-06 07:56

Because Ross wasn’t the one who came up with the accords, the UN did. He was merely a messenger.

CCGplayer642025-10-06 07:59

It’s even worse than that. It wasn’t just shield— it was the world defense council, of which the strongest nations in the UN had sitting members. They were going to nuke NYC. One of their members was actually Hydra.

ModernBass2025-10-06 08:00

Well...New York was kinda all Loki's fault, and he was the brother of one of the avengers. He literally did it because of his family issues. Also, Hawkeye was part of the team messing with the tesseract too. And even beyond that, Loki's whole plan came to be because he manipulated the Avengers, specifically Hulk and Hawkeye. Without them, I don't think he ever would have gotten the portal open in time.

And as for D.C., the winter soldier was Cap's best friend, Tony Stark helped design the giant ass weapon, and I feel like we're glossing over the fact that at the time 3 out of the six OG avengers WERE shield agents at the time, 4 is you count Fury. Now that Shield is gone, they need to hold somebody liable in the public eye to make civilians feel safe.
(Also this incident leaked the files on what Black Widow did, which probably terrified the public)

matty_nice2025-10-06 08:22

Given that you think Lagos and Sokovia were the fault of the Avengers....

You wanted someone to say " technically we aren't responsible for all of those deaths and mass destruction, only part of it"?

That's a really bad argument for them to make.

Left_Maize8162025-10-06 08:57

If we weren’t involved in New York, the city would have been leveled and then nuked. Not to mention what happens when the alien invasion spread outwards. If Captain America wouldn’t have stopped Hydra in Washington, they would have killed millions of people.

ParkerLF2025-10-06 08:52

He was there as a representative of not only the US government, but over 100 COUNTRIES in the UN. Changing his mind wouldn’t do anything, he’s just the messenger. With politics it doesn’t even matter if he was wrong, what matters is what the UN leaders and their voters care about, which is all about optics. It doesn’t matter if those events weren’t the avengers fault, they’re bad optics.

VengeanceKnight2025-10-06 09:01

Also Ross giving them shit for losing track of Hulk and comparing it to losing track of WMDs is hilarious. Motherfucker, remind me again who oversaw the project that created the Hulk and then proceeded to lose track of him?

DoubleStrength2025-10-06 09:21

The *audience* knows it wasn't the Avengers' "fault", but the civilian population in-universe aren't exactly privy to that information.

Ranos1312025-10-06 11:58

All of Shield’s files were released by Black Widow during Winter Soldier. So the details of everything that happened leading up to and during the battle of New York would have been public knowledge as would everything leading up to what happened in DC.

MarcSpector17012025-10-06 16:40

Tony was the one who should have been called out. Someone should have mentioned to Mister "We need to be put in check" that he's the one who secretly created a killer robot that destroyed an entire country and nearly wiped out humanity.

SERGIONOLAN2025-10-08 23:18

After Wanda put the vision in his head that caused that.

So she is to blame not Tony.

SERGIONOLAN2025-10-08 23:15

Because Ross was right, the Avengers had been operating with unlimited power and no supervision, no oversight.

They need to answer to someone in authority, chain of command.

Before something like Lagos happened again, only worse with more civilians dying, that could have been prevented or lowered of the Avengers worked with local authorities to contain the situation.