The Thunderbolts Are Not All That Sympathetic
For one reason. They’re assassins.
I’m not a “heroes don’t kill.” I’m a “murder is one of the worst things a human can do” person.
People Ignore or forget that The Thunderbolts (Four of them including Taskmaster) are Assassins and that automatically makes them less sympathetic.
Let’s remember John Walker’s “I’m back” means that he thinks being an assassin is “being back”.
The movie is about them feeling like they’re less than shit and they feel stuck, but they’re not stuck being assassins. They chose to be. They’re not stuck in circumstances. A lot of stories that have a similar premise make the characters sympathetic by establishing they have no choice but to stay. John Wick is an example. He caused his problems with his wrath, by the high table also won’t let him go. And I’m not even a big John Wick fan.
They could easily be a poor vigilante like Spider-Man or Daredevil, but they don’t.
Natasha Romanoff is a more sympathetic and understandable depressed character and I thought she was bland.
I’m not a “heroes don’t kill.” I’m a “murder is one of the worst things a human can do” person.
People Ignore or forget that The Thunderbolts (Four of them including Taskmaster) are Assassins and that automatically makes them less sympathetic.
Let’s remember John Walker’s “I’m back” means that he thinks being an assassin is “being back”.
The movie is about them feeling like they’re less than shit and they feel stuck, but they’re not stuck being assassins. They chose to be. They’re not stuck in circumstances. A lot of stories that have a similar premise make the characters sympathetic by establishing they have no choice but to stay. John Wick is an example. He caused his problems with his wrath, by the high table also won’t let him go. And I’m not even a big John Wick fan.
They could easily be a poor vigilante like Spider-Man or Daredevil, but they don’t.
Natasha Romanoff is a more sympathetic and understandable depressed character and I thought she was bland.
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Exactly this. I don't know why people love him so much. I know it's not really brought up much, since the MCU isn't big on accountability for people who deserve it, but you'd think the fans would see this.
>, and she murdered a bunch of people who were just doing their jobs as we saw in the beginning of the film.
She also thought that a bunch of prisoners getting burried in an avalanche was really cool.
>hat's a big reason it leaves a bad taste in my mouth letting Valentina walk free at the end.
That whole part just made no sense
this tells me everything i need to know about your (awful) opinion
Assassination if purposely hunting down someone to kill them.
Hulk= giant green rage monster who leveled citys
Thor= egotistical warrior god who slaughtered thousands of frost giants because they ruined his party
Iron Man= arms dealer
This story acts like they’re immediate worthy of sympathy and is a hodgepodge that equals “get friends” and “get group hugs”.
We all know these people's backstory's.
Yelena and Ghost were all unwilling participants in some evil organizations science experiments and were forced into the life of assassins.
The only one thats kinda a dick on their own accord is Walker, and maybe Red Guardian to a degree, but I'm sure didn't have a choice either.
Bucky was literally brainwashed by Hydra, completely operating without will when he was an assassin.
Red Guardian was a soldier in an isolationist country probably indoctrinated through propaganda, he has blame but doesn’t mean he is inherently a terrible person
John Walker and Ghost are indeed a murderer not yet redeemed
Taskmaster literally weaponized by her father and basically a robot more than a person when being an assassin
yes they are
even considering that armies are full of sadistic people would be the same kind of crazy assumption being made here
all of them have to kill for one reason or the other
2 of them were literal child soldiers, one has been essentially tortured her entire life by the circumstance of the experiment performed on her, and the last was led to the path he is on by trying to perform a service to his country and being exploited. It doesn’t excuse their actions, but their path to them was largely beyond their control.
The point was that no matter how you’ve dug yourself in the power to change your circumstance is always on you, taking agency isn’t easy but it *is* necessary and it’s never too late to do so.
What defeats your point is Bob is guilty of just being a meth head. This movie just happened to work. So no, the movie isn’t about forgiving yourself for past crimes. It’s “get friends and get group hugs”.
Bucky is fully deserving of this and he is barely in the movie. He stopped being an assassin the minute he was free.
Look, I get that this sub is full of people that work very hard to ignore the basics of media literacy, but if group hugs was the only thing you got out of thunderbolts then you are already under the floor of understanding the point of the movie. “Oh why didn’t the kid who was forced to murder their friends grow up to be a well adjusted individual able to break out of their cycle of abuse by just saying I quit”, freaking WOOSH man
I get the impression that walker, yelena etc assassinated a lot of people who were not bad but were just targeted by the US govt which does make them bad people. At a point it seems they did have a choice and kept working for Val.
Bucky never had a choice.
He was a hero who did nothing wrong in killing a known and dangerous terrorist who never surrendered in the fight, was an accomplice to other murders and the attempted murder of Walker, before Lemar Hoskins was murdered by the Flagsmasher's leader in cold blood.